cottsciderarmy Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 It's been bugging me, we sacked Johnson because we felt he had taken us as far as he could, He led us to two top ten finishes in the Championship and was still comfortable in mid table when we sacked him. In the Johnson era I think the fans have been at their happiest (last season apart) and he created a bond between him and the fans which made us like a 12th man. His team of work horses (no stars and arguably weaker than the team we have now) punched well above their weight, and he definitely got the best out of players, and was able to put together a team good enough to compete in this league. Did we sack him unfairly ? Thinking we were a Premier League team in waiting ? What I would give for a comfortable mid table Championship side now. He has Cheltenham top of the conference, but he has always had us close to his heart and him and SL are mates, and SL always supported him in the transfer market. I personally feel with Johnson in charge we would not go down and he would get more out of this group of players and certainly wouldn't let them get away with some of the poor performances that they are currently showing. So my question is simple, if GJ rang up SL tomorrow morning and asked to come back and save us, what would you do if you were Lansdown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 If I were Lansdown, I wouldn't even answer the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NATCHER Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Would it be a "Conference Call? " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 I'd answer the phone, be very pleasant but the thought of having him back now wouldn't cross my mind. Although I would ask him to spare ten minutes to regale me with the story of the time Robbored came into his office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambodinho Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 It's not that we thought we were a premiership team in waiting. He simply ran out of ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Like all managers there is 'use by ' date and he was well And truly past his . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Options 1 and 3. He should never have been sacked but it wont work twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 30 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Options 1 and 3. He should never have been sacked but it wont work twice. Anyone know the real reason why Johnson was sacked? Anyone remember that night down in Plymouth? It wasn't simply because his team were struggling.......it was far more serious than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, Robbored said: Anyone know the real reason why Johnson was sacked? Anyone remember that night down in Plymouth? It wasn't simply because his team were struggling.......it was far more serious than that. I bet you had kittens when you saw this thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Needs to be are you having a laugh option. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 32 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Options 1 and 3. He should never have been sacked but it wont work twice. Many good managers are sacked . I think the problem is burn out . They are generally under immense pressure from all angles and eventually this produces bizarre behaviour , strange decision making and a loss of control resulting in the inévitable sack . i actually feel that we kept GJ a little too long . The old days of managers running the club from top to bottom should be consigned to the past .The job has become too much .This is why ,IMHO, we should have stuck to our guns and appointed a first team coach and not let Cotts dictate his job description . Who knows may be we'd be making a better fist of it if Cotts had only the first team to worry about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 I'd have Gary Johnson back down to the gate as a guest when the stadium is finished, but his time as manager is long gone. Our next coach after Cotts has to be young and progressive, just like an Eddie Howe or a Gary Monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 this time in his first promotion season Johnson had us 2nd, or was it 1st? those were the days, what a year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Hasn't this been done many times on here now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Anyone know the real reason why Johnson was sacked? Anyone remember that night down in Plymouth? It wasn't simply because his team were struggling.......it was far more serious than that. No but maybe you could tell us, along with the time he called you into his office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cottsciderarmy Posted January 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 I must admit I'm quite surprised by the response, in my opinion Johnson is the best manager we've had here for a very long time. Like Cotts he came in when we were struggling in League One and sured things up and the following season won promotion. However in my opinion Johnson made shrewd additions to the club and had us competitive in this league twice being in the top ten and when relived of his duties we were 13th ! Now we have a man in charge who bettered Johnson's promotion by winning the league, but everything since has been a disaster, and we look a worse team now than when SOD took us into League One. Maybe I'm blinded vision but when Johnson was in charge even when we went 1-0 down or 2-0 down against anyone in the league there was still a feeling we could and would turn it around. I remember many games going 2 own and coming back and drawing or even winning. Johnson's players never gave up, never shirked a tackle and over the course of his tenure was probably he most enjoyable time I have had as a City fan in my life. When this team go 1-0 down, I just think oh well, another defeat ! Sometimes certain managers and chairman just click and they are a good fix. Johnson was never over ambitious in his signings but he was bloody shrewd and he did not waste Lansdowns money and him and Lansdown remained close, even when he left the club there was no bitterness, Johnson himself wanted to see BCFC in the Premier League and doubted if he was the man for the job and steppe aside to let someone carry on the mantle, instead this club has regressed and regressed rapidly and apart from a glorious season last year, we now look appalling and I fear if we go down this season which is looking more likely, we won't bounce back up in a year or two this time, I fear a long slog of lower league football and more worryingly probably being overtaken by the Rovers. I reckon if Johnson came in now, there would not be a cat in hells chance of us going down even with our current squad, he simply wouldn't let it happen. To me Cotts comes across as he doesn't give a damn and will just blame everyone else and take any responsibility for his own mistakes and short comings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Nope, wouldn't entertain the idea Done a great job at the time, but he hit his City sell by date a long, long time ago I'd be looking at a Justin Edinburgh type, young, ambitious - just the kind of person we need to carry on the great job that SC has started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, cottsciderarmy said: I must admit I'm quite surprised by the response, in my opinion Johnson is the best manager we've had here for a very long time. Like Cotts he came in when we were struggling in League One and sured things up and the following season won promotion. However in my opinion Johnson made shrewd additions to the club and had us competitive in this league twice being in the top ten and when relived of his duties we were 13th ! Now we have a man in charge who bettered Johnson's promotion by winning the league, but everything since has been a disaster, and we look a worse team now than when SOD took us into League One. Maybe I'm blinded vision but when Johnson was in charge even when we went 1-0 down or 2-0 down against anyone in the league there was still a feeling we could and would turn it around. I remember many games going 2 own and coming back and drawing or even winning. Johnson's players never gave up, never shirked a tackle and over the course of his tenure was probably he most enjoyable time I have had as a City fan in my life. When this team go 1-0 down, I just think oh well, another defeat ! Sometimes certain managers and chairman just click and they are a good fix. Johnson was never over ambitious in his signings but he was bloody shrewd and he did not waste Lansdowns money and him and Lansdown remained close, even when he left the club there was no bitterness, Johnson himself wanted to see BCFC in the Premier League and doubted if he was the man for the job and steppe aside to let someone carry on the mantle, instead this club has regressed and regressed rapidly and apart from a glorious season last year, we now look appalling and I fear if we go down this season which is looking more likely, we won't bounce back up in a year or two this time, I fear a long slog of lower league football and more worryingly probably being overtaken by the Rovers. I reckon if Johnson came in now, there would not be a cat in hells chance of us going down even with our current squad, he simply wouldn't let it happen. To me Cotts comes across as he doesn't give a damn and will just blame everyone else and take any responsibility for his own mistakes and short comings. He took Cheltenham down and Yeovil . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 For me the biggest question is cottsciderarmy are you really kachina??!! But no thanks GJ did wonders in his time here but very rarely do things work so well 2nd time round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 13 minutes ago, robin4ever said: He took Cheltenham down and Yeovil . He also took Yeovil to the Championship which in my eyes is better than any achivement he did here. He actually picked them up from the lower parts of L1, saved them and then took them up. Having done it in two stages he pretty much took Yeovil from the Southern Conference to the Championship. I don't think you can attribute too much blame to Cheltenham's relegation, they were in a mess when he got there. He's turned them around pretty well this season. However his time has been and gone and I agree that a return wouldn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 23 minutes ago, cottsciderarmy said: we look a worse team now than when SOD took us into League One. This just isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Never go back. Johnson was the best manager we've had in many years and Cotterill hasn't overtaken him yet. However, Johnson's team was made up of experienced players and was better suited to making the step up than Cotterill's. However, the young players in the current team have more potential than Johnson's because they still have time to improve. Both managers are reasonably pragmatic and focussed on winning to the exclusion of everything else but for whatever reason, be it his own desires or the strategy laid down by the board, Cotterill's recruitment has been largely of young, inexperienced players whereas Johnson was allowed to go for old pros and did so. What Johnson did do well, that Cotterill failed at, was recruitment after promotion. He signed (if I recall correctly) an experienced free transfer forward (Byfield), one of the best forwards in the division below (Trundle), an SPL player (Sproule), an experienced Championship player who'd just been relegated (Elliot) and an experienced mid-range Championship player (McIndoe). All except Trundle had good experience at at least Championship or SPL level but all were realistic signings who would come to a newly-promoted side. For whatever reason, Cotterill and co were unable to find players like these and the only offers we heard about were unrealistically ambitious ones for players at, or headed for, top sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 30 minutes ago, cottsciderarmy said: I must admit I'm quite surprised by the response, in my opinion Johnson is the best manager we've had here for a very long time. Like Cotts he came in when we were struggling in League One and sured things up and the following season won promotion. However in my opinion Johnson made shrewd additions to the club and had us competitive in this league twice being in the top ten and when relived of his duties we were 13th ! Now we have a man in charge who bettered Johnson's promotion by winning the league, but everything since has been a disaster, and we look a worse team now than when SOD took us into League One. Maybe I'm blinded vision but when Johnson was in charge even when we went 1-0 down or 2-0 down against anyone in the league there was still a feeling we could and would turn it around. I remember many games going 2 own and coming back and drawing or even winning. Johnson's players never gave up, never shirked a tackle and over the course of his tenure was probably he most enjoyable time I have had as a City fan in my life. When this team go 1-0 down, I just think oh well, another defeat ! Sometimes certain managers and chairman just click and they are a good fix. Johnson was never over ambitious in his signings but he was bloody shrewd and he did not waste Lansdowns money and him and Lansdown remained close, even when he left the club there was no bitterness, Johnson himself wanted to see BCFC in the Premier League and doubted if he was the man for the job and steppe aside to let someone carry on the mantle, instead this club has regressed and regressed rapidly and apart from a glorious season last year, we now look appalling and I fear if we go down this season which is looking more likely, we won't bounce back up in a year or two this time, I fear a long slog of lower league football and more worryingly probably being overtaken by the Rovers. I reckon if Johnson came in now, there would not be a cat in hells chance of us going down even with our current squad, he simply wouldn't let it happen. To me Cotts comes across as he doesn't give a damn and will just blame everyone else and take any responsibility for his own mistakes and short comings. How much was peter styvar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 No from me, his time here is done and we shouldn't go back. Will always be grateful for all he achieved at City but if rumours regarding him and Sproule at Plymouth are true then SL had no choice. As we stand, IMO, he stands ahead of Cotts in the list of City managers. Still hopeful that Cotts can overtake him though - he might be points behind but he still has games in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 14 minutes ago, Tomarse said: He also took Yeovil to the Championship which in my eyes is better than any achivement he did here. He actually picked them up from the lower parts of L1, saved them and then took them up. Having done it in two stages he pretty much took Yeovil from the Southern Conference to the Championship. I don't think you can attribute too much blame to Cheltenham's relegation, they were in a mess when he got there. He's turned them around pretty well this season. However his time has been and gone and I agree that a return wouldn't work. He also contributed greatly to where Yeovil are at this moment, he's a manager who does things in the short term but has no long term objective. It can look good on his cv, but the manager/managers who follow him always find it hard to pick up the pieces with how he has left a club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolBEAT Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Johnson spent horrendous amounts of money on very average players in an average Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 48 minutes ago, cottsciderarmy said: I must admit I'm quite surprised by the response, in my opinion Johnson is the best manager we've had here for a very long time. Like Cotts he came in when we were struggling in League One and sured things up and the following season won promotion. However in my opinion Johnson made shrewd additions to the club and had us competitive in this league twice being in the top ten and when relived of his duties we were 13th ! Now we have a man in charge who bettered Johnson's promotion by winning the league, but everything since has been a disaster, and we look a worse team now than when SOD took us into League One. Maybe I'm blinded vision but when Johnson was in charge even when we went 1-0 down or 2-0 down against anyone in the league there was still a feeling we could and would turn it around. I remember many games going 2 own and coming back and drawing or even winning. Johnson's players never gave up, never shirked a tackle and over the course of his tenure was probably he most enjoyable time I have had as a City fan in my life. When this team go 1-0 down, I just think oh well, another defeat ! Sometimes certain managers and chairman just click and they are a good fix. Johnson was never over ambitious in his signings but he was bloody shrewd and he did not waste Lansdowns money and him and Lansdown remained close, even when he left the club there was no bitterness, Johnson himself wanted to see BCFC in the Premier League and doubted if he was the man for the job and steppe aside to let someone carry on the mantle, instead this club has regressed and regressed rapidly and apart from a glorious season last year, we now look appalling and I fear if we go down this season which is looking more likely, we won't bounce back up in a year or two this time, I fear a long slog of lower league football and more worryingly probably being overtaken by the Rovers. I reckon if Johnson came in now, there would not be a cat in hells chance of us going down even with our current squad, he simply wouldn't let it happen. To me Cotts comes across as he doesn't give a damn and will just blame everyone else and take any responsibility for his own mistakes and short comings. I think your memories are a bit selective, I also remember us letting 6 in at home to Cardiff and 5 at home to Doncaster when we were taken apart by a young JET. The early seasons were great but the players had lost confidence in him towards the end and it showed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cottsciderarmy Posted January 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, BristolBEAT said: Johnson spent horrendous amounts of money on very average players in an average Championship. What I would give to see one average Championship player at present ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 I was wondering how long it would take for someone to mention his name… We talk about the club repeating the same mistakes. His tenure might have been successful up to a point but if we are going to replace the manager we need someone to push onwards and upwards, not continuously selecting from the same lower division pool of management*. *I know SC has come from the lower league of management but he was recruited when we were in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Don't get me wrong, I love GJ and will always have fond memories of his time here BUT he wasted a lot of money and its that which has probably lead to our current reluctance to splash out on wages. Also, managers effectively resign what they punch their players in the dressing room! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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