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In the official statement, Keith Dawe appears to claim on behalf of "the organisation" share of the credit for Cotterill's success over 18 months, but does not seem to acknowledge any blame for the failure of the past 5 months.

“Steve did keep us in the division and went on, in conjunction with the rest of the organisation, to deliver a League One championship and Johnstone’s Paint Trophy. That season will live in the memory for a long time.

“Sadly, since the highs of last March and May things have not gone our way on the pitch and Steve has now left the club.”


So, your board of directors of Bristol City Football Club, the "organisation":

Keith Dawe

Doug Hardman

Ernie Aarathoon

Jon Lansdown

Should they go with Cotterill?

 

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5 minutes ago, phantom said:

Keith Dawe didn't write the statement though

It's presented in the club statement as a quote from him….and whilst I know, having written and been quoted in such things, that he may not have actually said the words, they're nonetheless attributed to him.

 

(as Nick says above!)

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We don't know enough to know the ins and outs of what's happened.  Anyone who wants to start a lynch mob based on rumour, speculation, fragments snippets from inside the club that lack the full picture and reading between the lines of press releases is a fool rushing blindly into things they know nothing about and gets zero sympathy or agreement from me.

Certainly I think last season the manager and board worked brilliantly together to get the players we need in and getting them playing well.  This season it hasn't worked.  And we don't know the reasons for that or where blame lies.  So it'd be stupid to answer one way or the other. 

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Who exactly is going to do this sacking?  For what it's worth Cotts was employed to produce the business on the pitch and this season has failed.  Does it have to be any more complicated than that?

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1 minute ago, Eugene Victor Tooms said:

Who exactly is going to do this sacking?  For what it's worth Cotts was employed to produce the business on the pitch and this season has failed.  Does it have to be any more complicated than that?

Not if you think the 4 directors are appropriately qualified to run our football club.

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My view Nick, for what it's worth, is that our pitifully thin Board of Directors will be going nowhere because they serve the purpose of our majority shareholder very well…they do what he wants them to do. 

Merely listing their names highlights how slim the experience at the top of the club is.

 

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Statement will have been written by the club or bristol sport communications officer, who definitely could have done a better job. 

Ultimately if we oust the board, who would come in? Andrew Billingham? Gareth Chilcott? Scott Davidson? John Cleese?!?!

I have no idea what other local businessmen or women would want anything to do with running this shambles.

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15 minutes ago, NickJ said:

In the official statement, Keith Dawe appears to claim on behalf of "the organisation" share of the credit for Cotterill's success over 18 months, but does not seem to acknowledge any blame for the failure of the past 5 months.

“Steve did keep us in the division and went on, in conjunction with the rest of the organisation, to deliver a League One championship and Johnstone’s Paint Trophy. That season will live in the memory for a long time.

“Sadly, since the highs of last March and May things have not gone our way on the pitch and Steve has now left the club.”


So, your board of directors of Bristol City Football Club, the "organisation":

Keith Dawe

Doug Hardman

Ernie Aarathoon

Jon Lansdown

Should they go with Cotterill?

 

Lansdown and Dawe should go. I don't see that they have done anything for our club. We will never know if Cotts had the support of signing the papers or if the signing approvals above him refused to approve. Either way there is a total mistrust in the actions of the Board. We need fresh faces who can run business and WHO KNOWS FOOTBALL.

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2 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:

"Direct experience" in football in what area?

Someone like Francis Lee at Man City one presumes.  Club legend who became chairman.  No-one could dispute his football knowledge or experience.  That worked well as I recall.  Admittedly he'd left by the time they went to Wembley and won the League One play-off final but he got them into a position where they were ready to do so.  A football man like that would solve all our problems. 

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2 minutes ago, ontariored said:

Lansdown and Dawe should go. I don't see that they have done anything for our club. We will never know if Cotts had the support of signing the papers or if the signing approvals above him refused to approve. Either way there is a total mistrust in the actions of the Board. We need fresh faces who can run business and WHO KNOWS FOOTBALL.

Appointed SC and provided him with the funds and budget to win the double last year...... Overseeing the stadium development.......yea, nothing!

And your right, we will never know the facts behind the transfer dealings.....doesn't stop the likes of you making your own mind up and slag off the board

 

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4 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:

So someone who's played the game? Or just someone who's been involved in a different club?

4 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:

Either.

There's a bloke living in BS8 who has played for his country, in Serie A and for Man U.

He has then managed at our current level and in Scotland, coached at a higher level and has connections throughout the game and commands respect both here and in Italy.

He knows more about football than our board ever will, so having him as an adviser seems to me so obvious a move that the only reason we haven't done it is because we're run by a cosy club of mediocrities.

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48 minutes ago, NickJ said:

In the official statement, Keith Dawe appears to claim on behalf of "the organisation" share of the credit for Cotterill's success over 18 months, but does not seem to acknowledge any blame for the failure of the past 5 months.

“Steve did keep us in the division and went on, in conjunction with the rest of the organisation, to deliver a League One championship and Johnstone’s Paint Trophy. That season will live in the memory for a long time.

“Sadly, since the highs of last March and May things have not gone our way on the pitch and Steve has now left the club.”


So, your board of directors of Bristol City Football Club, the "organisation":

Keith Dawe

Doug Hardman

Ernie Aarathoon

Jon Lansdown

Should they go with Cotterill?

 

So how would you go about 'sacking the Board' ?

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1 hour ago, 'keepuplino' said:

OK then I've gone with One or more directors should be sacked but not all...

The directors have to take some of the blame for this seasons shambles!!

 

We`re the same...............................ish

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I don't believe we have the information to make an informed decision on this. There seems to be 2 different takes on the summer transfer window:

1. Cotts targets were over ambitious and never likely to sign for us. We wasted time pursuing them instead of doing what SL wanted which was considering the best of the rest from league 1. So Cotts mainly to blame.

2. Cotts identified 4 players (including McGuire but not Gayle or Gray) with championship experience he wanted and got verbal deals sorted. He went on holiday and 'the board' tried to negotiate down those verbal deals and all fell through. Only then did we switch to Gayle and Gray. So the board mainly to blame.

If it was option 2 then maybe Pelling's departure was the result already.

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8 minutes ago, Woodsy said:

Jesus, I think @NickJ has been clear. You obviously don't agree, but I'm sure you can work out what he's trying to say

I never said I don't agree and I'm not sure I can work it out if I'm honest. Just seems to say he wants "football people" involved. But I don't know if that means Gazza or Richard Scudamore.

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3 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:

I never said I don't agree and I'm not sure I can work it out if I'm honest. Just seems to say he wants "football people" involved. But I don't know if that means Gazza or Richard Scudamore.

Cool - apologies!

Christ, neither of those, although Scudamore is a City fan....

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Feel the third option is using loaded wording to avoid people voting for it. IF the story about trying to renegotiate summer transfers is true then by the sounds of it Pelling paid the price for it and members of the current board shouldn't be sacked if the person responsible has been highlighted. 

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Yes lets sack the board, that should make it easier to get a new quality manager in quickly 

The fact we don't know who was at fault, well so what sack em any way.

That John Lansdown bloke, let sack him, after all it will save him taking over as chairman in the future and carrying on SL's legacy, on him why not get him to sling his hook and the millions of pounds investment, after all who needs a new ground and stability.

I did not want SC sacked, but it seems his failure to be able to get fresh quality players in this transfer window, even given the backing to do so created a situation that needed drastic action.

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Very few directors of football clubs have experience in the sport before they take their posts. That is as true in big clubs as it is here. I'm not against the idea of having a senior player from the past, like Jordan, as a non-exec to give them a bit of practical advice, but does anyone think that Steve Lansdown is going to sack his son and his mates who he appointed to the job??

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40 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

So how would you go about 'sacking the Board' ?

The process is that a shareholders meeting is held and the shareholders vote.

The question being asked is "should they be sacked", not "are we in a position to sack them".

6 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:

I never said I don't agree and I'm not sure I can work it out if I'm honest. Just seems to say he wants "football people" involved. But I don't know if that means Gazza or Richard Scudamore.

The backgrounds of the current board are, I think, in order of as stated in the opening post, IT & recruitment, administration, property, and nothing in particular.

Replacing at least one with the considered appointment of somebody with direct football experience and contacts is more likely to be an improvement than not, I would say.

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8 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Very few directors of football clubs have experience in the sport before they take their posts. That is as true in big clubs as it is here. I'm not against the idea of having a senior player from the past, like Jordan, as a non-exec to give them a bit of practical advice, but does anyone think that Steve Lansdown is going to sack his son and his mates who he appointed to the job??

Indeed.  I'd be massively in favour of Joe Jordan having some sort of role at the club but fundamentally I'd rather we had a board who knew something about running  a football club as a business rather than a footballing figurehead with no business background.  Not to say our board don't make mistakes but I don't think appointing famous footballers is necessarily a recipe for running a club well.  Businessmen who are fans of the club is the best model to me.  And I would say that, for all that's gone wrong this season, I'd take Steve Lansdown over 90% of the owners in British football and I'd suggest anyone who wants Lansdown out looks at other clubs like Blackpool or Villa or indeed remembers this Aesop's fable...

 

http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?sel&TheFrogsDesiringaKing

 

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I've voted to a board member going, however this has already happened with Pelling being the first to be sacrificed, followed by Cotts.

Need to move on straight away though - the last thing this club needs right now is division in the fan base.  Eternally grateful for what he managed to do over the last eighteen months, but sadly sacking the manager is, has and always will be part and parcel of the game.  We're Bristol City fans, not Steve Cotterill or Keith Dawe fans.  We were here before them and will be here after.  It's not like SarahB where we'll ditch the club as soon as SC gets another job!

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10 minutes ago, NickJ said:

The process is that a shareholders meeting is held and the shareholders vote.

The question being asked is "should they be sacked", not "are we in a position to sack them".

The backgrounds of the current board are, I think, in order of as stated in the opening post, IT & recruitment, administration, property, and nothing in particular.

Replacing at least one with the considered appointment of somebody with direct football experience and contacts is more likely to be an improvement than not, I would say.

Replacing Jon Lansdown with Joe Jordan would be a massive step forward for this club.

Unfortunately, it would involve the nepotism that is rife throughout this club (as in, it is systemic) being abolished.

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The directors are responsible for the day to day and long term management of the club. This excludes the day to day football activities as they are the responsibility of the manager. We don't know how well the directors have been in managing the non football activities. All we have visibility of is the football side - i e the results. Whether or not money is availability for new players is decided by Steve Lansdown and he has said that money was available in the summer for players Cotts wanted to sign. 

As the directors didn't try to pick the team and Steve Lansdown made money available then, IMO, the blame lies with Cotts. The fact that the directors don't make many, if any, public statements is irrelevant. Steve Lansdown makes regular statements to the press about the financial aspects and Cotts made regular, increasingly bad tempered, statements about the team. 

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Just now, pongo88 said:

The directors are responsible for the day to day and long term management of the club. This excludes the day to day football activities as they are the responsibility of the manager. We don't know how well the directors have been in managing the non football activities. All we have visibility of is the football side - i e the results. Whether or not money is availability for new players is decided by Steve Lansdown and he has said that money was available in the summer for players Cotts wanted to sign. 

As the directors didn't try to pick the team and Steve Lansdown made money available then, IMO, the blame lies with Cotts. The fact that the directors don't make many, if any, public statements is irrelevant. Steve Lansdown makes regular statements to the press about the financial aspects and Cotts made regular, increasingly bad tempered, statements about the team. 

 

Correct. Let’s look at it another way, have the board and football management teams met they're objectives over the past two seasons.....

2014/2015

Board of Directors 

  • Employ/maintain a football management structure that is capable of bringing success to the club........box ticked
  • Provide funds and a wage structure to enable the management to purchase the best players possible and produce a capable squad.....box ticked
  • Continue to run the club's business interests to ensure suitable training, player development, stadium and corporate facilities are available......box ticked
  • Continue to run the clubs finances to ensure the club remains in business, is financially viable and sustainable........box ticked

Football Management

  • Source the best players within the budget available to produce a squad of players capable of competing in the division.........box ticked
  • Train the squad in all aspects of the game including inspiring, motivating, protecting, mentoring and developing the squad of players.......box ticked
  • Ensure the football management/coaching staff produce tactics, formations, game plans to compete in the division .......box ticked
  • Win games......box ticked  

 

Yay…….everyone’s happy!

 

2015/2016

Board of Directors 

  • Employ/maintain a football management structure that is capable of bringing success to the club........failed (however, they have now acted on that)
  • Provide funds and a wage structure to enable the management to purchase the best players possible and produce a capable squad......box ticked (if you believe the board)
  • Continue to run the club's business interests to ensure suitable training, player development, stadium and corporate facilities are available......box ticked
  • Continue to run the clubs finances to ensure the club remains in business, is financially viable and sustainable........box ticked

Football Management

  • Source the best players within the budget available to produce a squad of players capable of competing in the division.........failed
  • Train the squad in all aspects of the game including inspiring, motivating, protecting, mentoring and developing the squad of players.......box ticked (however, as much as the squad played for SC, it wasn't working)
  • Ensure the football management/coaching staff produce tactics, formations, game plans to compete in the division .......failed
  • Win games......failed

Booo……something has to give, who failed in their objectives?

 

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6 minutes ago, Southstandoriginal said:

True. But as SL owns over 50% of the shares, any such decisions are entirely down to him.

Correct....So all his lttle brown nosers are safe,none are accountable for all the lashups we have seen in the last 7 months,bring on the next fall guy.

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

The statement released last night was written by Lisa Knights !

Who is Lisa Knights anyway. I see her name mentioned more and more, isn't she the woman who stands infront of the redevelopment and tells us about it in videos. Before this season and maybe part of the last I've never heard of her.

Don't tell me, she used to be the tea lady and is on a similar career path to the bloke who used to cut the grass.

edit; sorry I see you answered this before, I missed it

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5 minutes ago, RedM said:

Who is Lisa Knights anyway. I see her name mentioned more and more, isn't she the woman who stands infront of the redevelopment and tells us about it in videos. Before this season and maybe part of the last I've never heard of her.

Don't tell me, she used to be the tea lady and is on a similar career path to the bloke who used to cut the grass.

TV & radio presenter - was with Sky.

The media team seem to have been very quiet this season compared to last.

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13 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Correct....So all his lttle brown nosers are safe,none are accountable for all the lashups we have seen in the last 7 months,bring on the next fall guy.

Whatever may or may not have happened over the summer transfer window, Pelling was booted out. Whether that was directly to do with transfers nobody knows.

The following 7 months "lashups" (?) and our current predicament can only be placed at the door of SC......

Or do you want to blame the board for team selection, tactics, formations, lack of substitutions, lack of use of loan signings, lack of wins

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How come the "organization" take the plaudits for last season's successes, but when it all goes pear shaped its **** all to do with them?

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44 minutes ago, St Aldhelms Red said:

How come the "organization" take the plaudits for last season's successes, but when it all goes pear shaped its **** all to do with them?

What an odd thing to say! 

Where has the organisation taken the plaudits? They were part of the success but ultimately SC and the players took the plaudits?

Where are the organisation now when "it all goes pear shaped"? Quite rightly making the decision to remove the mananger who has failed this season

 

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What does Doug Harman do? I have only ever had one dealing with him which was prior to the Hull play off final. I stated to him that I was having difficulties getting a ticket for the game where I wanted to sit and that I was almost in tears, "yes it's great isn't it" he replied. He'd completely missed my point and hurried away having dealt with another customer. Now, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he'd misunderstood me, having said that, he's been there a long time and witnessed lots of abject failures during that time, while progressing upwards within the club personally. I don't mean this as a slur, I'm just curious as to whether he does a good job for the club.

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9 minutes ago, Rich said:

What does Doug Harman do? I have only ever had one dealing with him which was prior to the Hull play off final. I stated to him that I was having difficulties getting a ticket for the game where I wanted to sit and that I was almost in tears, "yes it's great isn't it" he replied. He'd completely missed my point and hurried away having dealt with another customer. Now, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he'd misunderstood me, having said that, he's been there a long time and witnessed lots of abject failures during that time, while progressing upwards within the club personally. I don't mean this as a slur, I'm just curious as to whether he does a good job for the club.

Well he cracked me up with that line. I like him already.

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4 minutes ago, NickJ said:

So it's

22

63

15

85% think at least one on the board should be sacked.

That settles it. If 85% of the forum thinks the board should be sacked, they must be doing a good job. 

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1 hour ago, RedRaw said:

What an odd thing to say! 

Where has the organisation taken the plaudits? They were part of the success but ultimately SC and the players took the plaudits?

Where are the organisation now when "it all goes pear shaped"? Quite rightly making the decision to remove the mananger who has failed this season

 

Should have said " in conjunction with" in their words. If they were part of the success last year, why aren't they part of the failure now?

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4 hours ago, RedRaw said:

Appointed SC and provided him with the funds and budget to win the double last year...... Overseeing the stadium development.......yea, nothing!

And your right, we will never know the facts behind the transfer dealings.....doesn't stop the likes of you making your own mind up and slag off the board

 

You got it right. Absolutely nothing.....

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46 minutes ago, St Aldhelms Red said:

Should have said " in conjunction with" in their words. If they were part of the success last year, why aren't they part of the failure now?

They are part of the failure but what else do you expect them to do.....fire themselves? Walk away?

Not really sure that will help the situation 

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Get rid of Keith Dawe for starters.

faceless weasel chairman whose only seen if there is a trophy to be lifted when the big decisions are made he's not seen

Utter parasite who is simply head of the many yes men working for Lansdown, 

Surely there can be little down that Peter Hargreaves was the brains behind thier business because the longer he owns the club the bigger mug Lansdown appears to be....the only bigger mug is his egotistical bully boy silver spoon cock of a son

God Help the future of this club.

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It must have took some planning by the board to sack our manager in the middle of a transfer window, as the first day is now wasted as there was no replacement lined up, or he would be here by now.

As every minute/hour day passes so does OUR  hopes of survival; COMPLETE MADNESS AND COMPLETLY CRAZY even by our boards standard f.f.s get it sorted out TONIGHT :grr:

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9 minutes ago, Bowie said:

Get rid of Keith Dawe for starters.

faceless weasel chairman whose only seen if there is a trophy to be lifted when the big decisions are made he's not seen

Utter parasite who is simply head of the many yes men working for Lansdown, 

Surely there can be little down that Peter Hargreaves was the brains behind thier business because the longer he owns the club the bigger mug Lansdown appears to be....the only bigger mug is his egotistical bully boy silver spoon cock of a son

God Help the future of this club.

what a thousandth post! Congrats on reaching that milestone.

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Yes sack the board,who will replace them,someone like Tan at Cardiff no thanks,unless someone has a few million they will never see again,let's stick with the board we have now

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Steve Cotterill was undoubtedly treated badly and obviously did not see what was coming.  His last interview was screened in the afternoon yesterday when he was fairly pumped up - and his departure was announced also yesterday afternoon not long after.  I noticed that the 'relieved of his duties' article on the website which first appeared approx 4pm YESTERDAY was the retimed then to this morning which I am sure was a deliberate re-post for historical 'timing' posterity.

The poor  and 'loaded' tribute by the faceless chairman "Steve did keep us in the division and went on, in conjunction with the rest of the organisation, to deliver a League One championship and Johnstone's Paint Trophy. That season will live in the memory for a long time."

In short this mysterious chairman should be ejected as unprofessional, uncommunicative, and downright shifty.



 

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I have it on good authority that the board have fallen out with the new South Stand and will be knocking it down at the end of the season and replacing it with Neil Warnock. Warnock will be expected to hold 5000 supporters although the club will not sanction any attempts by the irritable Yorkshireman to purchase 'a few folding chairs' although on his behalf it will attempt to procure sections of Wembley or the entire Southern end of the Maracana at random points in 2016, just to keep OTIB busy.

In a carefully worded statement Keith Dawe has thanked the South Stand for its contribution to seating supporters but acknowledged the wider role of the "organisation" (mainly the board) in ensuring 4000 cubic feet of cement and metal remain upright and comfortably seated. Individual chunks of re-aggregated concrete from the stand will learn of its' fate in five years time as they're being laid under a new motorway resurfacing project. The news will be conveyed to the South Stand  by a snapchat from Steve Lansdown consisting of one word, two emoticons and a short video of a bulldozer. 

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3 hours ago, RedRaw said:

They are part of the failure but what else do you expect them to do.....fire themselves? Walk away?

Not really sure that will help the situation 

Obviously not, but an admission of their part in it wouldn't go amiss. We heard quite a lot from them last year when all was well, their silence has been deafening this season. Wether Cotterell should have gone is open to debate, but I think he was hung out to dry by the board.

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