SL to take charge of search for manager

[Major Isewater]

18 minutes ago, oldstandrobin said:

DoAnd majority shareholder Lansdown, recently returned from a holiday in Namibia, is now ready to involve himself fully in the process of identifying and appointing City's next manager.

 The term Rome burns springs to mind

Do you think Mr Lansdown has been fiddling ? 

[chipdawg]

3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

and that's worked a treat since May.

Didn't say it was working, just that not every action has to be turned into a Hollyoaks-esque melodrama

[Frenchay Red]

4 minutes ago, oldstandrobin said:

No I thought it was Eastville Burns

Hope @djb6162 appreciates our humour!

[pongo88]

With non-football jobs, the recruitment process takes a long time. The job has to be advertised and then there is a wait for applications to arrive. The applicants will be unknown, unless they are internal, so sorting through CVs may be difficult. Then a date has to be arranged for interviews, and the successful applicant has to submit his / her notice to their current employer. This process will take weeks / months from start to finish.

Football is entirely different.  City didn't need to advertise the vacancy as the applications would have arrived the following day. Apart from oddballs, the applicants would have been known managers / coaches, so producing a short list would be easy. Mark Ashton should also have had an input in suggesting other managers, who didn't apply, but who could be interested. There aren't many of them. A very short process to get to the interview stage, but if the Post story is true, nobody has yet been interviewed. 

What can be read into the story?

a) The club is shambolic as little progress has been made and time is of the essence.  

b) Somebody was approached but he turned City down, so City are now looking at second choices.

c) The real aim is to give Pemberton time to get some good results, so that he can be given the job.

Whatever is happening, it's bound to have an impact on signings.  Pemberton has made two loan signing, which is relatively easy, as the players are only committed to the club till the end of the season. With any player who City want to sign permanently it's bound to be more difficult. It's a risk coming to City as the club might be in league 1 next season, but there is now an additional risk that a new manager might not see you featuring in his plans.

[Red-Robbo]

30 minutes ago, Dave said:

When Mr Ashton, explained his role in appointing a new manager, he said it was to sift through the options, and make his recommendation. 

That would imply that we are nearing the end game, however Mr Stockhausen has stated that it was unlikely that an appointment would be made before Saturday's game.

Once again, the Club does not communicate with its supporters on progress, the silence leaves a vacuum for a journalist to inform or misinform Bristol City supporters.

I have said before that I do not expect an announcement of every twist and turn, but it is now over a week since the last statement, and on official information from our Communications Dept, we still have a list with some surprising names on it.

We don't really have a list at all, Dave.

Unless the bookies and/or Stockhausen have hacked the club's phones we will not know who has applied, whose been rejected, who if any may have already been approached extraneous to those on the list and who if any may be mulling the move.

Like the club appointing a manager, my business recruits from a small field of specialists and there is competition for the best people.  That's why when I am taking on new key staff, I keep any negotiations under my hat until the ink has dried on the contract. 

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4 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

With non-football jobs, the recruitment process takes a long time. The job has to be advertised and then there is a wait for applications to arrive. The applicants will be unknown, unless they are internal, so sorting through CVs may be difficult. Then a date has to be arranged for interviews, and the successful applicant has to submit his / her notice to their current employer. This process will take weeks / months from start to finish.

Football is entirely different.  City didn't need to advertise the vacancy as the applications would have arrived the following day. Apart from oddballs, the applicants would have been known managers / coaches, so producing a short list would be easy. Mark Ashton should also have had an input in suggesting other managers, who didn't apply, but who could be interested. There aren't many of them. A very short process to get to the interview stage, but if the Post story is true, nobody has yet been interviewed. 

What can be read into the story?

a) The club is shambolic as little progress has been made and time is of the essence.  

b) Somebody was approached but he turned City down, so City are now looking at second choices.

c) The real aim is to give Pemberton time to get some good results, so that he can be given the job.

Whatever is happening, it's bound to have an impact on signings.  Pemberton has made two loan signing, which is relatively easy, as the players are only committed to the club till the end of the season. With any player who City want to sign permanently it's bound to be more difficult. It's a risk coming to City as the club might be in league 1 next season, but there is now an additional risk that a new manager might not see you featuring in his plans.

Great explanation: 'thank you pongo88'.

 

Uncle TFR

[Honiton Tony]

Can people please stop putting END OF , PERIOD , SIMPLES , FULL STOP at the end of there posts because as soon as you do you have lost the argument !

[Major Isewater]

2 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

We don't really have a list at all, Dave.

Unless the bookies and/or Stockhausen have hacked the club's phones we will not know who has applied, whose been rejected, who if any may have already been approached extraneous to those on the list and who if any may be mulling the move.

Like the club appointing a manager, my business recruits from a small field of specialists and there is competition for the best people.  That's why when I am taking on new key staff, I keep any negotiations under my hat until the ink has dried on the contract. 

Surely Lee Johnson would be on any short list ?

[SuperFly2002]

I was disappointed when Cotts was sacked, and I still don't whole heartedly agree with the board. But as time goes on, I'm starting to feel that it was perhaps for the best, after all, this is a results based business and you only as good as your last few matches.

But............... yet again, the board have been exposed for making knee jerk decisions. When will they ever learn ?

Why did they not drag Cotts in for a talking to and tell him that he needed to play the youngsters from the academy and try different formations. If they were going to sack him anyway, wheat difference would it have made?

I remember going back to the first away game of last season (Sheffield Utd) when Cotts had a melt down about the purple and lime kit being chosen, Bristol Sport had to send someone to the training ground to tell Cotts, that this was the clubs away kit for the season and the players WERE wearing it. Cotts backed down and then claimed that it was his decision to play in the chosen kit when we won in such style.Cotts was like a petulant child, but if you call him out, he would back down.

 

Why couldn't they just do that again?

Why didn't the club choose to let Mark Ashton and Keith Burt work with Cotts to identify and broker the deals for incoming players instead of leaving us basically rudderless in the transfer window looking as attractive as a dose of the clap?

I just don't get it . . . . why sack someone with no plan b in place, sorry but that's really shitty planning (or lack of as usual)

 

Sorry for the rant, but this is just yet another example of the board mismanaging the club. Yes, I get the fact that SL is the current owner, and in effect, it is his train set so he can do with it what he wants and yes I get the fact that he has bailed the club out massively, but the only reason it needed bailing out in the first place was the bad decisions made by the board in the first instance.

Everyone is banging on about how great it is that SL has built this amazing new stadia for us, but they're blinkered to say the least, he hasn't funded it, the club has taken a mortgage out to pay for it, I understand that SL has stood as guarantor, but its certainly not been funded out of his arse pocket.

 

This may seem like a long rambling attack on SL, its not trust me.

Steve Lansdown is a great bloke I'm sure, but some of the decisions from both him and the board (Keith Daw etc) have been very questionable to say the least . .

 

Thoughts ? 

[southvillekiddy]

21 minutes ago, chipdawg said:

Or, the owner of the club employs others to run his business and he trusts them enough that he doesn't feel the need to constantly interfere in them doing the jobs they are employed to do and so only gets involved when a significant decision has to be made and at that time will take on the reasoned advice of those trusted employees

I really hope that is true mate but past experience leads me to believe that the sham we call a "Board" at our Club do what our owner wants.

Ashton was puffing himself up telling us we would be surprised at who has applied, unless SL appoints the very best this time BCFC will lose a lot of us.

If he is serious he will offer Pearson the deal that will ensure he comes to us. Pearson is primed. Does SL have the guts and sense this time to appoint someone with true Premiership pedigree and leave him to get on with it? Truly hope so, or all that parading around on the pitch at Ashton gate will be seen as a someone in a football fantasy world.

[Will Rollason]

4 minutes ago, Honiton Tony said:

Can people please stop putting END OF , PERIOD , SIMPLES , FULL STOP at the end of there posts because as soon as you do you have lost the argument ! FACT

Fixed that for you..

[Jack Dawe]

4 minutes ago, Honiton Tony said:

Can people please stop putting END OF , PERIOD , SIMPLES , FULL STOP at the end of there posts because as soon as you do you have lost the argument !

I'm okay with a full stop at the end but otherwise, very much in agreement.

[Major Isewater]

The article in the Post hints that we are going for a young progressive ( cheap ! ) coach .

Someone along the lines of Tisdale , Darryl Clarke or Steve Clarke . 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

22 minutes ago, chipdawg said:

Didn't say it was working, just that not every action has to be turned into a Hollyoaks-esque melodrama

Your correct even the great literary genius's that write Hollyoaks couldn't have written the BCFC script of the past 8 months.

For what it's worth not my first choice but Warnock till the end of the season would be a good compromise, at least we'll either stay up or go down fighting.

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2 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Your correct even the great literary genius's that write Hollyoaks couldn't have written the BCFC script of the past 8 months.

For what it's worth not my first choice but Warnock till the end of the season would be a good compromise, at least we'll either stay up or go down fighting.

****-off.

BS3 is a Warnock free zone.

 

Uncle TFR

[southvillekiddy]

2 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

BRISTOL CITY: Steve Lansdown assumes leading role in search for next manager at Ashton Gate | Bristol Post

So obviously we are no further forward than we were when Cotts was relieved of his duties. 

What a shambles. 

Why don't City just get Stockhausen to print a headline saying "BRISTOL CITY ADMIT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO RUN A FOOTBALL CLUB"

because by handing that story to the Local Press that is what they are announcing to any potential Premiership quality manager.

[Nogbad the Bad]

10 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

The article in the Post hints that we are going for a young progressive ( cheap ! ) coach .

Someone along the lines of Tisdale , Darryl Clarke or Steve Clarke . 

We already had our young, progressive manager, 'young' Steve Clarke is older than Cotterill.

[chipdawg]

10 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said:

I really hope that is true mate but past experience leads me to believe that the sham we call a "Board" at our Club do what our owner wants.

Ashton was puffing himself up telling us we would be surprised at who has applied, unless SL appoints the very best this time BCFC will lose a lot of us.

If he is serious he will offer Pearson the deal that will ensure he comes to us. Pearson is primed. Does SL have the guts and sense this time to appoint someone with true Premiership pedigree and leave him to get on with it? Truly hope so, or all that parading around on the pitch at Ashton gate will be seen as a someone in a football fantasy world.

Don't disagree with that (other than the 'lose us' remark; we've put up with worse shit that an uninspiring management appointment over the years), but what I object to are the fantasies over what may or may not happen, constantly spewed forth like a rejected script for 'The Dream Team' or some other such crap. The list of over 30 applications we had with 'some suprising candidates' to paraphrase Ashton need not really concern the billionaire Steve Lansdown. The shortlist of 5 or 6 recommended by the people he employs to run his football club, will do. If he ***** up the appointment from here, that's a different matter

There are also a lot of assumptions about who is in the running. Pearson may well have been rejected as too expensive. Or he might have ruled himself out for personal reasons. So we may end up with Wade and Pembo because of a poor decision or because the big players on the shortlist weren't viable. Unless Mystic Meg is a City fan, we'll have no idea and I suspect we'll not find out even after the appointment is made

Personally I think the delay is because there are some strong candidates in the running- in the past appointments have happened relatively quickly and I think that's because there weren't too many serious candidates knocking about. I also suspect that the delay is caused as much over wrangling with the T&C those strong candidates want, than deciding which one. We may well end up with Pembo and Wade, but if I'm honest I'm more comfortable with that than with taking a punt on a lower league hopeful at this stage

[Ashtonwurzel]

Still think Gary Monk is their first choice.

[Drew Peacock]

25 minutes ago, Honiton Tony said:

Can people please stop putting END OF , PERIOD , SIMPLES , FULL STOP at the end of there posts because as soon as you do you have lost the argument !

If you are going to criticise people's sentence construction, make sure your spelling is correct.  It undermines your argument otherwise.

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

2 hours ago, havanatopia said:

Bit of a non story cobbled together with a bunch of already known facts, assumptions and opinions.

I yearn for decent proper investigative journalism rather than this constant numbskullish drivel any fan can pull together.

And yet you still read OTIB?

Our new strike force is Pot,Kettle and Black.

[downendcity]

2 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Shouldn't take him too long tbf

Pearson ...hmmmm.... Or ... Hmmm .... Moyes... Pearson...Moyes....Pearson...Moyes....or Jose....hmmmmm.....Spudski hmmmm...Tetbury Hmmmmm......Cynic hmmmm........ Major Isewater hmmmm......... Robbored hmmmm....Aizoon hmmmm.... Horace - that's the man! 

List bought fully up to date.

[chipdawg]

4 minutes ago, downendcity said:

List bought fully up to date.

Personally, I'd rather have the stuffed hedgehog that Aizoon talks to in charge than Neil Warnock...

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

I want Warnock to get the job, if only to piss off yon taxi fella.

[ontariored]

This sums up the problem we are in. SL has the cash but has proven not to have much technical football knowledge. We have a vast board and Management team at Ashton Gate and have employed a COO last week to get us back to winning ways. So, in steps the primary owner to appoint the new manager. Says it all, doesn't it.....

[southvillekiddy]

2 minutes ago, chipdawg said:

Don't disagree with that (other than the 'lose us' remark; we've put up with worse shit that an uninspiring management appointment over the years), but what I object to are the fantasies over what may or may not happen, constantly spewed forth like a rejected script for 'The Dream Team' or some other such crap. The list of over 30 applications we had with 'some suprising candidates' to paraphrase Ashton need not really concern the billionaire Steve Lansdown. The shortlist of 5 or 6 recommended by the people he employs to run his football club, will do. If he ***** up the appointment from here, that's a different matter

There are also a lot of assumptions about who is in the running. Pearson may well have been rejected as too expensive. Or he might have ruled himself out for personal reasons. So we may end up with Wade and Pembo because of a poor decision or because the big players on the shortlist weren't viable. Unless Mystic Meg is a City fan, we'll have no idea and I suspect we'll not find out even after the appointment is made

Personally I think the delay is because there are some strong candidates in the running- in the past appointments have happened relatively quickly and I think that's because there weren't too many serious candidates knocking about. I also suspect that the delay is caused as much over wrangling with the T&C those strong candidates want, than deciding which one. We may well end up with Pembo and Wade, but if I'm honest I'm more comfortable with that than with taking a punt on a lower league hopeful at this stage

Okay mate. When I say" lose us" I mean that for the foreseeable future, or unless a change at the top is made, I will cease to entertain ideas of BCFC ever being in the Premiership. I will not support another team but will have to accept that we will remain a League 1 team indefinitely. Your point about Pearson being too expensive is the knub of the problem. He isn't too expensive if you are serious about Premiership football. 

I agree with you therefore about Pemberton. There is absolutely no point in appointing anyone else unless they are in Pearson's class. Under SL we've had Wilson (did it with Barnsley but couldn't do it with us, wonder why), Tinnion, Johnson, Millen, Coppell (have you thought of about why someone so well qualified could hardly wait to get out of City) McInnes, O'Driscoll, Cotterill. 2 out of 8 qualified in Premiership terms. Not brilliant appointing record is it?

[Nogbad the Bad]

3 minutes ago, chipdawg said:

Don't disagree with that (other than the 'lose us' remark; we've put up with worse shit that an uninspiring management appointment over the years), but what I object to are the fantasies over what may or may not happen, constantly spewed forth like a rejected script for 'The Dream Team' or some other such crap. The list of over 30 applications we had with 'some suprising candidates' to paraphrase Ashton need not really concern the billionaire Steve Lansdown. The shortlist of 5 or 6 recommended by the people he employs to run his football club, will do. If he ***** up the appointment from here, that's a different matter

There are also a lot of assumptions about who is in the running. Pearson may well have been rejected as too expensive. Or he might have ruled himself out for personal reasons. So we may end up with Wade and Pembo because of a poor decision or because the big players on the shortlist weren't viable. Unless Mystic Meg is a City fan, we'll have no idea and I suspect we'll not find out even after the appointment is made

Personally I think the delay is because there are some strong candidates in the running- in the past appointments have happened relatively quickly and I think that's because there weren't too many serious candidates knocking about. I also suspect that the delay is caused as much over wrangling with the T&C those strong candidates want, than deciding which one. We may well end up with Pembo and Wade, but if I'm honest I'm more comfortable with that than with taking a punt on a lower league hopeful at this stage

Cumulative effect.

We've got a fairly mature fanbase and many thousands have supported City through thick and thin through mostly unrewarding decades.

They will have seen the triumphs of last season as a belated reward for that loyalty, and the prospect of a young City team playing attacking football in the Championship under a progressive manager will have invigorated their enthusiasm for the club.

To go backwards again this season in such spectacular and humiliating fashion will be one anti climax too far for many, and I'd expect non renewals to be in the many thousands if we stick with Pembo ( or 'Limbo' more like) and go down.

Even if we stay up I've no doubt the depressing events of this season will be see many fans disillusioned and not renewing, and enthusiasm for Championship football will quickly wane with others if the course the club is taking means we're destined to be perpetual strugglers. 

[ontariored]

2 hours ago, Gazred said:

Did you read the article?

"The club have been sifting through a short-list of potential candidates, a process that has gone far enough to now warrant the involvement of City's majority shareholder"

Progress made, owner now involved in the final selection from a shortlist - seems perfectly reasonable to me.

 

But he has hired a COO to turn us around and SL has proven repeatedly over the last 5 years that he knows very little of the technical side of the game.

[BS4 on Tour...]

52 minutes ago, Honiton Tony said:

Can people please stop putting END OF , PERIOD , SIMPLES , FULL STOP at the end of there posts because as soon as you do you have lost the argument !

...or FACT - sooo annoying!

[Will Rollason]

33 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

We already had our young, progressive manager, 'young' Steve Clarke is older than Cotterill.

wow, really? You're right though i would have guessed the other way round