NickJ Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 I am an attention seeker. And so after careful consideration, here's my take on this. What I thought of LJ as a player is irrelevant; since the ripe old age of 31, he has no longer played. What I thought of losing statistically the most successful manager we ever had no longer matters; he is gone. What I think of our board's competence is inconsequential; I have no say. Fact is, LJ is our manager. Do I think this is a wise choice? No. It will end badly, is my prediction. Badly for us, that is. On the other hand I think LJ's bank balance will be enhanced to the same degree as SL's is diminished, as is the normal course of managerial events at BCFC. Do I think LJ will keep us in the Championship? No. Do I think we will stay up? Yes. The 2 are different questions. But weighing everything up, if certain people (Mr Lansdown, Mr Ashton, Mr spudski,) are to be believed, the remainder of the season will be a walk in the park. In SC, it is said, we had a manager who was stubborn, wouldn't use his substitutes, wouldn't change formation, kept players on too long, wouldn't play the youngsters. Very rarely was the criticism that we didn't have the players. LJ on the other hand, so they say, is a sought after coach (by Premier teams no less), a forward thinker, intelligent, articulate, buys into the committee philosophy, not a bully. And Mr Ashton, well he has brought us in not just a head coach but all the players which SC couldn't, no? What can possibly go wrong? LJ blotted his copybook very badly for me one New Years Day at Leyton Orient a few years back, an act which I am surprised has not been mentioned. I think his appointment is utter madness, although I suspect, notwithstanding Mr Ashton's bold claims, there were few credible alternatives. But.... I met LJ briefly once, I found no reason to dislike him, as a human being. What is more, I did not want to dislike him. Welcome back to Bristol City LJ, you are head honcho now, if you do all the things that I think you will not, you will have earned your praise and I will happily eat humble pie. Johnson says, bounce around the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Bloody hell! That's a bit of a ramble........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Nearly a good thread. Slightly inflammatory. All about opinions I suppose. The past is the past, look back but don't stare. Lots on this forum want to see him fail so they can say I told you so, should've kept Cotts. We will stay up I'm sure about that and a massive part will be the work of Pembo and Wade and topped off by Little Lee. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 It doesn't deserve a response but I've been on the piss at a 40th so don't care. Get laid mate, you'll feel a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Aldhelms Red Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Have you just got back from Charlton, Nick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 You can start as many LJ threads as you like, it won't make a blind bit of difference. SL has made his choice and you, me and everyone else can go along with it or find something else to do on a Saturday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 OTIB demonstrates once again, some people don't get fed up with flogging a dead horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Do I think LJ will keep us in the Championship? No. Do I think we will stay up? Yes. The 2 are different questions. ----- So we are not going down...but we are going to be out of the Championship... Finally! The Premiership! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 31 minutes ago, Robbored said: Bloody hell! That's a bit of a ramble........ Fair enough - he waffled on a bit, but is there any need for the swearing? 'kin-ell! Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Your right.......you're an attention seeker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Really didn't want to respond to another new thread that adds nothing new while also feeling like yesterday's news. But if there were "few credible alternatives" then it's not "utter madness" is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinreliant Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 You are right. He isn't 31 anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten minutes of rough Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 29 minutes ago, NickJ said: I am an attention seeker. And so after careful consideration, here's my take on this. What I thought of LJ as a player is irrelevant; since the ripe old age of 31, he has no longer played. What I thought of losing statistically the most successful manager we ever had no longer matters; he is gone. What I think of our board's competence is inconsequential; I have no say. Fact is, LJ is our manager. Do I think this is a wise choice? No. It will end badly, is my prediction. Badly for us, that is. On the other hand I think LJ's bank balance will be enhanced to the same degree as SL's is diminished, as is the normal course of managerial events at BCFC. Do I think LJ will keep us in the Championship? No. Do I think we will stay up? Yes. The 2 are different questions. But weighing everything up, if certain people (Mr Lansdown, Mr Ashton, Mr spudski,) are to be believed, the remainder of the season will be a walk in the park. In SC, it is said, we had a manager who was stubborn, wouldn't use his substitutes, wouldn't change formation, kept players on too long, wouldn't play the youngsters. Very rarely was the criticism that we didn't have the players. LJ on the other hand, so they say, is a sought after coach (by Premier teams no less), a forward thinker, intelligent, articulate, buys into the committee philosophy, not a bully. And Mr Ashton, well he has brought us in not just a head coach but all the players which SC couldn't, no? What can possibly go wrong? LJ blotted his copybook very badly for me one New Years Day at Leyton Orient a few years back, an act which I am surprised has not been mentioned. I think his appointment is utter madness, although I suspect, notwithstanding Mr Ashton's bold claims, there were few credible alternatives. But.... I met LJ briefly once, I found no reason to dislike him, as a human being. What is more, I did not want to dislike him. Welcome back to Bristol City LJ, you are head honcho now, if you do all the things that I think you will not, you will have earned your praise and I will happily eat humble pie. Johnson says, bounce around the ground. So the bottom line is you like him but can't forgive him for what he did that Boxing Day....did what? SC had lost the plot, I and many don't know why he didn't use the bench, and refused to put out a formation that defended the goal. That for me is one of life's mysteries, in a way he got himself sacked, either way it was very very odd, and if we are to believe there were issues between him and SL, then you might think that he did have a certain agenda all of his own. So it is any wonder the Board were seeking unity? LJ will work with the coaches I hope, and not be too proud to take advice from Pembo.So why you think his appointment is utter madness is a an odd statement, when seeing the madness that was SC in the end. I liked Cotts, he was a bit mad, and spoke like us, and a bit mad like us too, but he is a flawed character, very stubborn, and not probably a team player. I hope like you Lee can turn things around, but we all have reservations. What I find the strangest of all is that why appoint Lee now, a coach with little experience when I guess we needed a vibrant character that has been there done that, a bit like dare I say Neil Warnock? That would have made more sense. In Lee we have a junior head coach, behind Pembo, but one for the future, the most pleasing outcome for me is that Pembo has had a contract extension, that to me is Gold. Fingers crossed it all comes good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 1 hour ago, NickJ said: What I thought of losing statistically the most successful manager we ever had no longer matters; he is gone. ....that isn't true, Pat Beasley and Sam Hollis had better win ratios (%) than Cotts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 7 hours ago, ten minutes of rough said: So the bottom line is you like him but can't forgive him for what he did that Boxing Day....did what? On one of the numerous other threads, someone suggested he once gave the finger to some travelling supporters, I am guessing that NickJ is referring to this. As I remember the abuse that he used to receive from the fans throughout his career in his time here , the fact this only occurred once is in my opinion a testament to him, rather something to castigate him for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 9 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: On one of the numerous other threads, someone suggested he once gave the finger to some travelling supporters, I am guessing that NickJ is referring to this. As I remember the abuse that he used to receive from the fans throughout his career in his time here , the fact this only occurred once is in my opinion a testament to him, rather something to castigate him for. Absolutely. It was a mistake on LJs part, but very pious of individuals to keep bringing that up as if it was personally aimed at them; it wasn't, it was aimed at bellends who deserved it who you just so happened to be stood amongst. Ill advised, of course, forgiveable and forgettable, it absolutely should be and it is embarrassing of those that just can't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simez Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 14 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: On one of the numerous other threads, someone suggested he once gave the finger to some travelling supporters, I am guessing that NickJ is referring to this. As I remember the abuse that he used to receive from the fans throughout his career in his time here , the fact this only occurred once is in my opinion a testament to him, rather something to castigate him for. I went to Orient away on New Year's Day a few years back, LJ was getting abuse from a few people or maybe even one person. Course Johnson pops up with a goal and aims a response to the fan giving him stick. I take it that's the incident he's talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Two points Nick: 1) LJ blotted his copybook 'very badly' at Orient away in your opinion. SC was caught on camera f-ing and blinding at a supporter in his last game in charge and your view on this was, and I quote, 'SC deserves praise for his restraint'. How do you square these two comments? 2) I agree with you and suspect there were few credible alternatives and when you take out the fantasy appointments (Moyes, Pearson, Monk etc) then LJ actually stands up to be as good a choice as any, and particularly in a situation where continuity is helpful - with his previous involvement in the club, he brings that. Difficult to say his appointment his 'utter madness' when you consider this. Appointing Holloway would've been 'utter madness', LJ - nah not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 10 hours ago, NickJ said: I am an attention seeker. And so after careful consideration, here's my take on this. What I thought of LJ as a player is irrelevant; since the ripe old age of 31, he has no longer played. What I thought of losing statistically the most successful manager we ever had no longer matters; he is gone. What I think of our board's competence is inconsequential; I have no say. Fact is, LJ is our manager. Do I think this is a wise choice? No. It will end badly, is my prediction. Badly for us, that is. On the other hand I think LJ's bank balance will be enhanced to the same degree as SL's is diminished, as is the normal course of managerial events at BCFC. Do I think LJ will keep us in the Championship? No. Do I think we will stay up? Yes. The 2 are different questions. But weighing everything up, if certain people (Mr Lansdown, Mr Ashton, Mr spudski,) are to be believed, the remainder of the season will be a walk in the park. In SC, it is said, we had a manager who was stubborn, wouldn't use his substitutes, wouldn't change formation, kept players on too long, wouldn't play the youngsters. Very rarely was the criticism that we didn't have the players. LJ on the other hand, so they say, is a sought after coach (by Premier teams no less), a forward thinker, intelligent, articulate, buys into the committee philosophy, not a bully. And Mr Ashton, well he has brought us in not just a head coach but all the players which SC couldn't, no? What can possibly go wrong? LJ blotted his copybook very badly for me one New Years Day at Leyton Orient a few years back, an act which I am surprised has not been mentioned. I think his appointment is utter madness, although I suspect, notwithstanding Mr Ashton's bold claims, there were few credible alternatives. But.... I met LJ briefly once, I found no reason to dislike him, as a human being. What is more, I did not want to dislike him. Welcome back to Bristol City LJ, you are head honcho now, if you do all the things that I think you will not, you will have earned your praise and I will happily eat humble pie. Johnson says, bounce around the ground. Can we all just calm the fukc down please!!!!???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I was delighted with Coppell's appointment and it all turned to dust. I was luke warm over McInnes and things did not go well. I was happy at O'Driscoll's appointment and it was a disaster. I hated SC's appointment and it was one of are most successful seasons for years. So I come to accept that I am just here for the ride, and try not to get to worked up over who's appointed, because I realise I know nothing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said: Two points Nick: 1) LJ blotted his copybook 'very badly' at Orient away in your opinion. SC was caught on camera f-ing and blinding at a supporter in his last game in charge and your view on this was, and I quote, 'SC deserves praise for his restraint'. How do you square these two comments? 2) I agree with you and suspect there were few credible alternatives and when you take out the fantasy appointments (Moyes, Pearson, Monk etc) then LJ actually stands up to be as good a choice as any, and particularly in a situation where continuity is helpful - with his previous involvement in the club, he brings that. Difficult to say his appointment his 'utter madness' when you consider this. Appointing Holloway would've been 'utter madness', LJ - nah not even close. Can't disagree with any of that If we all just decided to get behind LJ and back the lads we're gonna come out of this a lot better at the end of it. Lets save the 'told you so's' until LJ is sacked or goes on to a Prem club. All the chat now is just cock waving, it's happened, get used to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im_over_ere Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 14 hours ago, NickJ said: Do I think LJ will keep us in the Championship? No. Do I think we will stay up? Yes. The 2 are different questions. So are you saying we are going to sack LJ before the end of the season and Pembo & Wade will keep us up! Let's sack him at 2:30 on Saturday just before kick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 14 hours ago, shelts said: Lots on this forum want to see him fail so they can say I told you so, should've kept Cotts. This line is often said on OTIB, but I reckon it's completely untrue. I just can't see that any City fan would want to see a manager fail just to so they can puff their chest on a forum. I'm calling BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Journalist Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Woodsy said: Can't disagree with any of that If we all just decided to get behind LJ and back the lads we're gonna come out of this a lot better at the end of it. Lets save the 'told you so's' until LJ is sacked or goes on to a Prem club. All the chat now is just cock waving, it's happened, get used to it Cock waving is probably the best description I've seen for all the stuff fired about on OTIB during the past five days or so. Everyone has opinions, of course, but at this stage we're all just guessing whether the appointment will be any good or not. As a group of supporters we should probably know that as well as anyone by now. At least, after the initial commotion, the consensus seems to be one of support for Lee, whether unhappy or not. I think that's the main thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 7 minutes ago, The Journalist said: 14 minutes ago, Sir Colby-Tit said: This line is often said on OTIB, but I reckon it's completely untrue. I just can't see that any City fan would want to see a manager fail just to so they can puff their chest on a forum. I'm calling BS. I'm not so sure Sir C-T. Some posters seem to have a real and ongoing agenda as far as the club is concerned - SL, board and now Ashton - and do appear to have an appetite to pull apart and criticise just about everything the club does and every decision it makes. Against that background, while I am not suggesting they want the manager to fail, they would probably be more than happy to say " I told you so" if only to show that they were right and the club was wrong. This forum should be about opinions, and opinions that will differ, but some seem to want to always prove that they are right and everyone else is wrong ( usually described as the happy clappers) As so many have already said, there is no guarantee with any manager appointment, even had it been the apparent favourites - Moyes, Person, Monk - and none of us knows the various factors the club had to take into account when making the appointment. Not least whether any of the so called favourites were prepared to come here, or if they did demanded terms that were simply outside what the club was prepared or could afford to offer. Lee may well have been the best candidate available and prepared to take the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 37 minutes ago, The Journalist said: Cock waving is probably the best description I've seen for all the stuff fired about on OTIB during the past five days or so. Everyone has opinions, of course, but at this stage we're all just guessing whether the appointment will be any good or not. As a group of supporters we should probably know that as well as anyone by now. At least, after the initial commotion, the consensus seems to be one of support for Lee, whether unhappy or not. I think that's the main thing. I've learned from being ultra critical of the appointment and process leading up to it of SC. I was also happy with DMac and SOD. Proves what I know, I'll keep my mouth shut this time around.....although I have to say, LJ's appt has really grown on me. He knows the club, he cares about the club. A little bit of the Eddie Howe about all this for me, would be chuffed to bits if LJ can pull off what EH has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, Woodsy said: I've learned from being ultra critical of the appointment and process leading up to it of SC. I was also happy with DMac and SOD. Proves what I know, I'll keep my mouth shut this time around.....although I have to say, LJ's appt has really grown on me. He knows the club, he cares about the club. A little bit of the Eddie Howe about all this for me, would be chuffed to bits if LJ can pull off what EH has "Would be chuffed to bits if LJ can pull off what EH has " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 53 minutes ago, The Journalist said: Cock waving is probably the best description I've seen for all the stuff fired about on OTIB during the past five days or so. Everyone has opinions, of course, but at this stage we're all just guessing whether the appointment will be any good or not. As a group of supporters we should probably know that as well as anyone by now. At least, after the initial commotion, the consensus seems to be one of support for Lee, whether unhappy or not. I think that's the main thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Cock waving is preferable to cock fighting in my book. But enough about my book 13 minutes ago, Woodsy said: A little bit of the Eddie Howe about all this for me, would be chuffed to bits if LJ can pull off what EH has EH had no few £millions in getting out of the Championship, and a fair few more this season. Not sure LJ will get quite as much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 20 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: Cock waving is preferable to cock fighting in my book. But enough about my book EH had no few £millions in getting out of the Championship, and a fair few more this season. Not sure LJ will get quite as much He also took them off the bottom of Div 4, after a 17 point deduction, and no money to spend, and got promotion the following year, despite a transfer embargo.......but lets not let that get in the way of the EH / AFCB hate on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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