Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Noticed a couple of times tonight that he got no support from the more experienced players, in the sense that as the more experienced players, they should have been giving him direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Didn't have much help from freeman but unfortunately his performance was worst performance at home from a city player this season ... Perspective though...the lads 18 and obv has a bright future..he was also not in his natural position...get your head up zach you'll be back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM91 Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 On 2/21/2016 at 10:46, Fiale said: IT's great that we have Academy players able to walk into the first team at Championship level. I have no idea what the future of Reid and Burns are, but with them and Bryan, Vyner and young O'Leary are also deemed good enough... well when was the last time we had 5 City academy players in our team during a season ? Things may be looking up. 6, Scott Golbourne should count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 A bad day at the office all round. I felt all of the back four could have played to a better standard, but I must say Vyner especially didn't look comfortable and I think LJ just needs to put his arm around him and let him know he's doing fine for his age and experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said: Didn't have much help from freeman but unfortunately his performance was worst performance at home from a city player this season ... Perspective though...the lads 18 and obv has a bright future..he was also not in his natural position...get your head up zach you'll be back Very unfair on Freeman who (like Flint) bailed him out on numerous occasions in the first half. Just found it incredible that he was still on after half time, there was a case for taking him off after half an hour, which I understood why LJ resisted, but it was terrible judgement that he stayed on as long as he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Thought he did struggle tonight, however on the ball looks very comfortable and relaxed. Feel that he will certainly improve and has the ability just needs time. Thought the whole team looked a different standard to Brighton tonight though. Very good team by all accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngish Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Disappointing not to see anyone but ROD and Freeman console the lad after his mistake for their third. Flint and Pearce turned their backs on him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devoncider Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 46 minutes ago, Youngish said: Disappointing not to see anyone but ROD and Freeman console the lad after his mistake for their third. Flint and Pearce turned their backs on him! True, but Flinty did put his arm around him before he was subbed. Very touching - a man hug and hair ruffle and all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 hang on a minute people. Let's have a bit of perspective. He's one of our academy players who's just broken through to the first team and is very inexperienced. He's young and will learn from this. He's one of our own and we need to support him. Looking at the bigger picture, it's excellent that we're bringing these youngsters through now but it does mean these things will happen as they learn the game. If he starts again, let's get behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 9 hours ago, Shtanley said: Only the 2nd time he's ever played at RB just to put things into perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLR Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 To me, it doesn't matter whether you have played 2 games or 500 at senior level, if your gaffer trusts you enough to go out there and so a job - you have to go and do it. Unfortunately, Zak wasn't anywhere near up to it and got tore and absolute new one. If it wasn't for MK being poor going forward on Saturday, he could have also of cost us the win then as well. Nowhere near ready enough for this level yet, hopefully a spell out on loan will see him come back more streetwise as obviously we want to see as many of our academy boys make it with us - but he is nowhere near this standard yet. Brighton picked up on it very early on he was the weak link and if he had to continue to play due to Little/Ayling being unfit then it'd worry me that teams would continue to do that & we'll drop silly points. LJ should've hauled him off HT, that was poor decision in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 28 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: hang on a minute people. Let's have a bit of perspective. He's one of our academy players who's just broken through to the first team and is very inexperienced. He's young and will learn from this. He's one of our own and we need to support him. Looking at the bigger picture, it's excellent that we're bringing these youngsters through now but it does mean these things will happen as they learn the game. If he starts again, let's get behind him. No it's this kind of sentiment which winds me up about our fans sometimes. Yes I appreciate he is young and only his second game but he was awful position ally and under pressure, and sorry but if your manager asks you to do a job you have to be ready to take your opportunity when it comes. i saw someone on here recently mention before Saturday that the next one to breakthrough from the academy will be zac vyner, well I worry about what the rest are like if he is the flag bearer for the academy. for too long now the academy has struggled to produce players that are good enough for our first team for a sustained period of time, Reid and burns are nowhere near championship material. i would love to have a strong academy producing home grown talent but similarly if they are nowhere near up to scratch, I won't sit back after awful performances and think let's give them more chances because their young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Tough game against a very good team, he will learn and develop and, hopefully, come back stronger. No need to write him off just yet, all part of the learning experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 The warning signs were there on Sat. He did ok but got caught out a few times. Luckily MK were rubbish. All this talk about developing academy players is fine if they are good enough, but at the moment he is not. He's also not a RB. What was LJ thinking? All the "fellas" who talk about including the youngsters to build their confidence should think again. After last night I would be surprised if his hasn't taken quite a knock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 My longer term concern for ZV is that he doesn't look tall enough to be a CB in this league. I can appreciate him struggling if played out of position but does he have the basic physical attributes to make it in his favoured position? Last night showed why managers are reluctant to put in youngsters. It could set a player back being ruthlessly exposed in a game like that. Hopefully he has the confidence to bounce back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 10 hours ago, Full nelson said: Talk about a knock for confidence!! LJ needs to take all the blame tonight, but Brighton were probably the best side to play down here this season. "LJ needs to take all the blame tonight" Really? You would have changed a winning team? I thought he was right to start with Vyner, but clearly the error for the first goal affected his confidence. However, you can't pull a young player off straight away, and I think LJ was right to give him a chance to get his act together. Clearly Zak was upset by the third goal, and at that point substituting him was right, but how do we know that Mark Little wouldn't have been equally exposed? I don't think any blame needs to be attributed to last night. I suspect that Saturday took a huge amount out of the team, and with Brighton wanting to make up for a below-par performance against Cardiff, it was always going to be tough. I watched the Cardiff Brighton match on TV, and they were a different team last night. We were always going to struggle and while we might not have expected to conceded four, you can't blame LJ and you probably can't blame the players either (though I'd have liked to have seen Freeman make more intelligent use of the ball in the second half). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Sometimes you play against a better team, and it is their day. Its no ones fault, like everytime arsenal play barcelona! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 If anything I think a performance like that will make him realise how much effort he needs to put in to fully step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 1 hour ago, HLR said: To me, it doesn't matter whether you have played 2 games or 500 at senior level, if your gaffer trusts you enough to go out there and so a job - you have to go and do it. Unfortunately, Zak wasn't anywhere near up to it and got tore and absolute new one. If it wasn't for MK being poor going forward on Saturday, he could have also of cost us the win then as well. Nowhere near ready enough for this level yet, hopefully a spell out on loan will see him come back more streetwise as obviously we want to see as many of our academy boys make it with us - but he is nowhere near this standard yet. Brighton picked up on it very early on he was the weak link and if he had to continue to play due to Little/Ayling being unfit then it'd worry me that teams would continue to do that & we'll drop silly points. LJ should've hauled him off HT, that was poor decision in my book. As I have said on another thread, Murphy did the same to Ayling last season for Sheff U when they beat us 3-1 at home. We cannot try to crucify an 18 year old in his second game for last night. He will learn from this and so will LJ, I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmers Green Red Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Whilst more so than usual last night, with no dig at the lad as his second game, it appears that whoever is in the right back position seems to get dragged inside a lot ... which then leave's either space or an immediate 2 on 1 position on the wing where they are them scrambling to get across - we have seen a few goals at home where the left winger/striker then cuts in and scores. Not sureally how to resolve this, but then again I am not a football coach/manager! COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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