Cider Queen Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 1 hour ago, CotswoldRed said: There's more land between us and Wales than there is between Brighton and France. They're French I tell thee. Exactly. Surprised the your French and you know you are didn't get sung after the Welsh jibes.. But no the Atyeo numpties have to use the Gay chant. Pathetic really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallaceboy Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 2 hours ago, View from the Dolman said: So the 'f' word is banter? Can I use the 'n' word and it'll be fine if I say it's "banter"? Of course not there has to be limits doesn't there.but certainly the f word is.its used very often in football songs.as for the n word that is racist not banter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 1 minute ago, wallaceboy said: Of course not there has to be limits doesn't there.but certainly the f word is.its used very often in football songs.as for the n word that is racist not banter. Maybe I wasn't clear. I meant the 'f' word that got an outing last night. The term that is a food, popular in south Wales and (to myself at least) a homophobic slur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallaceboy Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: Maybe I wasn't clear. I meant the 'f' word that got an outing last night. The term that is a food, popular in south Wales and (to myself at least) a homophobic slur. Ah I see what u mean now.prob more offensive words being used nowadays than that particular one.but ye your right some people perhaps do find it not very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 I believe there is a slightly subtle difference between somebody considering racist or homophobic chants offensive and actually being offended by said chants, and quite often the two are confused. If I was to hear somebody shouting obscene racist and/or homophobic abuse at opposing fans or players, I would consider this extremely rude and offensive, but, as I am a white, heterosexual male, I don't think I would be offended. As an aside, I remember being amused when I first heard the 'We can see you holding hands' chant and, for what it is worth, I did not consider it offensive and I was most certainly not offended. If mildly homophobic comments are made in good faith and without antagonism, I believe that they should be accepted in good faith. Some time (months) ago, homophobia was being discussed on this very forum, and one contributor posted that he was gay and attended matches with his gay friend in the Atyeo stand, but that, unless you knew him and already knew he was gay you would never guess because he dressed and spoke like anybody else: somebody, I seem to recall it was Big Tone, replied that he did indeed know who they were because they sat in those two pink seats. I found the response amusing, as did our gay fellow supporter, and I would be amazed if anybody found the response offensive or was offended by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbin Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 8 hours ago, Kim_il_sung said: Spotty arse kids and meatheads that belong in the 70s were no doubt singing such chants. Who cares if somebody is gay in the TWENTY FIRST ****ING CENTURY!!!! I can see the replies a mile off....."just banter m8". And to be honest, even if it's not offensive it's pretty tedious banter. Who cares if someone is spotty then?! And/or a meat head. Lets condemn derogatory remarks, with derogatory remarks shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 7 hours ago, CotswoldRed said: There's more land between us and Wales than there is between Brighton and France. They're French I tell thee. Well as the crow flies we are 12 miles from Wales and Brighton is 80 miles from France... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 The loudest chants last night were the gay ones or calling baldock a ******. Embarrassing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 "If mildly homophobic comments are made in good faith and without antagonism, I believe that they should be accepted in good faith." Still a long way to go I guess, crikey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 1 hour ago, RumRed said: "If mildly homophobic comments are made in good faith and without antagonism, I believe that they should be accepted in good faith." Still a long way to go I guess, crikey. If you had taken the trouble to read the previous and subsequent paragraphs.... 'As an aside, I remember being amused when I first heard the 'We can see you holding hands' chant and, for what it is worth, I did not consider it offensive and I was most certainly not offended. If mildly homophobic comments are made in good faith and without antagonism, I believe that they should be accepted in good faith. Some time (months) ago, homophobia was being discussed on this very forum, and one contributor posted that he was gay and attended matches with his gay friend in the Atyeo stand, but that, unless you knew him and already knew he was gay you would never guess because he dressed and spoke like anybody else: somebody, I seem to recall it was Big Tone, replied that he did indeed know who they were because they sat in those two pink seats. I found the response amusing, as did our gay fellow supporter, and I would be amazed if anybody found the response offensive or was offended by it.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoc Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 11 hours ago, CotswoldRed said: They also stab/spear animals for entertainment (can/worms). Welsh Police just run them over apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 How is it logical that we have to be 'politically correct' in everything we say and do publicly...yet you can go and watch a comedy event for 'Entertainment' that covers nearly every 'politically incorrect' topic...and find it funny? Sit in an auditorium and laugh your nuts off to every 'politically incorrect' joke...yet scowled at if you talk about it in public? The world is completely mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Lewis Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 4 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Well as the crow flies we are 12 miles from Wales and Brighton is 80 miles from France... Maybe he should have stipulated dry land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said: If you had taken the trouble to read the previous and subsequent paragraphs.... 'As an aside, I remember being amused when I first heard the 'We can see you holding hands' chant and, for what it is worth, I did not consider it offensive and I was most certainly not offended. If mildly homophobic comments are made in good faith and without antagonism, I believe that they should be accepted in good faith. Some time (months) ago, homophobia was being discussed on this very forum, and one contributor posted that he was gay and attended matches with his gay friend in the Atyeo stand, but that, unless you knew him and already knew he was gay you would never guess because he dressed and spoke like anybody else: somebody, I seem to recall it was Big Tone, replied that he did indeed know who they were because they sat in those two pink seats. I found the response amusing, as did our gay fellow supporter, and I would be amazed if anybody found the response offensive or was offended by it.' Who is the judge of what might be considered "mildly"? To me that sounds like "if you can get away with it". Would it be acceptable to say something is mildly racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 17 minutes ago, allyolly said: Who is the judge of what might be considered "mildly"? To me that sounds like "if you can get away with it". Would it be acceptable to say something is mildly racist? Like I said before above...people paying to watch homophobic and racist jokes...laughing and clapping...yet you can't laugh about our 'differences' in public? Explain what the difference is? As an example.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The dastardly red Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 12 hours ago, UK0wnag3 said: It's good everyone was really offended when we sang all those songs about being Welsh at Cardiff away, or sang those songs about being northern at home to Boro... It's just so predictable and boring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 27 minutes ago, spudski said: Like I said before above...people paying to watch homophobic and racist jokes...laughing and clapping...yet you can't laugh about our 'differences' in public? Explain what the difference is? As an example.... I think the difference lies in context, time and place. An adult orientated gig is completely different to a football match where expectations and audience are different. I've got no problem with differences being recognised, celebrated, laughed at and questioned. But I do think the context in which it's done is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 2 hours ago, allyolly said: I think the difference lies in context, time and place. An adult orientated gig is completely different to a football match where expectations and audience are different. I've got no problem with differences being recognised, celebrated, laughed at and questioned. But I do think the context in which it's done is important. Interesting...I understand where you are coming from, but still think we live in a screwed up world...as in, it's ok to be 18 (adult) and enjoy this humour...but up to that age it isn't acceptable. As a child...surely it's better to encourage accepting all our differences, embrace them and laugh at them...rather than to tell them it's wrong, so that they become indifferent and see people as 'different' and cause a 'them and us' attitude? All this 'Political Correctness' has actually made people the opposite to what it's trying to do. It creates 'differences' and makes people think...'they are different', so I have to be careful what I say around them so as not to offend. It creates differences rather than togetherness imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burt_ Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 The way so many people will loudly express this entirely superficial, and utterly false, exaggerated 'moral outrage' on behalf of others, is truly, truly sad. Each of these humourless, self-appointed, saints has a strange, complete and unwavering, belief that their judgement and moral compass are, at all times, beyond reproach. They believe, absolutely, that they are capable, and even somehow obligated, to decide which statements, words, songs, phrases etc. should be considered offensive. Their decisions are generally based on political correctness - regardless of whether any personal offense or upset was actually experienced - and generally ignores any context, tone, etc. These people are desperate to be offended on behalf of others - especially minority groups. Yet do new have the respect or decency to establish if any offense was actually experienced by anyone in the group. What gives a straight, white, male the right to say what a lesbian, Chinese, pensioner??? Some people really need to get a life and realise that general Mickey taking - said without malice - is not offensive. Whether it be about Brighton fans being gay, Irish fans being backwards, Welsh fans preferring sheep, a ref with a slightly larger waistline having eaten all the pies, etc. Etc.etc. If we have reached a stage where people are so oversensitive that it is no longer possible to take the p&%s out of each other without being reprimanded by sanctimonious bell ends who find leg pulling 'embarrassing', then the world has become a very sad and depressing place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pommers1965 Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 4 hours ago, Burt_ said: The way so many people will loudly express this entirely superficial, and utterly false, exaggerated 'moral outrage' on behalf of others, is truly, truly sad. Each of these humourless, self-appointed, saints has a strange, complete and unwavering, belief that their judgement and moral compass are, at all times, beyond reproach. They believe, absolutely, that they are capable, and even somehow obligated, to decide which statements, words, songs, phrases etc. should be considered offensive. Their decisions are generally based on political correctness - regardless of whether any personal offense or upset was actually experienced - and generally ignores any context, tone, etc. These people are desperate to be offended on behalf of others - especially minority groups. Yet do new have the respect or decency to establish if any offense was actually experienced by anyone in the group. What gives a straight, white, male the right to say what a lesbian, Chinese, pensioner??? Some people really need to get a life and realise that general Mickey taking - said without malice - is not offensive. Whether it be about Brighton fans being gay, Irish fans being backwards, Welsh fans preferring sheep, a ref with a slightly larger waistline having eaten all the pies, etc. Etc.etc. If we have reached a stage where people are so oversensitive that it is no longer possible to take the p&%s out of each other without being reprimanded by sanctimonious bell ends who find leg pulling 'embarrassing', then the world has become a very sad and depressing place. ^^common sense offends me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Alright, how about this. Lets assume that there is no debate and we all decided there was nothing wrong with calling all Brighton fans gay, Luton fans suicide bombers and Cardiff fans sheep worriers. Hands up if you think these chants are funny, original or witty....? "You're from Brighton. You're gay. HAW HAW HAW. Yeah, thought not. If you are going to go down the route of "fun banter" then at least make said banter original and clever. Don't regurgitate tired chants that they've probably heard at every single game for the last thirty years. Have some imagination and some humor. I'll bet very few Brighton fans were offended by the chants on Tuesday, but I bet the vast majority of them thought "what a bunch of dull dimwits". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 13 hours ago, Redrobbin said: Who cares if someone is spotty then?! And/or a meat head. Lets condemn derogatory remarks, with derogatory remarks shall we? Scraping the bottom of the barrel there "fella"!! Yes, I condemn such people with derogatory remarks because I happen to think they are idiots. There's nothing clever about singing such shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 5 hours ago, spudski said: All this 'Political Correctness' has actually made people the opposite to what it's trying to do. It creates 'differences' and makes people think...'they are different', so I have to be careful what I say around them so as not to offend. It creates differences rather than togetherness imo. No it doesn't. What you describe as 'political correctness' is decades of trying to deal with inequality in society. The notion that it creates differences is nonsense. Fifty years ago being gay was illegal, racial discrimination was commonplace, and women were treated as subservient. It is not least due to what you call 'political correctness', but what I would call 'dealing with inequality', that that has changed. If you want to deal with discrimination you have to deal with the language of discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 15 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Well as the crow flies we are 12 miles from Wales and Brighton is 80 miles from France... I think his point was that you could walk from AG to Wales in approximately 19 miles. If you wanted to go from Brighton to France you'd just walk to the harbour and hop on a boat, approximately 300yds. Much nearer. In addition, you wouldn't walk from Bristol to Wales because that would mean ending up in Wales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbin Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Kim_il_sung said: Scraping the bottom of the barrel there "fella"!! Yes, I condemn such people with derogatory remarks because I happen to think they are idiots. There's nothing clever about singing such shite. No of course there isnt. I quite agree with you. But to call them "spotty arsed kids" "Meatheads" "idiots". Is a sweeping stereotypical prejudiced remark(s) which you accuse these people of. Slightly hypocrital to my mind. Education is the only real solution. With registrants put in place by the club. Why you think people who chant such things have a skin condition on their backside is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 I am very non PC but I just thought the chants were rubbish and made us look and sound stupid. It is interesting though to consider if every chant is offensive because the receipient is gay or because the assumption/inference is that they are ? I believe the latter - if you asked a gay man if his boyfriend knew he was here he may say its none of your business but it shouldn't offend. Being straight yet labelled gay is clearly considered offensive though which is strange in these more enlightened days. Just saying like.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 On 24/02/2016 at 10:34, Kim_il_sung said: Spotty arse kids and meatheads that belong in the 70s were no doubt singing such chants. Who cares if somebody is gay in the TWENTY FIRST ****ING CENTURY!!!! I can see the replies a mile off....."just banter m8". And to be honest, even if it's not offensive it's pretty tedious banter. That's a bit hypocritical coming from the leader of a country that has executed homosexuals for being against the "socialist lifestyle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 46 minutes ago, Loon plage said: I am very non PC but I just thought the chants were rubbish and made us look and sound stupid. It is interesting though to consider if every chant is offensive because the receipient is gay or because the assumption/inference is that they are ? I believe the latter - if you asked a gay man if his boyfriend knew he was here he may say its none of your business but it shouldn't offend. Being straight yet labelled gay is clearly considered offensive though which is strange in these more enlightened days. Just saying like.. I think what could be considered offensive is that the people partaking in the oh so witty gay chants are only doing so because they consider it an insult to be labelled gay, which is strange in these more enlightened days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 6 minutes ago, richwwtk said: I think what could be considered offensive is that the people partaking in the oh so witty gay chants are only doing so because they consider it an insult to be labelled gay, which is strange in these more enlightened days. What I said (kind of?) I wouldn't like to be called gay simply because i'm not and it is therefore insulting to imply that I am.Therefore if I was being chanted at to that effect it would irritate me which I guess is the aim of those chanting that shite. And I don't like being told i'm Welsh and I know I am for the same reason although that's just "banter" isn't it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 14 minutes ago, Loon plage said: What I said (kind of?) I wouldn't like to be called gay simply because i'm not and it is therefore insulting to imply that I am.Therefore if I was being chanted at to that effect it would irritate me which I guess is the aim of those chanting that shite. And I don't like being told i'm Welsh and I know I am for the same reason although that's just "banter" isn't it... It's not in any way insulting to imply that you might be gay, or at least, it shouldn't be. It's just incorrect, no more insulting than if I implied your name was Mark. The chants by themselves aren't offensive at all, it's the thought process of the people that are chanting them that makes it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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