screech Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Ian M said: It's a tight one as the goalie is diving backwards at the moment of Joe's shot and remember it is any part of a player's body (that they can legally play the ball with) that must be level with (or behind) at least 2 opponents. I've screen grabbed it on my phone but those with a computer monitor will be able to see better. Anyway, as others have said, an extremely tough call for the lino, especially given the time that passed between Joe shooting, Kodjia getting a touch and the complicating factor of whether Kodjia actually got that touch...all in realtime, looking through bodies and without the benefit of replays. That's far too close to call, the defender next to Freeman is nearer to the goal than he is. Whether he is level with Kodjia can be argued either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Looking at that video still, great "decision" and execution by Joe to shoot across to the far post. Excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted March 24, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 16 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: Looking at that video still, great "decision" and execution by Joe to shoot across to the far post. Excellent ...and an even better decision by Kodjia to "make sure" because if the ball did go on to hit the post and come straight back in the direction it came from, it would have likely fallen at Freeman's feet, unmarked with a completely open goal, 1 yard out. I don't like those odds and fear we'd have had to settle for just the 5 goals that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 36 minutes ago, screech said: That's far too close to call, the defender next to Freeman is nearer to the goal than he is. Whether he is level with Kodjia can be argued either way. I would say that screenshot shows quite conclusively that Kodjia was offside.. Kodjia is on the 6 yard line and only one other player is closer to goal, therefore it is offside. Not that it matters anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Ian M said: It's a tight one as the goalie is diving backwards at the moment of Joe's shot and remember it is any part of a player's body (that they can legally play the ball with) that must be level with (or behind) at least 2 opponents. I've screen grabbed it on my phone but those with a computer monitor will be able to see better. Anyway, as others have said, an extremely tough call for the lino, especially given the time that passed between Joe shooting, Kodjia getting a touch and the complicating factor of whether Kodjia actually got that touch...all in realtime, looking through bodies and without the benefit of replays. dont think the GK's hand is playing Kodjia onside there, his feet are on the edge of one of the grass patches which i'm guesstimating to be about 5-6 yards each (using 6 yard box and pen spot for reference) with bent legs and arms out to his side i dont see him making up the yards or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider hoss rules Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 8 hours ago, Slippin cider said: It looks to me like the ball is already over the line as JK gets a touch on it ... I think your telly's bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 3 hours ago, Buckeyed said: I would say that screenshot shows quite conclusively that Kodjia was offside.. Kodjia is on the 6 yard line and only one other player is closer to goal, therefore it is offside. Not that it matters anyway! Look again more closely, in between number 15 and the bloke on the goal line there is another defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 hour ago, screech said: Look again more closely, in between number 15 and the bloke on the goal line there is another defender. I thought that too, but my eyes are shite so I thought I'd imagined it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITYAREREDANDWHITE Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 hour ago, screech said: Look again more closely, in between number 15 and the bloke on the goal line there is another defender. No there's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 2 hours ago, screech said: Look again more closely, in between number 15 and the bloke on the goal line there is another defender. It's actually someone on the advertising screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 33 minutes ago, CITYAREREDANDWHITE said: No there's not. O yes there is! Must confess I missed it. If you look closely at their number 15's head, the ghost player is just above that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 1 hour ago, CITYAREREDANDWHITE said: No there's not. 33 minutes ago, Selred said: It's actually someone on the advertising screen. I aint going to argue, if you dont believe me just watch the goals on Youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 24 minutes ago, screech said: I aint going to argue, if you dont believe me just watch the goals on Youtube. You're completely right! Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 10 hours ago, screech said: Look again more closely, in between number 15 and the bloke on the goal line there is another defender. You are absolutely correct.. To be fair I think their players went missing along time before that goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 It is a red herring whether Kodjia was offside or not, the goal was given. I can understand those not wanting to credit the goal to Kodjia if upon review a goal can be chalked off for being offside even days after it was initially given. But that doesn't happen, so there is nothing to fear. For my money it was Kodjia's goal. He got the final touch and since football first started a goal is credited to the last attacking player who makes contact with the ball before it crosses the line with the build up to that goal having no bearing whatsoever on that outcome in terms of whose name is credited with the goal. Furthermore, there was a good chance the shot would have hit the inside of the post, it might then have gone in, but there is a chance it would not have. Had this occurred in the 2008 play-off final v Hull in the dying minutes and not v Bolton when we were 5-0 up in the dying minutes, and Kodjia had just stood there thinking Bryan deserves the goal so he wouldn't follow it in and then the ball hit the inside of the post then ran along the goal line and been cleared, Kodjia (who obviously like Bryan didn't play in 2008) would've been vilified for the rest of his career as the player who cost us a place in the Premier League! Nobody at all would come on here posting that he should have left the shot alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Having looked at this a few times now, I'm not surprised Joe didn't pass to JK. I think LJ might want to look at JK's positioning rather than Joe's "decision making." I can see JK offside at 3 separate points in this attack alone! Maybe that impacted on Joe's thinking and the decisions he made? The first was as Joe approached halfway and Bolton's last man, JK is clearly a couple of yards (or, "miles") offside. So good decision not to pass. Second, as Joe nears the keeper, he is caught up by a defender. He is not close enough yet to the keeper to pass it to JK for a simple tap in. He needs another stride or two to take the keeper out of the equation. And at this point JK is either just offside, or so close to it - borderline - that Joe has to weigh up whether he is or isn't and so on. So, understandable decision not to pass. Third, as Joe shoots a second time, with his right foot, JK looks to be offside again (Joe probably not seeing this but JK being offside might have been on his mind still). We've all been banging on on here about JK being offside a lot. The players will be highly aware of it too! I think JK being offside was on Joe's mind throughout this and it effected his "decision making" as he ran towards Bolton's goal. Plus, we were 5 nil up with 2 minutes left and JK had just scored himself a minute ago. Joe probably thought "sod it, I'm having this one." And finally, JK would likely have had to use his left foot to score had Joe passed, another thing to consider. So, in summary: LJ is wrong, you're decision making is fine Joe. But JK probably stuck his stud on it and nicked "your" goal off you, cos you didn't pass to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 16 hours ago, Ian M said: ...and an even better decision by Kodjia to "make sure" because if the ball did go on to hit the post and come straight back in the direction it came from, it would have likely fallen at Freeman's feet, unmarked with a completely open goal, 1 yard out. I don't like those odds and fear we'd have had to settle for just the 5 goals that day. That is very unkind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 18 hours ago, Jack Dawe said: Looking at that video still, great "decision" and execution by Joe to shoot across to the far post. Excellent Hardly difficult was it? There's a gert big white arrow pointing Joe in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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