Nogbad the Bad Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 hour ago, phantom said: 1 hour ago, Doozerchris said: 1 hour ago, Rudolf Hucker said: Every other TV and radio advert these days seems to be for a gambling website or phone app. It drives me mad. However when so many people are encouraged to invest so much money in predicting outcomes of sporting contests, it is inevitable that the definitive goal scorer in a football match has to be correctly identified. I agree that Joe deserved the goal but sadly sentiment no longer counts. JK did get the faintest touch as the ball crossed the line so should be awarded the goal otherwise I can see bookies and or punters getting ansi (maybe not over this particular goal but as a general principle). The principle of 'last touch' doesn't seem to apply when managers often announce their player is going to 'claim the goal' for an 'on target shot/header', even when an opposition player has clearly got the last touch and there would traditionally have been no question that it went down as an OG. Not relevant to the Kodjia/Bryan incident perhaps but the whole principle of 'definitive goalscorer' seems open to opinion and who shouts loudest - it won't be the defender that's for sure - and therefore remains a murky area to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 I guess we'll just have to wait til we play Hull or Rotherham to have 6 different scorers in a match then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 9 minutes ago, shelts said: Feel forJB as it was clearly JK goal . Great finish he did well to hit the target Yes JK did very well from that far out!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 hour ago, RedM said: I thought at the time it was Joe's goal, it deserved to be for that run alone, so I was surprised to hear later on Saturday that it had been given to Kodjia. But seeing Joe's reaction on that video I dont think he thought he had scored anyway, he seems to be looking over at Kodjia and congratulating him. I didn't take Joe's expression towards JK as congratulatory at all. What word describes an expression showing both immediate delight (at your shot ending up in the net for a brilliant solo goal) suddenly mixing with disbelief and disappointment at the almost immediate realisation that someone else is going to justifiably claim the goal for an almost certainly unnecessary final touch just as it went over the line? A fixed expression between joy and horror. I'm not sure such a word exists, but if it does it would describe JB's feelings at that moment exactly imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Kodjia is paid to score goals so no problem with this. Also, had Joe not dilly dallied around and just put it away first time then there would be no questions. Still deserves credit for the run though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I didn't take Joe's expression towards JK as congratulatory at all. What word describes an expression showing both immediate delight (at your shot ending up in the net for a brilliant solo goal) suddenly mixing with disbelief and disappointment at the almost immediate realisation that someone else is going to justifiably claim the goal for an almost certainly unnecessary final touch just as it went over the line? A fixed expression between joy and horror. I'm not sure such a word exists, but if it does it would describe JB's feelings at that moment exactly imo. Having watched the replay several times, I think JK had to get that touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 24, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 58 minutes ago, Hellfire Corner said: He was in an offside position. When Joe hits his shot JK is on the six yard line. There is one defender inside the six yard box, the keeper and other defenders are outside, therefore he was in an offside position when the ball was played. Offside is taken on the second last defender not the last one. Still I will forgive the linesman for a shocking lack of concentration. He ran past the defender nearest him to slide in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 35 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I didn't take Joe's expression towards JK as congratulatory at all. What word describes an expression showing both immediate delight (at your shot ending up in the net for a brilliant solo goal) suddenly mixing with disbelief and disappointment at the almost immediate realisation that someone else is going to justifiably claim the goal for an almost certainly unnecessary final touch just as it went over the line? A fixed expression between joy and horror. I'm not sure such a word exists, but if it does it would describe JB's feelings at that moment exactly imo. I don't think it's murky, it only applies in relation to an OG that if the effort was on target it's credited with the attacking player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Corner Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 8 minutes ago, phantom said: He ran past the defender nearest him to slide in Definitely offside. If you look closely and freeze the moment Joe takes his final shot the only defender ahead of JK is number 45. Number 31 and 15 ( and the keeper) are clearly outside the six yard area. JK is on the six yard line at that moment ahead of all Bolton players apart from number 45. To be onside you need two defenders ( one usually the keeper, but not always). JK was ahead of the ball and only had one Bolton player ahead of him at the time that Joe shot, therefore offside. As I said before though, I will forgive the linesman for missing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 I've no problem with kodja getting the goal he did what a good striker should do and follow the ball in, gutted for Joe but still kodja is 5 away from 20 in the season a strikers golden mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 53 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I didn't take Joe's expression towards JK as congratulatory at all. What word describes an expression showing both immediate delight (at your shot ending up in the net for a brilliant solo goal) suddenly mixing with disbelief and disappointment at the almost immediate realisation that someone else is going to justifiably claim the goal for an almost certainly unnecessary final touch just as it went over the line? A fixed expression between joy and horror. I'm not sure such a word exists, but if it does it would describe JB's feelings at that moment exactly imo. Exactly as I read it, the look of almost disbelief followed by 'you got to be kidding me' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BS4 on Tour... Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 3 hours ago, Dollymarie said: Still say Joey should get it, he ran pretty much the entire length of the pitch and it was going in anyway. It was a great run, but he picked the ball up on the edge of the centre circle, not exactly the 'entire length of the pitch' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo1 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 2 hours ago, phantom said: Being pendantic of course you could point that out - BUT the simple thing was for Bryan to roll the ball square to Kodjia and have an empty net. As already pointed out above - this is what LJ is referring to when saying players need to be making the right decisions on the ball Above, and always make sure the ball ends up in the back of the net don't take any chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I didn't take Joe's expression towards JK as congratulatory at all. What word describes an expression showing both immediate delight (at your shot ending up in the net for a brilliant solo goal) suddenly mixing with disbelief and disappointment at the almost immediate realisation that someone else is going to justifiably claim the goal for an almost certainly unnecessary final touch just as it went over the line? A fixed expression between joy and horror. I'm not sure such a word exists, but if it does it would describe JB's feelings at that moment exactly imo. I meant it more that Joe didn't realise how close it was to being his goal, he seemed to accept that Kodjia needed to put it in. Anyway, I'm glad it went in, good to see us following up. How many times have we seen players in the past all stood around with their hands on their hips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 3 hours ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Like goal hanging when at school desperatly trying to steal as many goalsas possible. Good. Just what a good striker should be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Fantastic effort from JK, considering he doesn't take penalties like all the goalscorers around him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TammyAB Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 I don't think it would have gone in if Kodjia didn't get a touch. However, everybody saying Bryan deserves it/they should give the goal to Bryan are just embarrassing - Kodjia plays for us too by the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Kodjia is at a clear disadvantage in the top goal scoring charts in that he didn't get to play against us when we were playing 3-5-2 and fill his boots. If you take away Andre Gray's 4 goals against us then Kodjia is even closer to the supposed best striker in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: The principle of 'last touch' doesn't seem to apply when managers often announce their player is going to 'claim the goal' for an 'on target shot/header', even when an opposition player has clearly got the last touch and there would traditionally have been no question that it went down as an OG. If a shot is on target before an opposition player touches it, it is not an OG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 21 minutes ago, Kodjia said: I don't think it would have gone in if Kodjia didn't get a touch. However, everybody saying Bryan deserves it/they should give the goal to Bryan are just embarrassing - Kodjia plays for us too by the way! Sorry Jimmy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDBS36 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Having looked at it a few times, think it was going wide till Kodja's touch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Jimmy's a goal mogger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Jimmy's a top lad. He knows that strikers are judged on goals and midfielders are judged more on assists. He's taking one for the team here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Having looked at the top scorers on the bbc site, one thing that is noticable is how much more clinical the other top scorers with a similar amount of goals are (barring judge) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelton’s Love Gravy Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 I sincerely hope Joe & Kodjia don't fall out over this. And end up fighting like dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted March 24, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 3 hours ago, Hellfire Corner said: Definitely offside. If you look closely and freeze the moment Joe takes his final shot the only defender ahead of JK is number 45. Number 31 and 15 ( and the keeper) are clearly outside the six yard area. JK is on the six yard line at that moment ahead of all Bolton players apart from number 45. To be onside you need two defenders ( one usually the keeper, but not always). JK was ahead of the ball and only had one Bolton player ahead of him at the time that Joe shot, therefore offside. As I said before though, I will forgive the linesman for missing it. It's a tight one as the goalie is diving backwards at the moment of Joe's shot and remember it is any part of a player's body (that they can legally play the ball with) that must be level with (or behind) at least 2 opponents. I've screen grabbed it on my phone but those with a computer monitor will be able to see better. Anyway, as others have said, an extremely tough call for the lino, especially given the time that passed between Joe shooting, Kodjia getting a touch and the complicating factor of whether Kodjia actually got that touch...all in realtime, looking through bodies and without the benefit of replays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Yea I'm not getting the big deal here. We've said we have no fox in the box all season and Kodjia gets that kind of goal and many are up in arms because Joe made a good run. Kodjia doesn't know if it is a cross or a shot. He doesn't know if it is going in or not. In a split second decision he attacked and got the goal. He's done exactly what any striker should have. Great run by Joe and he deserves all the credit for a great run but Kodjia has done his job as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamc6203 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 4 hours ago, Hellfire Corner said: Definitely offside. If you look closely and freeze the moment Joe takes his final shot the only defender ahead of JK is number 45. Number 31 and 15 ( and the keeper) are clearly outside the six yard area. JK is on the six yard line at that moment ahead of all Bolton players apart from number 45. To be onside you need two defenders ( one usually the keeper, but not always). JK was ahead of the ball and only had one Bolton player ahead of him at the time that Joe shot, therefore offside. As I said before though, I will forgive the linesman for missing it. 5 hours ago, Hellfire Corner said: He was in an offside position. When Joe hits his shot JK is on the six yard line. There is one defender inside the six yard box, the keeper and other defenders are outside, therefore he was in an offside position when the ball was played. Offside is taken on the second last defender not the last one. Still I will forgive the linesman for a shocking lack of concentration. I think most of us know what the offside law is, there's no need to keep repeating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 3 hours ago, cider-manc said: Kodjia is at a clear disadvantage in the top goal scoring charts in that he didn't get to play against us when we were playing 3-5-2 and fill his boots. If you take away Andre Gray's 4 goals against us then Kodjia is even closer to the supposed best striker in the division. And Gray has scored 4 pens this season. So Kodj is doing alright. More than alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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