ChippenhamRed Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 ...and how much longer do we have to put up with it? I mean, seriously.... @AdamB hope you're on the case. I know on Twitter you said you'd be speaking to ITN about it, but that was back in August. Five homes games in now and still as bad as ever - why? A real shame that our first season at the new stadium isn't being captured as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Yep it's just awful. No need for the constant zooming in and out. Here's hoping he isn't working when we're on sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I watched the full game earlier - the blurry shots, the weird closeups, losing the ball, strange jerky panning - I can only assume he's pretty new to the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Those cameramen are seriously high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted September 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, Tuggin over Tomlin said: Yep it's just awful. No need for the constant zooming in and out. Here's hoping he isn't working when we're on sky. I just think it's inexcusable after five games. Why has it not been addressed? Has the cameraman man been told? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted September 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, Fiale said: I watched the full game earlier - the blurry shots, the weird closeups, losing the ball, strange jerky panning - I can only assume he's pretty new to the job. That's no excuse. You train to be a cameraman. You don't learn on the job when thousands of supporters from two clubs are relying on you to capture the action - not to mention the hundreds of thousands who will see the highlights on Sky, C5 etc. That's like sending around an apprentice electrician around to rewire your house on his first day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 11 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: That's no excuse. You train to be a cameraman. You don't learn on the job when thousands of supporters from two clubs are relying on you to capture the action - not to mention the hundreds of thousands who will see the highlights on Sky, C5 etc. That's like sending around an apprentice electrician around to rewire your house on his first day. Depends, its quite likely just the analyst who is filming this, and they could quite easily be under instruction to zoom in and out for certain things for the analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted September 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, hodge said: Depends, its quite likely just the analyst who is filming this, and they could quite easily be under instruction to zoom in and out for certain things for the analysis. Eh? The analyst is filming the game and the same footage is being used for broadcast? With respect I don't think that's the explanation. There is also absolutely no consistency to what is zoomed and what isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said: Eh? The analyst is filming the game and the same footage is being used for broadcast? With respect I don't think that's the explanation. There is also absolutely no consistency to what is zoomed and what isn't. More than likely otherwise you're asking someone like a cameraman to be there to film 90 minutes of which only 2-3 will be seen. Got people on my course who are first team analysts and they do the filming of matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: That's no excuse. You train to be a cameraman. You don't learn on the job when thousands of supporters from two clubs are relying on you to capture the action - not to mention the hundreds of thousands who will see the highlights on Sky, C5 etc. That's like sending around an apprentice electrician around to rewire your house on his first day. I was shocked to find out he didn't have a clue. Seriously, the camera should be zoomed out just to show off the home crowd and give some scale to how big the 'new' Gate is. From the current angle we might as well be at Twerton filming from a cherry-picker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted September 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, hodge said: More than likely otherwise you're asking someone like a cameraman to be there to film 90 minutes of which only 2-3 will be seen. Got people on my course who are first team analysts and they do the filming of matches. Adam Baker has said previously that the cameraman is provided by ITN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Adam Baker has said previously that the cameraman is provided by ITN. Fair enough, just seems strange to have 2 different people recording the same match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 11 minutes ago, hodge said: Fair enough, just seems strange to have 2 different people recording the same match. Mate you've got it wrong, all the footage you see is filmed by a professional, paid cameraman. Provided by ITN, which Channel 5 sort out. Quite frankly shocking footage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manon Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Awful. He needs to chill out. Stop trying to be clever. We just want a consistent view of the action using an appropriate level of zoom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardy Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Someone needs to check if the paid professional cameraman is actually their and hasn't got someone to cover him while he checks out the pubs in bs3! Amateurish camera work to say the least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 44 minutes ago, sephjnr said: I was shocked to find out he didn't have a clue. Seriously, the camera should be zoomed out just to show off the home crowd and give some scale to how big the 'new' Gate is. From the current angle we might as well be at Twerton filming from a cherry-picker. In all fairness he does at times, ground looks amazing on camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Had we conceded that goal, would people have blamed Ayling for being caught out of position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric04 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Am I alone in thinking it's ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Fiale said: I watched the full game earlier - the blurry shots, the weird closeups, losing the ball, strange jerky panning - I can only assume he's pretty new to the job. Where from ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Where from ? It's on player - there are 3 parts. Exteneded highlights, or the full match broken down into 1st and 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 25 minutes ago, Fiale said: In all fairness he does at times, ground looks amazing on camera. That's too far out to be decent viewing though. Would rather be able to see what's going on properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoPal Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Dreadful camera work again and again and after Adam Baker said he would be having a word. So, that clearly hasn't worked then. There is just no need to zoom in with jerky, reactionary panning, trying to guess which direction the ball might take and you also loose the wider field of play around the player in posession. Sure, zoom in on the players when they are celebrating or other dead ball situations briefly, but this low quality service that's being provided is a head-ache inducing mess. Just look at the other league club footage over the weekend to see the difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 9 hours ago, hodge said: That's too far out to be decent viewing though. Would rather be able to see what's going on properly. The view is better in person as your eyeball is not operating in wide angle panoramic view mode.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 What is he on? a ladder whilst holding a camcorder by the looks of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antman Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 It is terrible. It might be the camera isn't right for the job - the stand is a big old thing and it will need a decent lens to be both wide and tight on the shots. For me it looks like the camera is struggling on the close ups as he's on the limits of his zoom. ideally you have 2 (or 3 cameras ) one does what's called an Iso - and holds wide, the other does the close ups, but I suspect the budget for editing is nil, so they expect a one man operator to get the footage and deliver it without any other input. he / she would be better not going too tight on the shots and keeping it smoother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted September 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 7 minutes ago, Antman said: It is terrible. It might be the camera isn't right for the job - the stand is a big old thing and it will need a decent lens to be both wide and tight on the shots. For me it looks like the camera is struggling on the close ups as he's on the limits of his zoom. ideally you have 2 (or 3 cameras ) one does what's called an Iso - and holds wide, the other does the close ups, but I suspect the budget for editing is nil, so they expect a one man operator to get the footage and deliver it without any other input. he / she would be better not going too tight on the shots and keeping it smoother! Personally I think the camera should just hold the default live broadcast position, swing left and right to follow the play, and nothing more. Don't change the zoom at all. As you say, if you want close ups as well, use a second camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 It's awful, you can't see the play? First clip for example, Lee Tomlin has the ball, you can see the 2 players directly next to him but apart from that you don't have a clue what's going on? He's what.. 15 foot? away from the goal and you can't even see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 If we had a better camera setup, the highlights would be better to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: If we had a better camera setup, the highlights would be better to watch. You might be on to something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANWRENBCFC4LIFE Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Liverpool fans have the same problem with the main stand just finished. They've been less than impressed by the look on tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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