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Lanterne Rouge

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5 minutes ago, bs3 said:

Why put out he reserves ? We are mid table , pretty sure we are not going down , I don't believe we will go up so lets put our best team out and go on a cup run.

Putting a reserve team out in the 3rd round of the FA Cup is not on.

I`m with you on this, particularly if we can pick up 8-10 points before then.

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3 minutes ago, Londoner said:

Can see the team now

lucic

little-Moore-Flint-goldb

korey-brownhill

dowda-Engvall-patterson

wilbs.

I imagine that Bryan will play, as our second string LB. Plus we might have a youngster in there over Flint.

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4 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I'm sorry but that's nonsense. We only sold 16k for a game against a PL side with a place in the quarters at stake, albeit in the league cup.

No it's not . Why wouldn't every ST holder not buy a ticket. I know countless people who are priced out or put off at the prices. Sale a £10 ticket people will buy it.

Off the top of my head I know  at least a dozen people who don't attend every week and in some cases only once in a blue moon who would buy a £10 ticket for a Saturday 3pm Kick Off.  We can not under estimate the cost of going to football have on attendances.

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ChippenhamRed

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12 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

You said it....... "The League ****** Cup" !

Clearly the FA Cup is more attractive. But I can't believe that people who didn't want to watch a 4th round tie against Hull for £12 are going to suddenly want to watch Fleetwood just because it's the FA Cup.

When we played Telford a couple of years ago tickets were £12 and we got less than 7k. So 20k for Fleetwood/Shrews is clearly nonsense.

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47 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I'm sorry but that's nonsense. We only sold 16k for a game against a PL side with a place in the quarters at stake, albeit in the league cup.

Well, it was against Hull. And since the competition became the EFL Cup, it sounds like it's sponsored by a paramilitary organisation.

As for ticketing, in order to #PackTheGate, giving free tickets  to local schools would be a good idea.

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13 minutes ago, bs3 said:

No it's not . Why wouldn't every ST holder not buy a ticket. I know countless people who are priced out or put off at the prices. Sale a £10 ticket people will buy it.

Off the top of my head I know  at least a dozen people who don't attend every week and in some cases only once in a blue moon who would buy a £10 ticket for a Saturday 3pm Kick Off.  We can not under estimate the cost of going to football have on attendances.

£12 tickets against Hull. 16k.

£12 tickets against Telford. 7k

£10 tickets v West Brom. Made general sale despite 15k capacity.

£10 "bring a friend" deal against Blackburn. 21k, 6k empty seats and less than Newcastle/Villa at full price.

The Blackburn game in particular proves that price alone doesn't have the drastic impact on attendances we might hope for. Sorry but the facts speak for themselves.

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12 minutes ago, cynic said:

If its Fleetwood, then its a definite banana skin, Shrews are struggling big time.

But should have enough if LJ doesn't piss around with the team selection.

Attendance wise, many people were totally pissed off with his approach to the Hull game and all the changes made, so I wouldn't expect a bumper crowd - around 8k-10k I would think. He's ensured a few thousand won't attend.

 

I'm sure LJ will win a few hearts with strong vocal commitment to this tie & the FA cup..

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I do find it strange that some fans on here want us to play fringe players and yet when that happen against Hull there was an outcry at team selection. Got to feel sorry for LJ, he seems to be in a no win situation.

My view is play our best team, on our day we are capable of beating any team in the Championship (we have proved this) and I believe we are can beat  most teams in the bottom half of the Prem.  So here a revolutionary idea why not pick our best team and see how far we can get in the FA cup this year.

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4 minutes ago, bs3 said:

I do find it strange that some fans on here want us to play fringe players and yet when that happen against Hull there was an outcry at team selection. Got to feel sorry for LJ, he seems to be in a no win situation.

My view is play our best team, on our day we are capable of beating any team in the Championship (we have proved this) and I believe we are can beat  most teams in the bottom half of the Prem.  So here a revolutionary idea why not pick our best team and see how far we can get in the FA cup this year.

Hull was a prem team with a chance of a cup quarter final, here we are in the 3rd round v a league one team

 

slight difference.....

 

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Lanterne Rouge

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4 minutes ago, bs3 said:

I do find it strange that some fans on here want us to play fringe players and yet when that happen against Hull there was an outcry at team selection. Got to feel sorry for LJ, he seems to be in a no win situation.

My view is play our best team, on our day we are capable of beating any team in the Championship (we have proved this) and I believe we are can beat  most teams in the bottom half of the Prem.  So here a revolutionary idea why not pick our best team and see how far we can get in the FA cup this year.

Prepare yourself for one thing though. If, say, Flint doesn`t play has he been rested or don`t we want him cup tied?:ph34r:

You can`t beat a good matchday conspiracy rumour!

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3 minutes ago, bs3 said:

I do find it strange that some fans on here want us to play fringe players and yet when that happen against Hull there was an outcry at team selection. Got to feel sorry for LJ, he seems to be in a no win situation.

My view is play our best team, on our day we are capable of beating any team in the Championship (we have proved this) and I believe we are can beat  most teams in the bottom half of the Prem.  So here a revolutionary idea why not pick our best team and see how far we can get in the FA cup this year.

Hull was a completely different scenario. We were playing in the latter stages of a competition against a strong side. Most felt we needed to play our best side to beat them and reach the quarter finals of a cup competition for the first time in years. It was seen as a missed opportunity.

This is the 3rd round against weaker opposition. It's a game where we should be able to make a few changes and give other players needed game time. On this occasion I think the majority would accept and expect changes.

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7 minutes ago, bs3 said:

I do find it strange that some fans on here want us to play fringe players and yet when that happen against Hull there was an outcry at team selection. Got to feel sorry for LJ, he seems to be in a no win situation.

My view is play our best team, on our day we are capable of beating any team in the Championship (we have proved this) and I believe we are can beat  most teams in the bottom half of the Prem.  So here a revolutionary idea why not pick our best team and see how far we can get in the FA cup this year.

You believe we can beat most teams in the bottom half of the prem?   And we call the gas deluded ffs 

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12 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

£12 tickets against Hull. 16k.

£12 tickets against Telford. 7k

£10 tickets v West Brom. Made general sale despite 15k capacity.

£10 "bring a friend" deal against Blackburn. 21k, 6k empty seats and less than Newcastle/Villa at full price.

The Blackburn game in particular proves that price alone doesn't have the drastic impact on attendances we might hope for. Sorry but the facts speak for themselves.

Hull and West Brom evening matches ,Blackburn was not general sale but you had to buy a ticket through a ST and in many cases its becomes a bit of a pain.

Put the tickets on general sale for £10 with  enough time for fans to buy tickets  (before Christmas)  and a little bit of pro active from the media department , I'm convinced we get 20,000.

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3 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

You believe we can beat most teams in the bottom half of the prem?   And we call the gas deluded ffs 

"On our day we are capable of" is what he said. That's what I'd expect from a mid table championship team at home to a lower half Prem team.

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6 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

You believe we can beat most teams in the bottom half of the prem?   And we call the gas deluded ffs 

On our day with everyone playing well and with a bit of luck and in a one off match , yes we would have a good chance

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3 minutes ago, Aizoon said:

"On our day we are capable of" is what he said. That's what I'd expect from a mid table championship team at home to a lower half Prem team.

 

3 minutes ago, bs3 said:

On our day with everyone playing well and with a bit of luck and in a one off match , yes we would have a good chance

OK fair enough , i didn't read it properly. I thought you meant regularly.:laughcont:

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10 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Hull was a completely different scenario. We were playing in the latter stages of a competition against a strong side. Most felt we needed to play our best side to beat them and reach the quarter finals of a cup competition for the first time in years. It was seen as a missed opportunity.

This is the 3rd round against weaker opposition. It's a game where we should be able to make a few changes and give other players needed game time. On this occasion I think the majority would accept and expect changes.

If we play a weaken team in the 3rd round and lose , I think OTIB will go into melt down.

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8 minutes ago, bs3 said:

Hull and West Brom evening matches ,Blackburn was not general sale but you had to buy a ticket through a ST and in many cases its becomes a bit of a pain.

Put the tickets on general sale for £10 with  enough time for fans to buy tickets  (before Christmas)  and a little bit of pro active from the media department , I'm convinced we get 20,000.

I hate to say it, but, we won't get 10,000 let alone 20!

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8 minutes ago, bs3 said:

Hull and West Brom evening matches ,Blackburn was not general sale but you had to buy a ticket through a ST and in many cases its becomes a bit of a pain.

Put the tickets on general sale for £10 with  enough time for fans to buy tickets  (before Christmas)  and a little bit of pro active from the media department , I'm convinced we get 20,000.

Telford is the closest comparison. Small team at home in an early round. £12 tickets. We got 7k.

All the marketing in the world isn't going to turn Shrewsbury into Real Madrid. Good luck with your 20k.

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Nogbad the Bad

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An ideal draw. Home to a lower league team means we really should progress, and in the Cup that's all that matters.

No messing the fans around like the Hull game LJ, play a full strength team and let's make sure we win and win well.

Shrewsbury or Fleetwood fans will be coming to AG full of F.A.Cup fever expecting to see their team take on Bristol City FC, not our reserves.

And so will we.

This draw is the perfect platform for a Cup run, let's ensure we take it and hopefully put on a memorable performance to really entertain the AG crowd in the process.

 

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38 minutes ago, bs3 said:

No it's not . Why wouldn't every ST holder not buy a ticket. I know countless people who are priced out or put off at the prices. Sale a £10 ticket people will buy it.

Well I only know 3 ST holders and I doubt any of us will be buying a ticket - even at £10. It costs me more than that in fuel to get to the ground. Plus we are gonna play a weak team and have a poor record recently in the FA Cup.

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Only down side is win this game and our trip to Villa becomes a mid-week game.. As it's due to be played on FA cup 4th round day 

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12 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

I hate to say it, but, we won't get 10,000 let alone 20!

If I was in the media dept at BCFC, I would create demand , low tickets and a bit of intelligent advertising , try to create a buzz around the FA cup, only team in the West who is still in the completion etc.

If we sit back, keep saying it's a poor uninspiring drew and we should play our reserves in a competition no one cares for anymore  and there is no change to the pricing , yes then we will struggle to get 10,000.  Go the other way and see what happens!

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5 minutes ago, Squeak said:

Obviously our game won't be selected for TV so you'd assume it would be at 15:00 on the Saturday. However, it seems the Gas are at home in the league at that time. Will we be allowed to play at the same time?

Probably Have To play on the Sunday... but no one tv ...

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6 minutes ago, Squeak said:

Obviously our game won't be selected for TV so you'd assume it would be at 15:00 on the Saturday. However, it seems the Gas are at home in the league at that time. Will we be allowed to play at the same time?

They`re playing Northampton who are still in the cup (they have to play Stourbridge - game was postponed yesterday) but even if they do play the g*s Julie H was saying last week that each game is looked at on it`s merits and this I`m sure is one where we could both play at the same time. She as good as said that had they played Barrow on Saturday when we were playing Ipswich it would have been allowed.

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8 minutes ago, kivsy said:

Ten quid an adult , and a quid a kid. Is a good shout,. Get loads of kids in , give a few tickets to local schools , also students are home, local league football shut down.   I'm taking my lad and a couple of his mates.      

Me and a few dad's at my boy's u6 local football team are looking at this game to go to for a fun day out. 

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I think you'll see about half a full side. To be fair we have about 16 players that get regular game time. I'd expect Brownhill, Moore, O'Dowda and Engvall to get a go though. I'd take

Lucic

Little Flint Moore Bryan

Paterson Brownhill Pack O'Dowda

Wilbs Engvall

Id fully expect to win that as well. Teams that have taken El Abd and would've loved to have Wes Burns back. Tomlin and Tammy on the bench if we need them about an hour in. You have to give young players games and win games. It's a tough balance. I expect LJ will get it right though. 

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Personal view is whether reduced prices result in 20k, 10k or 2k, giving people access to City at a lower cost, when we've the chance, makes sense. How many there are, no idea, but struggle believe there's no-one for whom half price or lower wouldn't allow them to attend a match they otherwise couldn't afford. No idea if Bristol Sport are running complex pricing models, but doing the right thing even if not perfectly pushing the price optimisation frontier doesn't seem like a bad idea (to me). Guess we need permission from Shrewsbury/Fleetwood given receipts are shared?

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14 minutes ago, kivsy said:

Ten quid an adult , and a quid a kid. Is a good shout,. Get loads of kids in , give a few tickets to local schools , also students are home, local league football shut down.   I'm taking my lad and a couple of his mates.      

Nice idea but...

 

With gate receipts shared, we would have to pay both the FA and the opponents for these 'free' tickets (if my understanding of the rules are correct), likewise any discount to usual prices also have to be mutually agreed.

So expect fifteen quid adult, tenner concessions and maybe quid a kid.

Given that if it goes to a replay a similar pricing structure will be adopted.

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1 hour ago, bs3 said:

£10  a ticket for everyone , kids £1 a ticket we will sell well over 20,000.

I'm with you on this, but I'd go further, £5 a ticket for everyone aged 16+ and free entry for under 16s if accompanied by adults. 

Early January is a hard time for most after the pressure of spending loads at Xmas, so a price structure like this would be a great gesture by the club and it would almost certainly guarantee a pretty large attendance. 

We should do all we can to ensure a big crowd, then put out a full strength side and trounce the lower league side we will face.

We ain't gonna have an intensely exciting league campaign in my opinion, I think we'll lose as many as we win and end up around 14th, so we might as well have a real go in the FA Cup and at least get to the 4th round with a confident and professional performance on and off the pitch. 

I'd rather give fringe players game time in meaningless league games if and when we are safe from relegation - and not do it in the world's oldest and most famous cup competition and put our participation in jeopardy when that isn't a risk we need to take.

We have every chance of beating the Shrews or Fleetwood and then drawing the winners of (the mighty!) Barrow or Rochdale - that is as likely as any other scenario, so let's be sensible and take this competition incredibly seriously.

The Gas have shown us (joyfully!) what can happen when you play a lower side in a stadium (tented village?!) which is less than half full.

We must be determined to avoid that and fill the stands off the pitch and fill our boots on the pitch...

 

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6 minutes ago, bs3 said:

If I was in the media dept at BCFC, I would create demand , low tickets and a bit of intelligent advertising , try to create a buzz around the FA cup, only team in the West who is still in the completion etc.

If we sit back, keep saying it's a poor uninspiring drew and we should play our reserves in a competition no one cares for anymore  and there is no change to the pricing , yes then we will struggle to get 10,000.  Go the other way and see what happens!

Exactly, and it would also help if LJ comes out and states that the club will be taking the FA Cup extremely seriously and he'll be doing everything possible in terms of team selection to ensure we get through.

I expect thousands will already be thinking twice about attending further Cup games after being infuriated by his selection for the Hull match.

If the coach, by his team selection, seems half hearted about whether City progress in cups or not then the club should expect the same lukewarm response from the fans.

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10 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Nice idea but...

 

With gate receipts shared, we would have to pay both the FA and the opponents for these 'free' tickets (if my understanding of the rules are correct), likewise any discount to usual prices also have to be mutually agreed.

So expect fifteen quid adult, tenner concessions and maybe quid a kid.

Given that if it goes to a replay a similar pricing structure will be adopted.

This is true. However this will be a big game for them (who ever) so they will benefit from reduced prices. Free for kids will benefit them as they still take up coach seats etc.

From our perspective, clearly we will put out a changed team, however the likes of Brownhill and Odowda will have their chance as will Engval and Moore. 

Our reserves are pretty good for a match like this.

 

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26 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Exactly, and it would also help if LJ comes out and states that the club will be taking the FA Cup extremely seriously and he'll be doing everything possible in terms of team selection to ensure we get through.

I expect thousands will already be thinking twice about attending further Cup games after being infuriated by his selection for the Hull match.

If the coach, by his team selection, seems half hearted about whether City progress in cups or not then the club should expect the same lukewarm response from the fans.

Good grief, what a load of nonsense. Aside from the fact that the starting 11 included about 8/9 first teamers I very much doubt that 'thousands' were infuriated, particularly given the second half performance was probably our best in the whole of October!

On the subject of playing weakened teams in cup competitions though, out of interest, how many of our Championship rivals do you think will field full strength teams in R3 come January?

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16 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Good grief, what a load of nonsense. Aside from the fact that the starting 11 included about 8/9 first teamers I very much doubt that 'thousands' were infuriated, particularly given the second half performance was probably our best in the whole of November!

On the subject of playing weakened teams in cup competitions though, out of interest, how many of our Championship rivals do you think will field full strength teams in R3 come January?

Completely agree Kid. I don`t get this so called `infuriated` reaction from `thousands`. I certainly didn`t see it and thoroughly enjoyed the game. In fact I can`t recall anyone around me complaining about playing our `reserves`. We played some lovely stuff second half and it was probably the most exciting last ten I`ve seen all season.

I didn`t spend my whole 110 mile journey home feeling I`d been cheated in some way, I thought it was bloody good value for twelve quid.

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21 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Good grief, what a load of nonsense. Aside from the fact that the starting 11 included about 8/9 first teamers I very much doubt that 'thousands' were infuriated, particularly given the second half performance was probably our best in the whole of November!

On the subject of playing weakened teams in cup competitions though, out of interest, how many of our Championship rivals do you think will field full strength teams in R3 come January?

I agree with the general point, but there was a hell of a lot of moaning on here about the team selection for Hull.

Mostly from people who hadn't actually gone, but still....

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5 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Completely agree Kid. I don`t get this so called `infuriated` reaction from `thousands`. I certainly didn`t see it and thoroughly enjoyed the game. In fact I can`t recall anyone around me complaining about playing our `reserves`. We played some lovely stuff second half and it was probably the most exciting last ten I`ve seen all season.

I didn`t spend my whole 110 mile journey home feeling I`d been cheated in some way, I thought it was bloody good value for twelve quid.

In the echo chamber that is OTIB it only takes one person on a match day thread to state how infuriated they are with the team selection, from the comfort of their bedroom, for all hell to break lose.

Fact is, those of us there saw 11 players (8 of which are first teamers) desperate to win for the club and put in a really spirited second half display whilst also seeing exciting glimpses from Engvall, Moore and McCoulsky when he came on. I'm sure we'll see those players involved again in the FA Cup this season.

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1 hour ago, Malago said:

Even at £10 a ticket will struggle to get 12/13000.

Fair enough, but if that's the case we have zero right to laugh, like many of us did, at the 4k gasheads who turned up at their FA cup tie yesterday. If we get the pricing structure right (I'd go with £5 for adults, kids free) then we could get a really healthy crowd.

Newcastle got 50k at home for a midweek league cup tie against a team from the same division in a city with a far lower population than ours...

 

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Would suggest that with the draw , both in terms of our tie and a few all prem ties there already looks like it could be a year for a Championship side to get to , or close to, Wembley

IF we take the Cup seriously and with a tad of fortune draw wise this could be a year for us to have a run

Personally I don't think we are good enough at present to make Play Offs and if I was SL or LJ I'd be eyeing a serious approach to the FA Cup this Year

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32 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Would suggest that with the draw , both in terms of our tie and a few all prem ties there already looks like it could be a year for a Championship side to get to , or close to, Wembley

IF we take the Cup seriously and with a tad of fortune draw wise this could be a year for us to have a run

Personally I don't think we are good enough at present to make Play Offs and if I was SL or LJ I'd be eyeing a serious approach to the FA Cup this Year

We may have little chance of success in either endeavour but have to give both our best shot .... or else what's the point of being in it?  You have, as they say, got to be in it to win it....

Why else would any of us buy the occasional  lottery ticket, scratch card, have a bet 'against the odds' ..... Cardiff proved it can be done a couple of years ago, Bournemouth proved it can be done (with a bit of extra luck of course) Leicester... well enough said....  We are in it, we pays our money lets take our chances, pointless if we dont give it a go. Try telling Barrow dreams dont come true..

 

PS..  Hull ain't gonna realistically 'win it' but ultimately their little win over us (in an unexpectedly highly exciting game when it got going btw ) has won them and their fans probably everyones dream draw of home and away games against Man Utd... it ain't always about lifting the trophy at Wembley.

 

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LJ says he's taking it seriously and he's going to play the strongest 11.

We lose 1-0 in a drab scrappy affair with Tomlin sent off and an injury to Freeman who by this tie has proved himself to be 'on fire' since popping his Ashton Gate cherry.

 

Anything better than the above scenario will do me fine thanks, getting a lower division team is hardly ever good.

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24 minutes ago, WhistleHappy said:

We may have little chance of success in either endeavour but have to give both our best shot .... or else what's the point of being in it?  You have, as they say, got to be in it to win it....

Why else would any of us buy the occasional  lottery ticket, scratch card, have a bet 'against the odds' ..... Cardiff proved it can be done a couple of years ago, Bournemouth proved it can be done (with a bit of extra luck of course) Leicester... well enough said....  We are in it, we pays our money lets take our chances, pointless if we dont give it a go. Try telling Barrow dreams dont come true..

 

PS..  Hull ain't gonna realistically 'win it' but ultimately their little win over us (in an unexpectedly highly exciting game when it got going btw ) has won them and their fans probably everyones dream draw of home and away games against Man Utd... it ain't always about lifting the trophy at Wembley.

 

Being a little harsh on Hull I think. Past few years they've been a really good cup team but I get your point. 

Personally I don't think you can plan for anything in a season anyway. Just take it one game at a time. For this one, I'd use it as an opportunity to play a few younger guys. If we get through and draw someone tougher, I play a team I think suits it. If that makes sense. I don't know about playoffs or a cup run and neither does anyone else. Take it a game at a time and bring your squad along as you seem fit. 

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