reddoc Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 I just don't get the logic. Not yours, just in general. Clubs know roughly what we have to spend and what sort of sums historically we're likely to part with. They'll have a valuation for reach of their players and if we come close enough they'll try and push us for a bit more, Which is natural. Similarly I'm confused by the idea that we might alert other clubs to our targets. Don't they have their own? Or is it a question of them saying, BC have bid for an individual, completely forgot about him, he's quite good , maybe we should too? I accept there's more too it, but I'm just not convinced that the cloak and dagger stuff adds up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted December 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 47 minutes ago, BigTone said: Why ? A combination of bearded_red and GasDestroyer's posts can sum it up. MA was full of it earlier in the season regarding our long term plan, our infrastructure, our recruitment and our coaching. He's been near on silent recently. If you're going to be a mouthpiece for the club, you have to do so during the bad and the good times. At the moment a large contingent of our fan base seem very disenchanted with things - MA needs to assure those fans before we have things turning really sour at AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 3 hours ago, bs3 said: Long term plan is all very well but when you 12 months into a football plan and you going backwards, it's not unreasonable to have a rethink and take stock. I thought it was quite simple really, we are putting in place development plans that should see the club on a sounder footing in years to come, making us sustainable and hopefully, competitive without relying on SL's fortune. We are also having a blip on the field right now. So we resolve the blip without destroying what has been put in place for the future. We have a proper stadium, and investing in the future, the Club really is moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted December 27, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 6 hours ago, Chappers said: Didn't make any reference to that at all, just pointing out that we have a very sensible long-term plan, and not to blow that as part of a short term fix. Based on what? There is nothing short term looking good so why think anything long term will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 Maybe after 38 years watching City I should learn! Then again, so many of our problems have been caused by chasing short term success. What we are looking at doing will be great, if it works, but will take time. The danger is that a long term plan gets overlooked as we try and sort out the current difficulties. On field, few small issues, Tammy needs help, lack of pace, too few goals from midfield, suspect at the back, yet only losing by the odd goal, missing chances and generally looking as though confidence returning would solve a few of these. Im not in major panic mode, I've seen us a lot worse, and see what comes in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 IMO you just have to look at how long it took us to sort out the last car crash that the club had become, we`ve only really emerged from that in the last two/three years. I`m happy to go with the slow & steady approach now as I don`t want to go back to the club free falling to league two with a squad full of overpaid, over the hill wasters and it taking years to recover again. If that means we finish 16th-19th this season, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 12 hours ago, OddBallJim said: A combination of bearded_red and GasDestroyer's posts can sum it up. MA was full of it earlier in the season regarding our long term plan, our infrastructure, our recruitment and our coaching. He's been near on silent recently. If you're going to be a mouthpiece for the club, you have to do so during the bad and the good times. At the moment a large contingent of our fan base seem very disenchanted with things - MA needs to assure those fans before we have things turning really sour at AG. Ok, but maybe he is busy working away in the background to get something concrete in place before opening his mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 Maybe he's trying to do his job instead of trying to appease the baying mob who have the knives out for anyone and anything connected with the club at the moment and would only accuse him of spouting meaningless platitiudes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted December 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 5 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Maybe he's trying to do his job instead of trying to appease the baying mob who have the knives out for anyone and anything connected with the club at the moment and would only accuse him of spouting meaningless platitiudes? That's fine. I'm just concerned that AG is going to be a deeply divided place at the moment going by some of the arguments and animosity on here between fans. It's all very well getting the fanbase to buy into your "project" at the start, but when it starts nose-diving down the crapper that's when you really have to be able to get the fans onside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 48 minutes ago, OddBallJim said: That's fine. I'm just concerned that AG is going to be a deeply divided place at the moment going by some of the arguments and animosity on here between fans. It's all very well getting the fanbase to buy into your "project" at the start, but when it starts nose-diving down the crapper that's when you really have to be able to get the fans onside. I wouldn't disagree with any of that. I just have the feeling that if he did come out and say something, whatever he said would be the wrong thing as far as some people are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamalagerdrinker Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 Saw him on the train home after the Huddersfield game, was talking to some Charlton fans about LJ and he tapped me on the arm and told me to stick up for him while he walked into first class. Pretty hard to do that at the moment but I love LJ & MA and think they can pull off a good January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 20 hours ago, Redandy said: What quality player will join a team in free fall with a manager who does not know what his best team is and seems incapable of resolving problems or stopping the rot. I thought the point was players in this window would be joining a team on the up. Ashton has one hell of a job persuading players of that. A player who buys the vision of a club in progress . A stable ownership , a shiny new stadium and facilities . A potential for glory and 20000 fans at home and a hearty vocal away support following his team. A good financial package . A lovely part of the world to live and raise a family . A great team spirit . Possibility to perform well and eventually get a transfer to a bigger club . Let's face it ,there are thousands of pro footballers around the world who would be more than happy to try their luck at BCFC , we just have to find them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 16 hours ago, OddBallJim said: A combination of bearded_red and GasDestroyer's posts can sum it up. MA was full of it earlier in the season regarding our long term plan, our infrastructure, our recruitment and our coaching. He's been near on silent recently. If you're going to be a mouthpiece for the club, you have to do so during the bad and the good times. At the moment a large contingent of our fan base seem very disenchanted with things - MA needs to assure those fans before we have things turning really sour at AG. May be he's just so busy lining up deals that he does n't have time for interviews . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 19 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: A player who buys the vision of a club in progress . A stable ownership , a shiny new stadium and facilities . A potential for glory and 20000 fans at home and a hearty vocal away support following his team. A good financial package . A lovely part of the world to live and raise a family . A great team spirit . Possibility to perform well and eventually get a transfer to a bigger club . Let's face it ,there are thousands of pro footballers around the world who would be more than happy to try their luck at BCFC , we just have to find them . Good points Major, but trying to sell BCFC to Footballers of Championship quality already, is easier said than done. We've done well with a few coming here, and LJ and his newish team have some good links, far better than we've had before, especially with bigger Premiership sides...plus our Scouting abroad is far better than it has ever been. We've a history of underachieving, being a yo yo club and struggling. Plus having an image of being a 'nice club' that pays well. We've had so many come here in the past, take a wage and go through the motions. Any Championship quality player with years ahead of him, will question all of that, and understandably so. We've picked up GoN...for experience and at the end of his career...the same with Wilbs. Tomlin a 'Maverick' like JET...paid good money with a team built around him. Tammy bought in on loan with a provision that he has to play. Look at the rest of the squad and they all have 'potential' or frailties. Based on that...if you were a Championship or Prem league player with ambition, why would you come to BCFC? We are also known for having a very fickle and delusional fan base...having spoke to Agent friends, these are all issues that they have spoken of with potential players coming here. You've only got to read this forum to understand the last sentence....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 Well of course we should be in the Premiership, we have spent the last 30 years yo-yoing between second and third tiers and have made the Play Offs once. The sort of pedigree every player looks at! Sadly that's the reality, out attendances are mid table, and the continued over-looking by Sky just confirms that we are not yet seen as a big club. We just have to consolidate and make steady progress. We could throw cash around, but we have tried that and it gives you initial hope, followed by disappointment, then a few extra years at the third level! Let's just enjoy the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: A player who buys the vision of a club in progress . A stable ownership , a shiny new stadium and facilities . A potential for glory and 20000 fans at home and a hearty vocal away support following his team. A good financial package . A lovely part of the world to live and raise a family . A great team spirit . Possibility to perform well and eventually get a transfer to a bigger club . Let's face it ,there are thousands of pro footballers around the world who would be more than happy to try their luck at BCFC , we just have to find them . The trouble is, a lot of them would rather be spit roasting teenagers in da hood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 hour ago, spudski said: Good points Major, but trying to sell BCFC to Footballers of Championship quality already, is easier said than done. We've done well with a few coming here, and LJ and his newish team have some good links, far better than we've had before, especially with bigger Premiership sides...plus our Scouting abroad is far better than it has ever been. We've a history of underachieving, being a yo yo club and struggling. Plus having an image of being a 'nice club' that pays well. We've had so many come here in the past, take a wage and go through the motions. Any Championship quality player with years ahead of him, will question all of that, and understandably so. We've picked up GoN...for experience and at the end of his career...the same with Wilbs. Tomlin a 'Maverick' like JET...paid good money with a team built around him. Tammy bought in on loan with a provision that he has to play. Look at the rest of the squad and they all have 'potential' or frailties. Based on that...if you were a Championship or Prem league player with ambition, why would you come to BCFC? We are also known for having a very fickle and delusional fan base...having spoke to Agent friends, these are all issues that they have spoken of with potential players coming here. You've only got to read this forum to understand the last sentence....... I bet our fan base is no more fickle and delusional than any other! Pretty much all fanbases are thus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted December 27, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: May be he's just so busy lining up deals that he does n't have time for interviews . Priceless, clearly takes so long to do a small interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 45 minutes ago, phantom said: Priceless, clearly takes so long to do a small interview What would the point be ? Why would he ? What do you expect him to say ? That we are working hard to get new players in for Jan and some may leave ? I think LJ has already said that and we all know it anyway . He is castigated for giving interviews then again for not giving interviews, poor bugger can't win . Do you think he'd divulge our targets and negotiating strategy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 21 hours ago, Chappers said: Didn't make any reference to that at all, just pointing out that we have a very sensible long-term plan, and not to blow that as part of a short term fix. What's the plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 hour ago, AshtonGreat said: What's the plan? Europa League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 11 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said: Europa League? Haha maybe on the PlayStation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 When MA came to the club, a lot of us criticised he corporate BS, and wanted him to let his deals do the talking for him. In fairness, after this gobby start, with the window (old system) out of the way, he stepped into the shadows, until the summer window, when in fairness (again) he did a good job. The players haven't performed how we hoped (in the main), but some are for the future too. Pluses: Tammy, Hordur Minuses: Ekstand (through Injury), Matthews (although glimpses of late) In Between: O'Neil (great start, but tailed off), Tomlin (we all expected more), Paterson, Lucic (played ahead of expectation) Not Been Given Enough of a Chance: Engvall, O'Dowda, Moore Some of you will argue with these, but essentially MA did his job. As per another post, we need a Champ version of Wade Elliott - that might be GON, if he can recapture his early season form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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