NorfolkInChance Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, glynriley said: No they're not Liverpool, but like it or not, they are superior to us at the moment. We had a game plan that stifled them (remember Chelsea winning the Champions League?) We had the game in tha palm of our hands, the tatics were working, then LJ made a dafty sub and it all went south. Nobody on here would give a shiny shite about Readings superior posession stats if we'd won. In fact, you'd probably have certain posters crowing about how good a tactician LJ is. I would give a shite and it sums up how happy many of us are to accept where we are and put up with this mediocrity (at best). Comparing Reading to Liverpool and then some tripe are out Chelsea in the Champions League is balls - this is the Championship not the Champions League and I say again that was Reading - not all of us are happy to settle for playing second fiddle to them unfortunately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: It seemed an odd move, but Reid ought to have been able to do the basics correctly. I agree, however asking the kid to play out of position when you had a perfectly viable option that is fit for purpose for the role sitting right next to him is unforgivable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, NorfolkInChance said: I would give a shite and it sums up how happy many of us are to accept where we are and put up with this mediocrity (at best). Comparing Reading to Liverpool and then some tripe are out Chelsea in the Champions League is balls - this is the Championship not the Champions League and I say again that was Reading - not all of us are happy to settle for playing second fiddle to them unfortunately... I've not compared Reading to Liverpool, merely the posession they enjoyed whilst losing to Burnley. The Chelsea thing was an example of an inferior* team winning against the odds, whilst sticking to a game plan. We abandoned our plan after 70 odd minutes, and lost. None of us are happy. * tables don't lie squire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexPest Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, shelts said: Maybe SL should take his ball home.....let's see how good a club we are then Couldn't get much worse, frankly. LJ is just a sideshow as far as I'm concerned - Lansdown, Ashton et al shoulder most of the blame. Sacking LJ is just kicking the can down the road, heads need to roll at the very highest level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said: Yea taking him and O'Dowda off was a mistake for me. He was clearly highly uncomfortable and had a huge ice pack on his side when he took his seat after coming off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, RedLionLad said: 28% possession at home tells a story. A team that's lost 8 out of 9 and a team 3rd in the league adds some context though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkInChance Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, glynriley said: I've not compared Reading to Liverpool, merely the posession they enjoyed whilst losing to Burnley. The Chelsea thing was an example of an inferior* team winning against the odds, whilst sticking to a game plan. We abandoned our plan after 70 odd minutes, and lost. None of us are happy. * tables don't lie squire. You're right about the tables Mucker... if we had of won that game I would have felt embarrassed - we didn't even manage that so like a lot of others I'm annoyed.. I understand your point of view - the fact that we feel inferior to them in our Managers/supporters eyes is shocking. We played them off the park at times at their place so why did we have to give them so much respect today? For something that is apparently all down to fine margins it seems odd to have to chop and change formation and personnel based on the opposition every week. Football is really quite a simple game that is being over complicated by fools with PowerPoint presentations - that's not being naive just showing a bit of passion which seems to be lacking all over this club at the moment. If we've spent all that money in the summer and are still in awe of the mighty Reading there is no hope for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, AzerbaijanApeman said: Couldn't get much worse, frankly. LJ is just a sideshow as far as I'm concerned - Lansdown, Ashton et al shoulder most of the blame. Sacking LJ is just kicking the can down the road, heads need to roll at the very highest level. Who do u suggest replaces SL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: He was clearly highly uncomfortable and had a huge ice pack on his side when he took his seat after coming off. Cheers. I've been told he came off injured which I was unaware of. Thought he walked off quite slowly but thought it was us time wasting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Being happy to accept less than a third of the possession AT HOME isn't good enough. It's a basic admission that we are nowhere near as good as Reading. It is how you would expect us to set up against a top 6 Premiership side!!! Basically we set up for a point, scored two goals due to pub team defending of the most laughable kind by Reading and then the obvious happened in the last half hour. Bryan and Brownhill were knackered from constantly chasing the ball and Reading's patience paid off as they got the inevitable win. The constant chopping and changing is doing us no favours either. You can't put a positive spin on today.....we need four players including a half decent goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexPest Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, shelts said: Who do u suggest replaces SL? I honestly don't have an answer to that question, but he's culpable for our current predicament IMO; when we're in an almost identical position to 12 months ago then you need to scrutinize those responsible for the hiring and firing. Those who want LJ out can throw around names of managers they want to replace him but how many of them would realistically come to us. Do you think we have a reputation among managers as a good place to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbespm Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Fuber said: Should I apply if he gets sacked? I feel like I'd be up for the task. I studied finance, know FFP, got a coaching badge and spent the past 4 years playing downs league. And I'm 22, so I'm up and coming. Are you any good with fine margins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Anyway, Ashton just needs to buy a new crate of DNA in the transfer window and it will all come good in the end!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, AzerbaijanApeman said: I honestly don't have an answer to that question, but he's culpable for our current predicament IMO; when we're in an almost identical position to 12 months ago then you need to scrutinize those responsible for the hiring and firing. Those who want LJ out can throw around names of managers they want to replace him but how many of them would realistically come to us. Do you think we have a reputation among managers as a good place to work? Which football chairman/chief exec gets every hiring decision right? Name them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, AzerbaijanApeman said: I honestly don't have an answer to that question, but he's culpable for our current predicament IMO; when we're in an almost identical position to 12 months ago then you need to scrutinize those responsible for the hiring and firing. Those who want LJ out can throw around names of managers they want to replace him but how many of them would realistically come to us. Do you think we have a reputation among managers as a good place to work? Good post. Good place to work yes, far too much expectation from fans about being a big club. Good stadium. Good training facilities. Funds available . Great support if not a little fickle. Could the problem be at the top.....yes. Could we bag a big name, no unless he was given she'd loads of cash. Who is a realistic target if LJ gets the boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerk Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 hours ago, 29AR said: Inept was having a makeshift CB in Matthews (who actually wasn't that bad!) and not having a CB - perhaps an England u19 captain CB(!) - on the bench. Inexcusable, incomprehensible, unintelligible, and totally disrespectful in the name of sending him on loan. He'd have been ripe to come on at 60mins. What are you talking about? Matthews was ******* terrible today. And Flint is the most overrated player in City history. Sack the fat cockney waiter the 2nd NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 SL is here to stay and I for one am damn glad of it. As for some others?? 27 minutes ago, AzerbaijanApeman said: Couldn't get much worse, frankly. LJ is just a sideshow as far as I'm concerned - Lansdown, Ashton et al shoulder most of the blame. Sacking LJ is just kicking the can down the road, heads need to roll at the very highest level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I've just checked and we have conceded goals in the last ten minutes seven times in the last nine matches. I put that down to bad man management and the captain and coach must take responsibility. It's the sign of a team in deep trouble - we had it before under SC I think. SL needs to give the whole squad a rollicking about it - the game is not over until the final whistle, makes me so cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, REDOXO said: SL is here to stay and I for one am damn glad of it. As for some others?? Some fans just go on amazing me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Daniro said: I've just checked and we have conceded goals in the last ten minutes seven times in the last nine matches. I put that down to bad man management and the captain and coach must take responsibility. It's the sign of a team in deep trouble - we had it before under SC I think. SL needs to give the whole squad a rollicking about it - the game is not over until the final whistle, makes me so cross. Yeah strange fact that is, where did it all change? Earlier in the season we were finishing off games really strongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redapple Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Abysmal substitutions. Took off players who were putting in good shifts for one playing out of position and completely lost on the right and another who was woeful and not needed at 2-0 up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, stokes7 said: I didn't think we were very good even at 2-0 I mean ffs it actually took a mark little challenge to get the team going we were far too deep from the first minute of the game and got deeper as the game went on bringing Reid on was very baffling as I know o'dowda was injured but Reid is not a wide right midfielder and does not have the work rate we were needing at that stage again Tammy was isolated all game with no support and the more the game went on the deeper and deeper we were, and once reading got the first there was only gonna be one winner just gutted never put some money on it :-p because I think everyone except Johnson could see it The idea was to play on the break . To hit sides on the break you need to encourage them to open up . A problem we had , earlier in the season was that teams visiting Ashton Gate would ' Park the Bus ' and hit us on the break as we were too open . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipflopcity Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I agree with most of the posters that the wrong substitutions caused the loss.. O’dowda was injured when brought down for the pen so IMO it would have been smarter to bring on Engvald to take the roll of Freeman and use Freeman in the O’dowda roll. Reid looked out of it and with Wilbs not wanting to run around we were short in defence. I think LJ is very worried and is making lots of mistakes .. hope he keeps his nerve !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 24 minutes ago, clerk said: What are you talking about? Matthews was ******* terrible today. And Flint is the most overrated player in City history. Sack the fat cockney waiter the 2nd NOW! Don't agree with that. Matthews was actually rather decent in the role, particularly when given the allowance of being out of position. Still he should never have been selected there. Little was rather strong in RB position and should edge AM out of there for the Cardiff game. Flint I think is overrated by many. But that doesn't mean I think he's not up to this standard, rather I think he is a lower-half championship player. Frankly if you're at home with 35 mins left and resort to time wasting and negative tactics of trying to soak everything up, whilst low on confidence and the first goal goes in early, there is an inevitability in the end. LJ's in-game management was poor today. Upon the second goal going in we should have brought on Tomlin. Reading were deflated and him coming on doing his stuff would have wound them up. I honestly think he would have picked them off as they expanded and we could have looked at a bigger margin of victory. Instead we set out to shut up shop and if it goes 2-1 early enough, as it did, there really was only one outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipflopcity Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Thatch35 said: Well kind of agree. But being at 2-1 some sort of outlet upfront to take thw pressure off was needed. City stayed as two banks and let reading build and build the pressure. The end result was so predictable. City's goals were against the play and very lucky. Strange home tactics at home that were working .Freeman & O'dowda were the key outlet from defence with tammy ready to pounce.. when we took them off we allowed Reading to put untold pressure on our defence which were then liite because Wilbs was sitting mid centre and not occupying anyone. When Corey Smith gestured for Wilbs to come back and help defend he flatly refused.. they scored soon after.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Nomad said: I saw it more of a 4-6 for most of the 2nd half. More like 9-1 for the last 20 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 The OP suggests that SL was in the dressing room but then gives no evidence or mention of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 hours ago, glynriley said: Disagree with that. We looked like we had a plan for a change, pack the midfield... You obviously intended no pun, but I wish Pack had been in our midfield.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 hours ago, RedLionLad said: 28% possession at home tells a story. Didn't deserve to get a point really Disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: The OP suggests that SL was in the dressing room but then gives no evidence or mention of this? I listened to the radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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