JHAGa Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: SC couldn't change a team formation if his life depended on it. Have you forgotten why pemberton made an instant impact? The formation wasn't the problem, did you forget the season before? The problem was the board completely abandoned him and left him out to dry. He grew tired of this and was admittedly too stubborn at times when not fielding youngsters, but it was to get a point across. Before the summer of 13/14 SC would praise the board constantly. They completely screwed him over - the man that had won us two trophies and got us 99 points the season beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, NickJ said: You really think somebody as successful as SC was for us, on a roll, with a tightly knit group of players who thought very highly of him, and had total respect for him, lost his mojo for no reason? In a normal job situation he would probably have had an employment tribunal case for constructive dismissal. And no that is not an exaggeration. I'm afraid it is. As much as I love the bloke and wish it would have gone right for him, he left at the right time and in generous circumstances. Anywhere else and the outcome may have been very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Couldn't agree more. Can you imagine is Cotts would've been given the support of the board and MA in from the summer? And all the while he has been sitting at home, relaxing, whilst being paid £4K a week by the board that sacked him. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kim_il_sung said: Well off the mark imho. It was Cotterill himself plus the board that destroyed everything we'd built in our title season with that awful summer. One permanant signing, the likes or JET and Cunningham let go with no real replacement and utterly pointless loan signings like Robinson and Cox. The damage had already been done by the time LJ came in. We were being ripped to shreds and would often be dead and buried in a game by half time. Things were just as shambolic, poisonous and hopeless as they are now. Appointing Johnson has just seen things go from already very bad to even worse. I do however believe our squad now is much stronger than it was 12 months ago so theres that. I disagree Kim....he wanted to only bring in better players, not pad the squad out. We've brought too many in under LJ. There was the basis of a decent squad, albeit small, here. Lets take Greg - 2nd choice to Bryan (whether rightly or wrongly)....wants to play. At least Cotts was honest with him. JET - out of contract, wouldnt play unless injuries. Cotts saved this club loads of money by utilising his resources in a match day squad, rather than paying out fees and wages to players not going to get in his 18 (17, 16 ). Yeah, might've got Cox wrong, Robinson was a youth loan. Baker, Bennett were good. Moore, unfortunately injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: I disagree Kim....he wanted to only bring in better players, not pad the squad out. We've brought too many in under LJ. There was the basis of a decent squad, albeit small, here. Lets take Greg - 2nd choice to Bryan (whether rightly or wrongly)....wants to play. At least Cotts was honest with him. JET - out of contract, wouldnt play unless injuries. Cotts saved this club loads of money by utilising his resources in a match day squad, rather than paying out fees and wages to players not going to get in his 18 (17, 16 ). Yeah, might've got Cox wrong, Robinson was a youth loan. Baker, Bennett were good. Moore, unfortunately injured. What about Fredericks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, oldstandrobin said: best one tricker I have seen since AD's day.....wouldnt mind a few years again of those one tricks The same trick which gave him success took him down when we went up a division. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 48 minutes ago, Griffin said: This is not a defend SC post, it's just disgusting how what we had is completely gone. A great rebuild of random players that clearly aren't singing from the same sheet and don't look like they even know each other. We had a unit, a year of success, team spirit & club bonding gave us great foundations to push on in the Championship. Obviously, we know how that went, but in recent months all signs of the 'team' we once had is gone. I know we needed improvements, like every team, but it's just not been done right. That's what hurts the most for me, we aren't a tight group anymore & I can't see how we recover from it with LJ at the helm. Who hired LJ ? Who ultimately takes responsability ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Emperor Palpatine said: What about Fredericks? Dunno, had a punch up didn't he? Been a regular at Fulham, so the right player to play RWB. I don't mention every player. I'll call you and raise you Kodjia. i'm biased, I loved Cotts....rightly or wrongly. Happy if you think that clouds my judgement. You'll have read my posts, I've been hugely supportive of LJ. No manager is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Major Isewater said: Who hired LJ ? Who ultimately takes responsability ? Good question. Mark Ashton is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider_boy Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: 4 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Who hired LJ ? Who ultimately takes responsability ? Good question. Mark Ashton is the answer. Yet, Ashton seems to have made a huge difference in the running of the club and getting the signings in. Ain't easy this, is it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 49 minutes ago, MattRSp95 said: Can you imagine that! Be fighting over the system, the subs to nearly everything LJ wouldn't even shake his hand on TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Dunno, had a punch up didn't he? Been a regular at Fulham, so the right player to play RWB. I don't mention every player. I'll call you and raise you Kodjia. i'm biased, I loved Cotts....rightly or wrongly. Happy if you think that clouds my judgement. You'll have read my posts, I've been hugely supportive of LJ. No manager is perfect. I respect your posts sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I hated the decision to sack Steve as I thought he could have improved us given improvements in the transfer market which he never got unlike Lee, however it would be interesting to see who was praising Lee for the work he did saving this clubs status In the Championship vs the same people wanting him out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just a reminder that when Cotts was sacked - a year ago last week - we were 2 places below where we are now, he'd not been able to recruit anyone during the summer as he'd obsessed on players who were not willing to come here, we were trying to survive with the smallest squad in the Championship, playing the same formation every single match - making us the easiest team to suss out for all our opponents. In the rush to call for LJ's sacking, we mustn't make Cotterill's time in the Championship out to be some sort of golden age. It was dire. He had the skills and drive to blast us out of L1 but grew complacent and f-d up royally at this level. Talk of his "legacy" is laughable. Johnson would have taken over a L1 side if Cotts hadn't gone when he did. It's right that the Johnson experiment is ended now, but he's hardly shattered some team of galacticos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 SC destroyed everything SC built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 The squad is decent. We should be top half but have the wrong manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS10 RED Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Sorry but i still believe if SC was given the backing like LJ has had we would be in the play offs right about now. What was SC given in the summer after winning league 1. What 3mill!!!! LJ has had 3/4 times more than that and were no better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, cityboy99 said: Sorry but i still believe if SC was given the backing like LJ has had we would be in the play offs right about now. What was SC given in the summer after winning league 1. What 3mill!!!! LJ has had 3/4 times more than that and were no better off. He put offers in of 7m and 9m but the players didn't want to come here. The reality is, Cotterill thought the players he had would be good enoug, but he was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAGa Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, cityboy99 said: Sorry but i still believe if SC was given the backing like LJ has had we would be in the play offs right about now. What was SC given in the summer after winning league 1. What 3mill!!!! LJ has had 3/4 times more than that and were no better off. And what a player he did bring in. I know Kodjia was especially thankful to SC for helping him progress as a player. Just imagine if we could have got the Gray deal over the line too. What could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, cityboy99 said: Sorry but i still believe if SC was given the backing like LJ has had we would be in the play offs right about now. What was SC given in the summer after winning league 1. What 3mill!!!! LJ has had 3/4 times more than that and were no better off. Pemberton turned SCs turd into a silk purse. Painful when your deputy is better than you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, cityboy99 said: Sorry but i still believe if SC was given the backing like LJ has had we would be in the play offs right about now. What was SC given in the summer after winning league 1. What 3mill!!!! LJ has had 3/4 times more than that and were no better off. You can believe that all you like. Unfortunately the evidence points the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS10 RED Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said: He put offers in of 7m and 9m but the players didn't want to come here. The reality is, Cotterill thought the players he had would be good enoug, but he was wrong. Ok he had backing of the transfer fee but we all know players of that value ain't gonna come with the wages cap we offer. Now i'm not saying we should offer players over the top wages again and put ourselves in trouble again. But if we offered just a couple players the money they wanted.. Rumour has it that Dwight Gayle would of come but we offered 3k short a week of his asking price. Now whats 3k a week for a player of his quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, cityboy99 said: Ok he had backing of the transfer fee but we all know players of that value ain't gonna come with the wages cap we offer. Now i'm not saying we should offer players over the top wages again and put ourselves in trouble again. But if we offered just a couple players the money they wanted.. Rumour has it that Dwight Gayle would of come but we offered 3k short a week of his asking price. Now whats 3k a week for a player of his quality. Dwight Gayle said he never at any point wanted to come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS10 RED Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said: Dwight Gayle said he never at any point wanted to come here. Sorry your right i meant Gray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 48 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I disagree Kim....he wanted to only bring in better players, not pad the squad out. We've brought too many in under LJ. There was the basis of a decent squad, albeit small, here. Lets take Greg - 2nd choice to Bryan (whether rightly or wrongly)....wants to play. At least Cotts was honest with him. JET - out of contract, wouldnt play unless injuries. Cotts saved this club loads of money by utilising his resources in a match day squad, rather than paying out fees and wages to players not going to get in his 18 (17, 16 ). Yeah, might've got Cox wrong, Robinson was a youth loan. Baker, Bennett were good. Moore, unfortunately injured. I agree too many in. He had his talisman. Most of us expected to build a team around Tomlin why would we pay all that if were not going to do that. I'm afraid. LJ didn't have the experience or skill to play and manage a bloke like this. GJ point blank refused to. In GJ Speak Tomlin is a luxury player and LJ is almost saying the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears in rain Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 34 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Just a reminder that when Cotts was sacked - a year ago last week - we were 2 places below where we are now, he'd not been able to recruit anyone during the summer as he'd obsessed on players who were not willing to come here, we were trying to survive with the smallest squad in the Championship, playing the same formation every single match - making us the easiest team to suss out for all our opponents. In the rush to call for LJ's sacking, we mustn't make Cotterill's time in the Championship out to be some sort of golden age. It was dire. He had the skills and drive to blast us out of L1 but grew complacent and f-d up royally at this level. Talk of his "legacy" is laughable. Johnson would have taken over a L1 side if Cotts hadn't gone when he did. It's right that the Johnson experiment is ended now, but he's hardly shattered some team of galacticos! Thanks for reminding certain people seemed to be required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: 15 minutes ago, cityboy99 said: Ok he had backing of the transfer fee but we all know players of that value ain't gonna come with the wages cap we offer. Now i'm not saying we should offer players over the top wages again and put ourselves in trouble again. But if we offered just a couple players the money they wanted.. Rumour has it that Dwight Gayle would of come but we offered 3k short a week of his asking price. Now whats 3k a week for a player of his quality. Dwight Gayle said he never at any point wanted to come here. Gayle (or Gray) ... £150k per year EXTRA is extortion, regardless of 'going rate' elsewhere... had a guts full of overpaid f'ing mercenaries in the game ... f cu k 'em ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 One word. Nollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 48 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: SC destroyed everything SC built. This. He left us with a wafer thin squad that had lost faith in his system, and in the relegation zone heading for L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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