JamesBCFC Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 So it seems we are sticking with Johnson (I know I'm in the minority happy to give him a little more time), but how can the club help him. Personally think it might be a good idea for the club to bring in an experienced manager- perhaps a former manager even- to help Johnson in the way Ward helped Dopey Darrell at R*vers. (Yes I know they went down first, but that all happened about 2 months later in the season than where we are now, and they have had back to back promotions since. With the extra time relegation shouldn't be a worry if something like this happened.) If your response is something like "show him where the door is" or some other negative crap that doesn't answer the question in any way other than suggesting him losing the job, please don't bother, hoping for constructive thoughts here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Dear LJ, The only help I can offer is go on your laptop and sent your resignation email asap. Regards, Mao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 **** me this isnt an interview on the job. Get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Swallow your pride and show Tomlin the love SL is showing you, it might save your career!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Kodjias Wrist said: Swallow your pride and show Tomlin the love SL is showing you, it might save your career!! Damage already done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwickshire Red Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Surely though, if LJ is good enough, why should he need help? If he's not up to it, he should be relieved of his duties. Simple as that. This club shouldn't be a creche for inexperienced managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Acton Red Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 How about a pair of stilts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, FramptonRed said: How about a pair of stilts. No need for that. Disgusting to make a personal insult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 you know what, **** it. **** the lot of you, incapable of reading that final line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said: you know what, **** it. **** the lot of you, incapable of reading that final line Unfortunately for you the final line is the answer. Sack him is the only constructive option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjam!n Ultra Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Damage is done. The core of the support no longer want him here and with the fixtures upcoming there's no helping him. He is a dead man walking, just a matter of how long SL will let him wander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Acton Red Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: No need for that. Disgusting to make a personal insult Come on i dont mean it,i just think this forum needs a bit of light humour in these dark times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I think the players need to realise that they're not gonna get rid of LJ, bridges need to be built. Starting with Tomlin coming back into the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, FramptonRed said: Come on i dont mean it,i just think this forum needs a bit of light humour in these dark times. Still, there are other ways to make a joke. I'm just as frustrated, but I will never make a personal insult about Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Londoner said: Unfortunately for you the final line is the answer. Sack him is the only constructive option. Except it isn't. Rovers stuck by their inexperienced manager and he got back to back promotions Barnsley stuck by LJ and he lead the to Wembley and started their push up to the playoffs. I wouldn't have expected you of all people to be able to see that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: you know what, **** it. **** the lot of you, incapable of reading that final line I'm completely with you on this. I'm actually more embarrassed by bigoted childish and ignorant comments by so many on here than I am about the 8 straight league losses. But then again, I support BCFC come what may and I've seen/experienced worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpty Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Back on topic, I think Keith Millen could be the man. Superb coaching record HERE and at Palace. Tonnes of experience, known by the management team and much respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjam!n Ultra Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Except it isn't. Rovers stuck by their inexperienced manager and he got back to back promotions Barnsley stuck by LJ and he lead the to Wembley and started their push up to the playoffs. I wouldn't have expected you of all people to be able to see that though. Clarke hadn't lost 8 on the bounce after spending £15m. He got Barnsley to Wembley but didn't get them up. Their fans have assured us of that and you have to say they know more than us on their promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthered Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: you know what, **** it. **** the lot of you, incapable of reading that final line The OP deserves and expect a proper answer..... I am not a big fan of LJ but I hope he can turn things around ;on radio Bristol they suggested Big Joe could come in as he is down the gate a lot of match days and worth a shout, there is no one bigger than Joe Jordan in the changing room and Tomlin would know exactly where he stands.... he would have no nonsense and LJ can learn a lot from him...Job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I think you may find that any idea of a 'Director Of Football' being ' shoed in ' would certainly put Mr Ashton's nose out of joint Think you may find that's how he sees himself, even if not in title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, kevthered said: The OP deserves and expect a proper answer..... I am not a big fan of LJ but I hope he can turn things around ;on radio Bristol they suggested Big Joe could come in as he is down the gate a lot of match days and worth a shout, there is no one bigger than Joe Jordan in the changing room and Tomlin would know exactly where he stands.... he would have no nonsense and LJ can learn a lot from him...Job done Thank you for a proper response. Agree someone like Joe would be a good character to have around. 1 minute ago, Benjam!n Ultra said: Clarke hadn't lost 8 on the bounce after spending £15m. He got Barnsley to Wembley but didn't get them up. Their fans have assured us of that and you have to say they know more than us on their promotion. never said he did. Either come back with a proper response to what was asked in the OP, or don't come back to this thread. ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Except it isn't. Rovers stuck by their inexperienced manager and he got back to back promotions Barnsley stuck by LJ and he lead the to Wembley and started their push up to the playoffs. I wouldn't have expected you of all people to be able to see that though. Look i will explain this for you once. The fact he did it at barnsley is irrelevant, the fact they were down there as a big fish in a small pond is damning in itself. We have the big clubs coming up, didnt have that problem in barnsley. The fact that Heckingbottom has tsken barnsley to just outside the playoffs with limited money and lj has taken us to the bottom 5, despite soending 15 mil is another nail in his coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Londoner said: Look i will explain this for you once. The fact he did it at barnsley is irrelevant, the fact they were down there as a big fish in a small pond is damning in itself. We have the big clubs coming up, didnt have that problem in barnsley. The fact that Heckingbottom has tsken barnsley to just outside the playoffs with limited money and lj has taken us to the bottom 5, despite soending 15 mil is another nail in his coffin. Look, I will explain this for you once. I frankly couldn't care less what you and your mountain sized ego come out with. Either respond to what I asked in to OP, or go to another thread. I'm not interested in the "sack him now" "he isn't good enough" statements, as there are plenty around and many from people I have respect for (hint: not you). SL has come out and backed LJ, I'm asking a question of how LJ can be helped. Not interested in anything else you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said: Look, I will explain this for you once. I frankly couldn't care less what you and your mountain sized ego come out with. Either respond to what I asked in to OP, or go to another thread. I'm not interested in the "sack him now" "he isn't good enough" statements, as there are plenty around and many from people I have respect for (hint: not you). SL has come out and backed LJ, I'm asking a question of how LJ can be helped. Not interested in anything else you say. He cant be helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: you know what, **** it. **** the lot of you, incapable of reading that final line Well i know you saw it coming and thats just the feeling amongst many supporters at the moment. My point was deadly serious regarding tomlin btw, we need that magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Londoner said: He cant be helped. Don't respond then. Hopefully one of the hundreds of people signed up on here with less arrogance (and likely more intelligence) will put forward an idea. Someone else already has. 1 minute ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Well i know you saw it coming and thats just the feeling amongst many supporters at the moment. My point was deadly serious regarding tomlin btw, we need that magic. I realised yours was serious, that was only aimed at those not being constructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider red Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I could find him the number for yellow cabs..... Might need a taxi after the rotherham game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 So in addition to bringing in his own man in Holden and keeping the last bloke's assistant (Pemberton) he still needs MORE help? What is it? A football club or a support group? If you want me to be serious I doubt he wants yet more assistants (or assistance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, kevthered said: The OP deserves and expect a proper answer..... I am not a big fan of LJ but I hope he can turn things around ;on radio Bristol they suggested Big Joe could come in as he is down the gate a lot of match days and worth a shout, there is no one bigger than Joe Jordan in the changing room and Tomlin would know exactly where he stands.... he would have no nonsense and LJ can learn a lot from him...Job done If (and I mean if) Tomlin is the bad apple, why isn't: 1. LJ dealing with it 2. Pembo or Holden 3. Senior pros like Wilbs, O'Neil, Flint etc Great teams are built on honesty and free speech, acceptance of fault etc. I can't sit here and let everyone make LT the scapegoat until someone in the club either comes out and says so, or their actions give me 99% reason to think he's the only problem. If he's that big a problem, don't effin' pick him in the 18, don't let him train, sell him. I think he is an easy target, but I'm not naive to think he hasnt any faults. Some are too defensive of him, some are too easy to pick on him. All I know if that a Tomlin-match-fit player is good enough at this level. He ain't ever gonna be a natural athlete, but he is a fine player, and someone who wants to be loved. A firing Tomlin is an asset. A stroppy Tomlin is no use at all. I hope we get to see the firing Tomlin again...would be a huge waste. But whatever will be will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpty Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Gentlemen, whatever your opinion on his capabilities and ability to turn things around, Steve thinks he can do it, so he stays (for now, at least). So the OP's question is valid, what help does he need? Joe Jordan could come in and shout at Tomlinson, of course, but LT's character is more complex than that. He needs to feel loved, as others have stated. Joe isn't all about aggression - there's much more to him than that, with experience gained at the highest level here and abroad, so maybe he could help? I'm not so sure he needs the agro, to be honest, so that's why I'd go for Milly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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