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SO'D: "There's nobody in the city going to focus on the positives...."

Not true, SO'D. There was @spudski

 

Tbf to him, we played well first half that night but didn't score. Then Brentford scored with a deflected shot from outside the box. And that was it. SO'D's law.

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5 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said:

That's what you call "up for the fight" spud.

What...shouting and swearing at your own fans? How does that attitude win match's...you need calm thoughtful leaders to direct men to go to war for you. Not people who lose their head and shout....as my dear mother used to say...'Empty vessels and all that.....' He's like the Donald Trump of football...

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51 minutes ago, spudski said:

What...shouting and swearing at your own fans? How does that attitude win match's...you need calm thoughtful leaders to direct men to go to war for you. Not people who lose their head and shout....as my dear mother used to say...'Empty vessels and all that.....' He's like the Donald Trump of football...

Yup, tbh in a way I don't blame him as a human being for reacting but alot worse has been directed at other managers yet they had a certain dignity of not rising to it...

As a professional he acted appallingly 

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6 minutes ago, Emperor Palpatine said:

@spudski was that you he was mouthing off at ;)

No mate...SC was right in what he was saying, we were passing the ball about. I wouldn't shout at a manager...they all try their best. Some dick head fans just don't understand football and gob off thinking they do. Felt for SC tbh...don't like him as a bloke, or particularly think he's a good manager at Championship level...but he was trying, even if I didn't agree with the way he was going about it. Managers don't deserve the shit they get from some fans.

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3 minutes ago, spudski said:

No mate...SC was right in what he was saying, we were passing the ball about. I wouldn't shout at a manager...they all try their best. Some dick head fans just don't understand football and gob off thinking they do. Felt for SC tbh...don't like him as a bloke, or particularly think he's a good manager at Championship level...but he was trying, even if I didn't agree with the way he was going about it. Managers don't deserve the shit they get from some fans.

Purely tongue in cheek of course there Spud but I agree, no manager deserves that kind of shit really and can't blame him for reacting but that was the final nail in his coffin here methinks.. You simply can't do that, no matter how much of a dick this fan was

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1 minute ago, spudski said:

No mate...SC was right in what he was saying, we were passing the ball about. I wouldn't shout at a manager...they all try their best. Some dick head fans just don't understand football and gob off thinking they do. Felt for SC tbh...don't like him as a bloke, or particularly think he's a good manager at Championship level...but he was trying, even if I didn't agree with the way he was going about it. Managers don't deserve the shit they get from some fans.

I was actually just thinking, to be fair to SC and O'D, as someone myself whose career is played out in front of thousands of people I totally understand the stress of doing a job under the watch of so many judging eyes, the pressure is immense sometimes - add to that the multimillions involved in football and the tribal nature of it all, no wonder they crack sometimes. 

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3 minutes ago, eastonboy said:

Let it ******* go.

 

Jesus, the constant berating of our ex managers by people with such obvious agendas is bloody boring.

Obvious agendas? I don't think I've ever mentioned him before, so not sure how you are jumping to that conclusion.

I'm actually part of the Johnson clan and Lee's taught me his 'deflection' methods, just relieving some pressure off of him.

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2 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

I was actually just thinking, to be fair to SC and O'D, as someone myself whose career is played out in front of thousands of people I totally understand the stress of doing a job under the watch of so many judging eyes, the pressure is immense sometimes - add to that the multimillions involved in football and the tribal nature of it all, no wonder they crack sometimes. 

I find the whole thing embarrassing tbh mate. Every manager and player is trying to win. They are doing it for our Club which Supporters say they love.

As a parent, you wouldn't watch your young son playing football or managing, and boo and call him crap, and give him abuse if he was losing and making mistakes...you'd keep on encouraging...'C'mon lad, you can do it, keep going, suck it up, get stuck in, concentrate, keep trying C'mon lad'. Yet some fans show their frustration by abusing rather than encouraging when things are going wrong...to the Club, players and managers they say they love.

Do you only encourage and praise your loved one's when they are doing well? Seems so with so many.

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18 minutes ago, spudski said:

No mate...SC was right in what he was saying, we were passing the ball about. I wouldn't shout at a manager...they all try their best. Some dick head fans just don't understand football and gob off thinking they do. Felt for SC tbh...don't like him as a bloke, or particularly think he's a good manager at Championship level...but he was trying, even if I didn't agree with the way he was going about it. Managers don't deserve the shit they get from some fans.

Agree. Where I disagree is in how damning I would be of his reaction: I'm not at all, don't think it reflects on his temperament being a weak spot (there are other, better examples of that). 

When you have morons shouting at you, after a really frustrating defeat, who have little more than cabbage between their ears and their only way to articulate and debate is to swear and to call for you to be sacked I think it somewhat pious to expect there to be no reaction. Look at SOD with his stupid question; that was equally as unprofessional it just didn't include effing and blinding; well, that was a different situation dealing with a professional rather than a buffoon. 

Unprofessional yes, a moment of weakness, yes. Understandable, excusable, without doubt. A sign of poor control of emotions, no - a demonstration he was human. 

In any case not sure where the idea you need to have a control of emotions to be successful in football - or professional - comes from. Football is a game which is wholly unprofessional from the top to the very bottom and everywhere inbetween. Players showing no respect for officials, Wenger pushing a guy, Fergie showering saliva over officials with his swearing tirades, le great sulk, Mourinho slagging off officials left, right, centre; diving. Could go on. The idea that a manager should have a strong control of emotions or be stoic even... can't think of one example other than Glenn Roeder. 

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3 minutes ago, spudski said:

I find the whole thing embarrassing tbh mate. Every manager and player is trying to win. They are doing it for our Club which Supporters say they love.

As a parent, you wouldn't watch your young son playing football or managing, and boo and call him crap, and give him abuse if he was losing and making mistakes...you'd keep on encouraging...'C'mon lad, you can do it, keep going, suck it up, get stuck in, concentrate, keep trying C'mon lad'. Yet some fans show their frustration by abusing rather than encouraging when things are going wrong...to the Club, players and managers they say they love.

Do you only encourage and praise your loved one's when they are doing well? Seems so with so many.

So what your basically saying is that after losing eight or nine league games in a row we should politely applaud and say something along the lines of 'bad luck old man, you gave it your best shot, better luck next time!'

We spend our hard earnt cash following the club we love and if we aint happy with what we see we are perfectly entitled to say so. This is football not feckin croquet!

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16 minutes ago, spudski said:

I find the whole thing embarrassing tbh mate. Every manager and player is trying to win. They are doing it for our Club which Supporters say they love.

As a parent, you wouldn't watch your young son playing football or managing, and boo and call him crap, and give him abuse if he was losing and making mistakes...you'd keep on encouraging...'C'mon lad, you can do it, keep going, suck it up, get stuck in, concentrate, keep trying C'mon lad'. Yet some fans show their frustration by abusing rather than encouraging when things are going wrong...to the Club, players and managers they say they love.

Do you only encourage and praise your loved one's when they are doing well? Seems so with so many.

Absolutely spot on.

Football certainly brings out all the emotions, I just wonder sometimes ultimately it's the fact the fan has no control over the club and team whatsoever and that's a scary feeling, especially when you pin your identity and self esteem on the club's results. 

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1 minute ago, cityironman said:

So what your basically saying is that after losing eight or nine league games in a row we should politely applaud and say something along the lines of 'bad luck old man, you gave it your best shot, better luck next time!'

We spend our hard earnt cash following the club we love and if we aint happy with what we see we are perfectly entitled to say so. This is football not feckin croquet!

No I'm not...I'm saying get behind the team and coach. If he wins 8 on the bounce...bet you'd the first to bask in the Glory. Typical sing when we're winning. Your hard earned cash spent on a ticket doesn't come with a guarantee of winning. It's football...not the cinema.

I dislike SC...I criticised him on here, but I never booed him, abused him at the ground, or abused the players. He and the team all tried to win.

I'll have to remember that their are family members that only want to support the family when things are going well and it also depends on money being spent.

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1 minute ago, Alessandro said:

Absolutely spot on.

Football certainly brings out all the emotions, I just wonder sometimes ultimately it's the fact the fan has no control over the club and team whatsoever and that's a scary feeling, especially when you pin your identity and self esteem on the club's results. 

It's down to not knowing enough about what's going on. If every fan saw everything that happened at a club throughout the week, and understood all it's workings and reasons why players weren't playing well, personal reasons etc then I'm sure their nature towards everything would be different.

Judging things on 90 mins, gossip, and a few media clips, doesn't give the whole story.

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2 minutes ago, spudski said:

No I'm not...I'm saying get behind the team and coach. If he wins 8 on the bounce...bet you'd the first to bask in the Glory. Typical sing when we're winning. Your hard earned cash spent on a ticket doesn't come with a guarantee of winning. It's football...not the cinema.

I dislike SC...I criticised him on here, but I never booed him, abused him at the ground, or abused the players. He and the team all tried to win.

I'll have to remember that their are family members that only want to support the family when things are going well and it also depends on money being spent.

I appreciate your sentiment Spud, and all City fans are behind the team, regardless of the head coach.

Unfortunately, Johnson's reign is becoming like the shawshank redemption. With more tunnelling through s**t and no f****ng redemption.

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4 minutes ago, spudski said:

No I'm not...I'm saying get behind the team and coach. If he wins 8 on the bounce...bet you'd the first to bask in the Glory. Typical sing when we're winning. Your hard earned cash spent on a ticket doesn't come with a guarantee of winning. It's football...not the cinema.

I dislike SC...I criticised him on here, but I never booed him, abused him at the ground, or abused the players. He and the team all tried to win.

I'll have to remember that their are family members that only want to support the family when things are going well and it also depends on money being spent.

I appreciate what your saying but you seem to have some idealistic view on how football supporters should support their club. Do you honestly think that any clubs fans would be any different after such a horrendous run? I think not.

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45 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

That's the 'best' manager this club has ever had right there!! 

Beggars belief that such a nice, professional chap could get the sack.

I was at Leyton Orient when that nice professional chap Lee Johnson gave City fans the two fingered salute.

I was also at home to Carlisle when that nice professional chap Lee Johnson spent time arguing with City fans as meanwhile we were about to concede a goal.

Happens to the best - and the worst - of them it would seem.

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3 minutes ago, NickJ said:

I was at Leyton Orient when that nice professional chap Lee Johnson gave City fans the two fingered salute.

I was also at home to Carlisle when that nice professional chap Lee Johnson spent time arguing with City fans as meanwhile we were about to concede a goal.

Happens to the best - and the worst - of them it would seem.

That may be so, but unlike SC, at least LJ has grown up and not repeated it as a manager, yet!

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4 minutes ago, NickJ said:

I was at Leyton Orient when that nice professional chap Lee Johnson gave City fans the two fingered salute.

I was also at home to Carlisle when that nice professional chap Lee Johnson spent time arguing with City fans as meanwhile we were about to concede a goal.

Happens to the best - and the worst - of them it would seem.

You think that's bad? I offered to take Sean O'Driscoll to a dining room furniture sale and do you know what he said? "I never look at tables!" 

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21 minutes ago, spudski said:

No I'm not...I'm saying get behind the team and coach. If he wins 8 on the bounce...bet you'd the first to bask in the Glory. Typical sing when we're winning. Your hard earned cash spent on a ticket doesn't come with a guarantee of winning. It's football...not the cinema.

I dislike SC...I criticised him on here, but I never booed him, abused him at the ground, or abused the players. He and the team all tried to win.

I'll have to remember that their are family members that only want to support the family when things are going well and it also depends on money being spent.

just a bit !

Like the fans you slag off on here who criticise the current head Coach

:whistle:

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11 minutes ago, cityironman said:

I appreciate what your saying but you seem to have some idealistic view on how football supporters should support their club. Do you honestly think that any clubs fans would be any different after such a horrendous run? I think not.

You're right...that's why I don't particularly hold a great fondness for some football fans and the way they 'Support' their teams.

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2 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

That may be so, but unlike SC, at least LJ has grown up and not repeated it as a manager, yet!

I will never forgive Johnson for what he did at Leyton Orient and while it has no bearing on that I am being proved right about him as a shit manager, it as an absolute disgrace that after that, Lansdown appointed him as our manager in the first place.

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Perhaps unsurprisingly I see these 2 incidents completely differently.

O'Driscoll lost his rag when being asked a totally bland question from probably the blandest radio station going.

Cotterill (wrongly but understandably) lost his rag when being repeatedly called a see you next Tuesday by one of his own teams "fans".

Neither were right, but I know which reaction I understand.

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5 minutes ago, spudski said:

You're right...that's why I don't particularly hold a great fondness for some football fans and the way they 'Support' their teams.

As I said Spud - Like you 'supported' SC ????

Or the way you've slated half the squad this year ?

Holier than thou you arn't

 

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6 minutes ago, NickJ said:

I will never forgive Johnson for what he did at Leyton Orient and while it has no bearing on that I am being proved right about him as a shit manager, it as an absolute disgrace that after that, Lansdown appointed him as our manager in the first place.

What did he do?

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8 minutes ago, NickJ said:

I will never forgive Johnson for what he did at Leyton Orient and while it has no bearing on that I am being proved right about him as a shit manager, it as an absolute disgrace that after that, Lansdown appointed him as our manager in the first place.

Why the forgiveness for SC and not LJ out of interest? What prompted LJ to swear at City fans?

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1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

As I said Spud - Like you 'supported' SC ????

Holier than thou you arn't

 

I'm on about at the games mate...constructive criticism is different. Plus LJ is at least trying to do the right thing. You know exactly why I don't like Sc...because of how he was going about running the club, and what was going on behind the scenes. If you know someone's doing stuff for their own benefit , and not giving a toss about damaging the club, then I'll shout and scream. If LJ was doing the same...I'd shout and scream. LJ maybe failing as a parent right now, but he's trying to be a good parent, it's not for the want of trying to be good. If in the other hand he was saying one thing, and then screwing your wife's sister behind your back...you'd be all over it. You have to take each manager and circumstances.

Anyway...it's getting to that time of the night again, where everyone starts ganging up. I'll bid you goodnight fellow red.

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32 minutes ago, spudski said:

It's down to not knowing enough about what's going on. If every fan saw everything that happened at a club throughout the week, and understood all it's workings and reasons why players weren't playing well, personal reasons etc then I'm sure their nature towards everything would be different.

Judging things on 90 mins, gossip, and a few media clips, doesn't give the whole story.

But I thought they only worked 90 minutes a week for their wages :whistle:

 

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Looking back at those clips, it's not really funny at all. It all just feels a bit sad. It's not nice to see people that are probably reasonable enough, losing it on camera. Yes they had their quirks, who hasn't?

It's also to sad to be reminded of all our failures. If LJ is going to leave, let's do it with some dignity. I just hope it doesn't get too nasty over the next few games. 

 

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47 minutes ago, spudski said:

No I'm not...I'm saying get behind the team and coach. If he wins 8 on the bounce...bet you'd the first to bask in the Glory. Typical sing when we're winning. Your hard earned cash spent on a ticket doesn't come with a guarantee of winning. It's football...not the cinema.

I dislike SC...I criticised him on here, but I never booed him, abused him at the ground, or abused the players. He and the team all tried to win.

I'll have to remember that their are family members that only want to support the family when things are going well and it also depends on money being spent.

for me supporting family is when things go wrong

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Things could be worse but only just......

Thank God for Coventry City 

LLLLLDDLLL 92/92 on current league form

City are joint 90th with Crewe (but Crewe do of course have rather more serious issues going on)

Going further down the Pyramid we eventually find Margate in National South

LLLLLLLLLL

We salute you!

 

 

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2 hours ago, spudski said:

What...shouting and swearing at your own fans? How does that attitude win match's...you need calm thoughtful leaders to direct men to go to war for you. Not people who lose their head and shout....as my dear mother used to say...'Empty vessels and all that.....' He's like the Donald Trump of football...

And yet he brought more success to this club than LJ, SOD and McInnes combined

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6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Whilst blowing smoke up Spuds ass you seem to have missed the point (unsurprisingly)

I didn't slate SC,  and then slate posters who criticise our current Coach , that's the point

 

For what it's worth , LJ is now making SC look like Sir Alex Ferguson

SAF went through a bad patch before he had a good run.

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9 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Whilst blowing smoke up Spuds ass you seem to have missed the point (unsurprisingly)

I didn't slate SC,  and then slate posters who criticise our current Coach , that's the point

 

For what it's worth , LJ is now making SC look like Sir Alex Ferguson

How is he? Still has a superior record to SC at this level for this club even with this dreadful run

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5 minutes ago, reddoh said:

SAF went through a bad patch before he had a good run.

I meant more in terms of LJ making SC whatever his shortcomings look as good a manager as SAF :whistle:

 

As regards this ridiculous comparisons of bad runs - SAF ihad his , After winning the Scottosh League twice, The Scottish FA Cup , Winning the Cup Winners Cup , oh and managing a Scotland at the 86 World Cup - not a great comparison to LJ is it ?

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1 hour ago, spudski said:

but I never booed him, abused him at the ground, or abused the players

But who is doing that now (since I guess you're drawing a distinction)? I haven't seen any of those things during matches for this entire run, home and away. Away as reported several times recently is at best one massive attempt at smothering the team and manager in love, at worst it's silence.

To my eyes and ears it has been the most patient and supportive any club could reasonably expect to get in the circumstances (perhaps a bit quieter in recent home games unsurprisingly, but not at all abusive or negative). Have I missed some abuse that you've seen the present team deal with?

Perhaps you were just referring to the SC incident, but your comments read like an attack on something in the present, particularly when you speak (not for the first time) about "IF LJ" turns it round, a load of people would be all "sing when you're winning"? I can't remember anyone doing any different. 

I should hope everyone would be singing if we win 8 in a row, we'll all have earned it! There would be a lot lot worse happening at many other clubs by now.

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5 minutes ago, Emperor Palpatine said:

How is he? Still has a superior record to SC at this level for this club even with this dreadful run

Wow that's a relief 

When he ever gets a side promoted , or wins a League he will be able to compare himself I'd suggest

SC had plenty of flaws but I'd have him over LJ every day of the week

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5 minutes ago, reddoh said:

SAF went through a bad patch before he had a good run.

Yes, the same SAF that won the European Cup Winners Cup, the Scottish FA Cup and the Scottish League title, smashing the Old Firm dominance of football north of the border. Not to mention being caretaker manager of the national team fior the 1986 World Cup.

That was before he joined Manchester United.

What was the analogy again?

 

 

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7 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I meant more in terms of LJ making SC whatever his shortcomings look as good a manager as SAF :whistle:

 

As regards this ridiculous comparisons of bad runs - SAF ihad his , After winning the Scottosh League twice, The Scottish FA Cup , Winning the Cup Winners Cup , oh and managing a Scotland at the 86 World Cup - not a great comparison to LJ is it ?

Maybe not but AF as he was then (young)  turned the club round faster than the qe2 just and the rest is history

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7 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

Yes, the same SAF that won the European Cup Winners Cup, the Scottish FA Cup and the Scottish League title, smashing the Old Firm dominance of football north of the border. Not to mention being caretaker manager of the national team fior the 1986 World Cup.

That was before he joined Manchester United.

What was the analogy again?

 

 

The analogy that keeps getting thrown up is SAF had a bad run at Man U , before dominating British Football for 20yrs , so why cant Lee do the same 

 

Come on , keep up ;)

 

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1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

He was 45 when he joined MU but far more relevant he was a proven successful manager already

but he still had a bad patch but had plenty of money too fix it when ever he wanted and not just two windows

ps 45 is young :-)

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8 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

Yes, the same SAF that won the European Cup Winners Cup, the Scottish FA Cup and the Scottish League title, smashing the Old Firm dominance of football north of the border. Not to mention being caretaker manager of the national team fior the 1986 World Cup.

That was before he joined Manchester United.

What was the analogy again?

 

 

I love the SAF analogy :grr:

You're right It is no comparison.  Imho the analogy is that SAF (spit!!) won a two horse race....when Aberdeen weren't one of the two horses!

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