WayOutWest Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 I am not sure if this has been mentioned before. Maybe it has, if so apologies for the new thread. But Matty Taylors transfer has the hallmarks of Mark Ashton written all over it. I believe this deal was done in the summer, perhaps at the end of last season. Bearing in mind we have decided to get our act together finally and identify and recruit targets of a certain age and skillset that will provide value in a resale. During that time add value to our current campaigns. Matty Taylor totally fits that bill. It would be more surprising that Matty Taylor was not on our radar. They guy knows where the back of the net is. Many questions were asked at the end of last season why we didn't bid on him. He wasn't under contract to r*****s (childish but i just cant type their name). Therefore he was probably free to talk to clubs. Enter Mark Ashton. I am sure there was a conversation between Mark and Matty before he resigned with r****s. A roadmap was defined and executed. The release clause was more than likely Mark Ashtons idea and one that r****s had to take in order to secure the services of Matty. Those conversations between Matty and Mark included that he needed to prove himself in league 1, which he did. Once we we happy, we triggered the release clause and he became our player. The architect of this move was Mark Ashton. All above board and was completed before Matty Taylor resigned with r****s in the off season. Mark Ashton sold Kodjia for 15m and bought Matty Taylor for 300k. Both to me are not flukes. Both required planning both short term and long. My thoughts could be totally off base....but usually trust my gut and this is what it tells me. Stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Very possibly. I seen Johnson on the telly at the rovers ground earlier in the season. Not saying it was anything to do with Taylor. Also someone on here say we've been scouting him for a while. But ye I agree Mr Ashton loves a deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Interesting theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted February 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, Red Army Faction said: Interesting theory. My point is we knew it was 300k release clause because Mark Ashton coached Matty Taylor on in it and how to implement that in his contract. All done when he was out out of contact. The long play perfectly executed. Stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 46 minutes ago, WayOutWest said: But Matty Taylors transfer has the hallmarks of Mark Ashton written all over it. My thoughts could be totally off base....but usually trust my gut and this is what it tells me. I think you're very close to the mark. No doubt MA is a shrewd operator and that was recognised by SL when Ashton was at AG first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 1 hour ago, WayOutWest said: I am not sure if this has been mentioned before. Maybe it has, if so apologies for the new thread. But Matty Taylors transfer has the hallmarks of Mark Ashton written all over it. I believe this deal was done in the summer, perhaps at the end of last season. Bearing in mind we have decided to get our act together finally and identify and recruit targets of a certain age and skillset that will provide value in a resale. During that time add value to our current campaigns. Matty Taylor totally fits that bill. It would be more surprising that Matty Taylor was not on our radar. They guy knows where the back of the net is. Many questions were asked at the end of last season why we didn't bid on him. He wasn't under contract to r*****s (childish but i just cant type their name). Therefore he was probably free to talk to clubs. Enter Mark Ashton. I am sure there was a conversation between Mark and Matty before he resigned with r****s. A roadmap was defined and executed. The release clause was more than likely Mark Ashtons idea and one that r****s had to take in order to secure the services of Matty. Those conversations between Matty and Mark included that he needed to prove himself in league 1, which he did. Once we we happy, we triggered the release clause and he became our player. The architect of this move was Mark Ashton. All above board and was completed before Matty Taylor resigned with r****s in the off season. Mark Ashton sold Kodjia for 15m and bought Matty Taylor for 300k. Both to me are not flukes. Both required planning both short term and long. My thoughts could be totally off base....but usually trust my gut and this is what it tells me. Stevo It's certainly the scenario I have had on my mind and others have made similar suggestions on here. It would also put an explanation to Darryls cryptic comments. Ever the politician, I am sure if this was put to MA he would say "you may say that, I couldn't possibly comment". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Well for all his genius, to date we find ourselves in a relegation scrap, hate to think where we end up when he really get's his act together. Sad fact BCFC are still naive as hell compared to other football clubs, this transfer on paper was great PR sort of burying bad news on LJ, a great distraction, but at the moment, that is all it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Well for all his genius, to date we find ourselves in a relegation scrap, hate to think where we end up when he really get's his act together. Sad fact BCFC are still naive as hell compared to other football clubs, this transfer on paper was great PR sort of burying bad news on LJ, a great distraction, but at the moment, that is all it is. Receiving the largest transfer fee a Championship club has ever received last summer, pocketing an approximate £6m profit from the deal, would suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Ye take LJ situation out of this . I would say since MA has been here . We've done some fantastic business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Receiving the largest transfer fee a Championship club has ever received last summer, pocketing an approximate £6m profit from the deal, would suggest otherwise. I give you are league position, we don't have a football brain of any merit at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Well for all his genius, to date we find ourselves in a relegation scrap, hate to think where we end up when he really get's his act together. Sad fact BCFC are still naive as hell compared to other football clubs, this transfer on paper was great PR sort of burying bad news on LJ, a great distraction, but at the moment, that is all it is. The fact that City are at the wrong end of the Championship is not down to Mark Ashton. From what I've seen so far he's seems to be doing a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Red Army 75 said: Ye take LJ situation out of this . I would say since MA has been here . We've done some fantastic business All very well, but if we are relegated it means nowt, How can you deem MA reign a success when success would be reflected on the field, we have just witnessed our worst run in the history of the club!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: The fact that City are at the wrong end of the Championship is not down to Mark Ashton. From what I've seen so far he's seems to be doing a good job. He is part of the senior management team, in any other business the blame would not just fall on one man's shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 I was thinking the exact same. Either way, there was no way that LJ/MA woke up on deadline day and thought "lets bid for him" out of the blue. My personal opinion is that MT saw our start of the season, drove past the new ground a few times as he lives in Bristol, and decided he was keen. His agent has then tipped off MA/LJ, and we've agreed wages, timings etc before Xmas and then waited until the last second to launch an official bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We live in hope Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 1 hour ago, WayOutWest said: But Matty Taylors transfer has the hallmarks of Mark Ashton written all over it. This could be true. Ashton is not my preferred cup of tea to be fair, however he is corporate and city do need corporate for the future. Matty Taylor is a good signing and if he makes it in the championship a real bonus but in reality if we do not survive this terrible run of form and drop down a division we have a proven scorer ready for the fight back up! that's more likely the reason behind the signing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Receiving the largest transfer fee a Championship club has ever received last summer, pocketing an approximate £6m profit from the deal, would suggest otherwise. How does receiving a big fee for JK mean we are not naive? I think it showed us being exactly that, we didn't see it coming and had no obvious suitable replacement lined up. We didn't know that Villa were gonna come in with such a huge offer. Where did you get '£6m profit from the deal' from? Didn't we buy JK for around £2m and sell him for £11m possibly rising to £15m? That seems like more than £6m profit from that deal to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 19 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: He is part of the senior management team, in any other business the blame would not just fall on one man's shoulders. He is but it's not his role to select the team, decide on tactics and formations and to instil motivation and confidence in to the players. Thats the job of LJ and his coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 25 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: All very well, but if we are relegated it means nowt, How can you deem MA reign a success when success would be reflected on the field, we have just witnessed our worst run in the history of the club!! All very well . Well he got the players here . Players like Tammy . Hegeler . Magners. I'm saying he's done his part . He's not picking the side is he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: How does receiving a big fee for JK mean we are not naive? I think it showed us being exactly that, we didn't see it coming and had no obvious suitable replacement lined up. We didn't know that Villa were gonna come in with such a huge offer. Where did you get '£6m profit from the deal' from? Didn't we buy JK for around £2m and sell him for £11m possibly rising to £15m? That seems like more than £6m profit from that deal to me... Sell on fee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Matty Taylor [BCFC] said: Sell on fee Eh? So let's say we made £9m on the deal (£11m less £2m) and there's also a sell on clause - that will make the profit even more...so I still ask, how did we only make 'a £6m profit on the deal' as claimed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Eh? So let's say we made £9m on the deal (£11m less £2m) and there's also a sell on clause - that will make the profit even more...so I still ask, how did we only make 'a £6m profit on the deal' as claimed? I'm only throwing suggestions out mate I'm not even the person you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Matty Taylor [BCFC] said: I'm only throwing suggestions out mate I'm not even the person you quoted Fair enough, cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Just now, BS4 on Tour... said: Fair enough, cheers! If we made 9m and Angers had 30% sell on then that's 6m though isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Dont know how much it was but didnt we have to pay extra to angers? That would push the profit level on the deal down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Matty Taylor [BCFC] said: If we made 9m and Angers had 30% sell on then that's 6m though isn't it? Fair play, I didn't think of the Angers angle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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