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3 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

I think a year on we have to look at the progress we have made as a club, not just the results but the overall package and I think when you do that you can see its been a rather good year for us.

Agreed, unfortunately not for LJ, he's head coach only.

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Up The City!

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3 hours ago, Matty Taylor [BCFC] said:

Agreed, unfortunately not for LJ, he's head coach only.

You really believe that he is not responsible for any of the progress?

I doubt he discovered some of the players we have signed but he's the one who's instructed the scouts to find those players, he has the final say on these players. He went to Tammys house, that shows he isn't just a coach.

If you listen to the Tinnion interview the other day it's clear to see LJ has a huge say in the academy. 

Put it this way I don't think much happens at BCFC without LJ's say so. Maybe part of the problem is he is trying to fix what was a completely broken club rather than just concentrating on the first team.

It seems when LJ is concentrating on just the first team we get results, coincidence?? 

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5 hours ago, Up The City! said:

I think a year on we have to look at the progress we have made as a club, not just the results but the overall package and I think when you do that you can see its been a rather good year for us.

I suppose it depends on what measure you use to  assess progress. I would say that  the true test is league position. This affects attendances and income which are the two essential requirements needed.As regards this it is looking a disaster. Poor decisions and the failure to remedy them by those who run our club cost us very dear when Johnson leads us to league 1. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

One year together, but not a very happy marriage. 

 

Agreed. One side is flirting with possible suitors while LJ is getting angry & shouting at the criticism.

Not sure that even Relate could sort this one out. Perhaps we need a trial separation...

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14 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

One year together, but not a very happy marriage. 

 

Every relationship has its rocky patches. That's when it takes work and guts to get things back on track. 

After a great honeymoon period, LJ went off for some cosmetic surgery in the summer. 

To start with, the new double EE's looked and felt great and things were good. He then realised that disputes his impressive new assets, a lot of his wardrobe also needed to be revamped. That has taken longer than we'd have liked, as he continued to keep popping out of his previously suitable clobber. 

People have questioned whether they'd have preferred the wife that they had previously, but here's hoping that when his new, sexy wardrobe finally arrives, we'll be proud to have him on our arm, once again. 

It's just a shame that for the next month, he's off on blind dates with the Dreamboys and we have to see if he can stay faithful enough to return back to snuggle up on the sofa with a kebab afterwards. 

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1 hour ago, Sergio Georgini said:

One year together yet we're pretty much in the exact same position from when he took over, with over £10 million spent.

Woo..

I think it's shortsighted to look at it from just a league position perspective. We've got a much stronger squad, our youth set up is improving all the time, Ashton Gate is complete, our attendances are good. Whether it's LJ as our manager or someone else, we're in good shape right now and are close to being a very good side in this league. I don't think we'll be relegated even under the current management but it's a tough tough run of games coming up.

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Forget the progression of the club (stadium/off the pitch etc) since Johnsons appointment - that would have happened regardless of who was in charge.

In his year in charge we've spent more than at any other time in our history; don't have a shape; play poor, poor football; have a semi divided fan base, and are again flirting with relegation.  No happy anniversary from me.

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4 minutes ago, Kim_il_sung said:

He takes us out for nice meals, buys us expensive jewelry and has redecorated the house, but unfortunately he just cant perform in the bedroom.

So, the question is... do you go to relationship counciling and watch a few porno's together for inspiration, or you you head out to the nearest night club, pull the best looking alternative that you can find, only to catch herpes from someone who who also likes to knock you around a bit for not having the dinner on the table on time..?

 

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13 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

So, the question is... do you go to relationship counciling and watch a few porno's together for inspiration, or you you head out to the nearest night club, pull the best looking alternative that you can find, only to catch herpes from someone who who also likes to knock you around a bit for not having the dinner on the table on time..?

 

I would be wearing a condom so herpes shouldn't be much of an issue tbh

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Seems like he's been here longer than a year, so much has happened.

I'm not convinced LJ is the man to take us to the play off's...but I'm glad we've stuck by him, and given him the opportunity to turn things around.

I want stability at this club and a coach that works with SL and the rest of the Clubs ethos. Outside of recent results, the club is healthier than it's been ever.

Failure imo, would be if we go down. The season is a marathon. We have another 19 games to play. Loads to play for. New players on board etc

If we finish lower to mid table, I would say it's been a success. Our second season up...and another consolidating our position in the league.

I look at teams just above us...Villa, Cardiff, QPR, Ipswich, Wolves, Forest...all with miles more experience than us in this league, some experienced managers and some with more money and far better quality squads...yet they are all 'struggling'.

Yet we have a fan base, where some fans think that because we've spent decent money, we should be knocking on the doors of the play off positions.

It's a marathon...we could have quite easily found ourselves mid table right now, but with 8 games to go, and lost them all. What would fans be asking for then?

We have lots of time to recover this season.

There isn't a magic wand. There isn't an experienced manager that is going to come into this Club and turn things around over night. It might happen short term...but long term? When choosing another manager....you need to do due diligence and homework and find someone that can do the job long term.

If LJ is to be replaced....then it should be when we are stable...not when we are struggling, and forced into making a panic move.

Become stable...then decide whether LJ can kick us on and stick with him...or...decide he's taken us as far as he can, and find another suitable suitor who can then take the next step.

Seems the most logical solution to me, instead of panic short term fix's.

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27 minutes ago, spudski said:

Seems like he's been here longer than a year, so much has happened.

I'm not convinced LJ is the man to take us to the play off's...but I'm glad we've stuck by him, and given him the opportunity to turn things around.

I want stability at this club and a coach that works with SL and the rest of the Clubs ethos. Outside of recent results, the club is healthier than it's been ever.

Failure imo, would be if we go down. The season is a marathon. We have another 19 games to play. Loads to play for. New players on board etc

If we finish lower to mid table, I would say it's been a success. Our second season up...and another consolidating our position in the league.

I look at teams just above us...Villa, Cardiff, QPR, Ipswich, Wolves, Forest...all with miles more experience than us in this league, some experienced managers and some with more money and far better quality squads...yet they are all 'struggling'.

Yet we have a fan base, where some fans think that because we've spent decent money, we should be knocking on the doors of the play off positions.

It's a marathon...we could have quite easily found ourselves mid table right now, but with 8 games to go, and lost them all. What would fans be asking for then?

We have lots of time to recover this season.

There isn't a magic wand. There isn't an experienced manager that is going to come into this Club and turn things around over night. It might happen short term...but long term? When choosing another manager....you need to do due diligence and homework and find someone that can do the job long term.

If LJ is to be replaced....then it should be when we are stable...not when we are struggling, and forced into making a panic move.

Become stable...then decide whether LJ can kick us on and stick with him...or...decide he's taken us as far as he can, and find another suitable suitor who can then take the next step.

Seems the most logical solution to me, instead of panic short term fix's.

Sorry Spud, there may be a few thinking we should be knocking on the play offs but I would say the majority were just expecting some sort of progression with the £15m or so we've spent, inc lower mid table. 

You cant undermine that thinking and justify your own with your hypothetical 8 game losing steak at the end of the season. You're speaking like you know we'll have a strong finish, which would put perspective on our recent poor run if it happened.  However, we could still have another 8 game losing streak at the end of the season, which at the moment looks just as likely as us having a decent last third of the season  

I understand your call for patience and stability but I also think there is much validity to the argument for a change of manager. 

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On 05/02/2017 at 05:51, Up The City! said:

You really believe that he is not responsible for any of the progress?

I doubt he discovered some of the players we have signed but he's the one who's instructed the scouts to find those players, he has the final say on these players. He went to Tammys house, that shows he isn't just a coach.

If you listen to the Tinnion interview the other day it's clear to see LJ has a huge say in the academy. 

Put it this way I don't think much happens at BCFC without LJ's say so. Maybe part of the problem is he is trying to fix what was a completely broken club rather than just concentrating on the first team.

It seems when LJ is concentrating on just the first team we get results, coincidence?? 

We're in grave danger of being relegated back to League One this season. We'll then be playing our matches in a stadium that's less than half full. I don't call that progress.

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Had a quick look at the League table a year ago exactly- by which I mean 29 games into the season last season.

We were 22nd and with 25 points so we have improved, GD was worse then too like significantly worse. Time will tell I guess but based on that one indicator things have improved.

If you compare it game by game though, roughly replacing newly promoted and freshly relegated with those who were promoted and relegated last year? Basically identical I would think, except for a markedly superior Goal Difference this year! 

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38 minutes ago, RedSA said:

Sorry Spud, there may be a few thinking we should be knocking on the play offs but I would say the majority were just expecting some sort of progression with the £15m or so we've spent, inc lower mid table. 

You cant undermine that thinking and justify your own with your hypothetical 8 game losing steak at the end of the season. You're speaking like you know we'll have a strong finish, which would put perspective on our recent poor run if it happened.  However, we could still have another 8 game losing streak at the end of the season, which at the moment looks just as likely as us having a decent last third of the season  

I understand your call for patience and stability but I also think there is much validity to the argument for a change of manager. 

I understand what you are saying...but...you cannot buy yourself success in this league. Nor can you keep changing managers every year and hope that one will click.

Some sort of perspective needs to be taken.

I mentioned all those clubs with far more experience than us, and often more money, better players and more experienced managers. Yet between just 1 and 5 points more than us.

You look at that, and take stock. If it were that easy, to just change a manager and it click, everyone would be doing it.

Plus people say, 'change the manager'. They have no idea which manager could work. They have no idea as to whether they would be willing to work with our present set up and ethos. Would they want their own coach's etc,etc,etc.

Certain fans don't seem to grasp these facts. It's not just about changing managers anymore. It's about working within our clubs new philosophy.

You need time...you need to ride the rough with the smooth. We've turned a corner and drawn and won our last two games. We aren't in the relegation zone and we still have 19 more games to play.

Give the lad a chance to try and make headway. If we are in the relegation zone and adrift with say 6 games to go...then take a gamble on a new coach.

Like I said...I'mnot convinced LJ is the man to take us to the play offs, but I'm convinced he can bring some stability. He's shown he and his team can bring in quality players, even into a struggling side, and he's as honest and hard working as the day is long.

Changing managers every year is not the answer...stats prove that.

So for that reason, I'm happy that the Club are sticking by LJ for the time being.

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1 hour ago, spudski said:

Seems like he's been here longer than a year, so much has happened.

I'm not convinced LJ is the man to take us to the play off's...but I'm glad we've stuck by him, and given him the opportunity to turn things around.

I want stability at this club and a coach that works with SL and the rest of the Clubs ethos. Outside of recent results, the club is healthier than it's been ever.

Failure imo, would be if we go down. The season is a marathon. We have another 19 games to play. Loads to play for. New players on board etc

If we finish lower to mid table, I would say it's been a success. Our second season up...and another consolidating our position in the league.

I look at teams just above us...Villa, Cardiff, QPR, Ipswich, Wolves, Forest...all with miles more experience than us in this league, some experienced managers and some with more money and far better quality squads...yet they are all 'struggling'.

Yet we have a fan base, where some fans think that because we've spent decent money, we should be knocking on the doors of the play off positions.

It's a marathon...we could have quite easily found ourselves mid table right now, but with 8 games to go, and lost them all. What would fans be asking for then?

We have lots of time to recover this season.

There isn't a magic wand. There isn't an experienced manager that is going to come into this Club and turn things around over night. It might happen short term...but long term? When choosing another manager....you need to do due diligence and homework and find someone that can do the job long term.

If LJ is to be replaced....then it should be when we are stable...not when we are struggling, and forced into making a panic move.

Become stable...then decide whether LJ can kick us on and stick with him...or...decide he's taken us as far as he can, and find another suitable suitor who can then take the next step.

Seems the most logical solution to me, instead of panic short term fix's.

I don't believe that we have any god given right to be challenging for the play offs.  A lower - mid table finish would be fine with me. 

My gripe with Johnson is the utter pish football that is served up.  We lack tactics, shape, movement.  The players literally have no idea what they are doing.  It's embarrassing.  Our tactics are Sunday pub league.  It's like watching paint dry.  Each game is a snooze fest.  Saturday was a league one clash in the making.  The only two teams we have beaten in the last 14 or so games are Fleetwood (league one) and Rotherham (a league one side in all but name).  I want to be entertained; Johnson's side does not entertain.  He and the team are devoid of inventiveness. 

Further as head coach where is the player progression? Which player has really improved under his tutelage?  I can't think of one?  It could be argued that some have regressed.  After a year there should be some signs of improvement: there are none.  Forget being a few points better off or a slightly better goal difference.  We've got that in spite of Johnson not because of him IMHO.

And as for this point:  "When choosing another manager....you need to do due diligence and homework and find someone that can do the job long term." why the hell did we hire Johnson in the first place then?  What indications were there before his appointment that he could do the job long term?

 

 

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16 minutes ago, spudski said:

I understand what you are saying...but...you cannot buy yourself success in this league. Nor can you keep changing managers every year and hope that one will click.

Some sort of perspective needs to be taken.

I mentioned all those clubs with far more experience than us, and often more money, better players and more experienced managers. Yet between just 1 and 5 points more than us.

You look at that, and take stock. If it were that easy, to just change a manager and it click, everyone would be doing it.

Plus people say, 'change the manager'. They have no idea which manager could work. They have no idea as to whether they would be willing to work with our present set up and ethos. Would they want their own coach's etc,etc,etc.

Certain fans don't seem to grasp these facts. It's not just about changing managers anymore. It's about working within our clubs new philosophy.

You need time...you need to ride the rough with the smooth. We've turned a corner and drawn and won our last two games. We aren't in the relegation zone and we still have 19 more games to play.

Give the lad a chance to try and make headway. If we are in the relegation zone and adrift with say 6 games to go...then take a gamble on a new coach.

Like I said...I'mnot convinced LJ is the man to take us to the play offs, but I'm convinced he can bring some stability. He's shown he and his team can bring in quality players, even into a struggling side, and he's as honest and hard working as the day is long.

Changing managers every year is not the answer...stats prove that.

So for that reason, I'm happy that the Club are sticking by LJ for the time being.

Very well said, yet again. 

I think it's actually quite a testament to the board and SL that Lee was not sacked.  It would have been the easiest thing to do, look at the record number of losses and pull the trigger.  Took sheer guts to stick with the man they all appreciate and respect, and believe is the right coach for the club.

For all the flack LJ has received, it matters not what a section of fans think.  It matters what is happening behind the scenes, and how the people in charge feel LJ is developing.

Simple fact is = if we take away the losing streak, City are currently in a very healthy position.  As you've said, we are not in a relegation spot, we do have a slight cushion, and also, our squad has the ability to start climbing the table.

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1 minute ago, cityloyal473 said:

What a ridiculous argument.  Why don't we take away the early season wins whilst were at it; see where we'd be then?

 

Nonsense.

Going back to your previous post, a lot of what you have said is simply down to sports psychology, prior to the losing streak we were playing good football, we had a clear shape with a system, and LJ only tweaked the team where required.  When we started losing every week, things became chaotic and panic / fear began to control proceedings.  LJ perhaps lost touch with what he had been trying to do, as the fear existed that we would continue losing.

Rationale minds were frayed and on edge; perhaps the players even felt this 'fear' and diminished as a consequence.

Now we've picked up a bit though, hopefully the positive mind-set can be restored and confidence will ensure we get back to playing the good football of the first part of the season.

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