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15 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

Brilliant coverage - Sutton substitute keeper eating a pie!

Looks like he might be in trouble. Apparently bookies were offering 8-1 on him being pictured eating a pie during the game:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/21/sutton-united-wayne-shaw-fa-betting-rules

Echoes of Craig Bellamy and the 'golf swing' celebration a few years ago (when bookies were offering 100-1), albeit worth noting that I don't think there was ever any investigation over the Bellamy inciden.

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5 minutes ago, North London Red said:

Looks like he might be in trouble. Apparently bookies were offering 8-1 on him being pictured eating a pie during the game:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/21/sutton-united-wayne-shaw-fa-betting-rules

Echoes of Craig Bellamy and the 'golf swing' celebration a few years ago (when bookies were offering 100-1).

Clearly knew what he was doing, why else would he be eating on the subs bench

Silly man admitetted the bet etc and his friends backing him on GMB this morning

The other shame was Sutton selling their shirt sponsor and two ends of their ground to the Sun !!

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1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Absolutely ridiculous thing to do. Did he honestly think it wouldn't come out?! How thick are some people?

I think he did know. But probably ensured he put enough money on it to make it worthwhile. 

And why not. Was hardly a lucrative career. And he didn't hurt anyone. 

Nevermind. 

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Well, he done his best to make it all about him, now he's paid the ultimate price

He was desperate for the camera to be on him whilst he ate it, one of the commentators even made a comment roughly along the lines of 'he's made a few quid for his mates there'

No sympathy whatsoever

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Funny how Sky Sports (part owned by a Mr R Murdoch) failed to mention that the sponsors were The Sun Bets (owner Mr R Murdoch).

Another grubby deal from a rag of a paper (or at least their betting company).

Clubs in Sutton's position have every right to make as much money from cup ties as they can but I hate it when they do deals with that paper. The Sun couldn't give two shits about grass roots football.

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5 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

Funny how Sky Sports (part owned by a Mr R Murdoch) failed to mention that the sponsors were The Sun Bets (owner Mr R Murdoch).

Another grubby deal from a rag of a paper (or at least their betting company).

Clubs in Sutton's position have every right to make as much money from cup ties as they can but I hate it when they do deals with that paper. The Sun couldn't give two shits about grass roots football.

The Sun Bets is operated by an Australian company, Tabcorp and uses The Sun name under license. The biggest of their shareholders is the Government Pension Fund of Norway.

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Am I the only one who feels sorry for the bloke?

He didn't bet on himself and of course he was going to tell his mates. Similar to when William Hill offered bets on Brazil to play in yellow at the world cup, of course people like David Luiz and Oscar informed others.

Bloke wanted his 15 mins of fame and to get his club press coverage. Job done. Gives his all for the club, including running the 3G pitch rentals during the week and sleeping in the club house Mon-Weds. Blokes like this, at these non-league clubs, often go unappreciated or unnoticed their entire lives. Has a chance to make some money and gain the club some limelight, so did it.

 

Let's remember that The Sun aren't blameless here either. This whole gimmick betting stuff is getting ridiculous and should be stopped. They were always going to get shafted one day. You can even bet on WWE Wrestlemania now, which has been scripted months in advance ffs. 

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31 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:

The Sun Bets is operated by an Australian company, Tabcorp and uses The Sun name under license. The biggest of their shareholders is the Government Pension Fund of Norway.

Good knowledge. Were you bored at lunchtime?

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52 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

I think he did know. But probably ensured he put enough money on it to make it worthwhile. 

And why not. Was hardly a lucrative career. And he didn't hurt anyone. 

Nevermind. 

Worth ruining any reputation you had though for a few extra quid? 

Where do bookies stand in situations like this where it's clear that there's been fraud/fixing of a market? Will they look to get out of paying out on bets?

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Agree with @SARJ, poor bloke has been swept along with all the euphoria of the tie. As someone who put a lot of hours into the club at worst he's been VERY naieve. 

He stated on GMB this morning he knew he couldn't bet or be associated with any bets, but the fact he knew about the odds and that a number of his friends and relatives backed the bet indicate sadly he made a massive mistake and knew what he was doing 

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1 hour ago, Fordy62 said:

I think he did know. But probably ensured he put enough money on it to make it worthwhile. 

And why not. Was hardly a lucrative career. And he didn't hurt anyone. 

Nevermind. 

Agreed.

What a lot of people seem to overlook is the reason why the rules banning those involved in sport, betting on sport, exist.

It is primarily to stop match fixing.

For that reason, massive over reaction by Sutton IMO.

Fair play to the guy for keeping to the spirit of the intention of the law but making mugs of the bookies.

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6 minutes ago, NickJ said:

Agreed.

What a lot of people seem to overlook is the reason why the rules banning those involved in sport, betting on sport, exist.

It is primarily to stop match fixing.

For that reason, massive over reaction by Sutton IMO.

Fair play to the guy for keeping to the spirit of the intention of the law but making mugs of the bookies.

The clip board carriers love a scapegoat, a fat bloke ate a pie, the bookies offered odds if he would eat one or not, he got wind of it and ate one, i cant see the problem, did he somehow match fix eating a pie ? I bet he eats a pie most days, he didnt get to that size on special k, looked proper tasty n all.

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41 minutes ago, alexukhc said:

He'll be a celebrity for about a year and make more monies in a week than he has ever earns all together from this, no doubt be the next face of ginsters or pukka pies, safe keeping from him

Damn!  You stole my next post....well done sir!

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1 minute ago, tts_city said:

The clip board carriers love a scapegoat, a fat bloke ate a pie, the bookies offered odds if he would eat one or not, he got wind of it and ate one, i cant see the problem, did he somehow match fix eating a pie ? I bet he eats a pie most days, he didnt get to that size on special k, looked proper tasty n all.

Someone must have told him there were odds on it and he ate one, big deal

if he didn't bet what's the issue

why was there a bet in the first place, bizarre 

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5 minutes ago, phantom said:

It's not match fixing but definitely manipulating betting. 

Bookies surely have to be blamed too for putting such a ridiculous bet online anyway 

Exactly its the bookies fault, taking it the other ridiculous way  if he hadnt eaten the pie and knew about the bet he could be accused of being in cahoots with the bookies and ripping punters off. He seems a great character to have about a place,  not enough of those about or allowed to be about with all the box ticking po faced miserable gits about these days.

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2 hours ago, SARJ said:

Am I the only one who feels sorry for the bloke?

He didn't bet on himself and of course he was going to tell his mates. Similar to when William Hill offered bets on Brazil to play in yellow at the world cup, of course people like David Luiz and Oscar informed others...

Happy to risk a whoosh if you're looking for one, but why on earth would a Bookies offer odds on Brazil playing in their famous home colours at a World Cup?

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If he had bet on it then he deserves whatever he gets.

If not then it's all a fuss over nothing. He spotted that they were taking the piss out of his size by offering odds and then ate a pie to take the piss back.

What's next, a player scores a hat trick and we investigate them because Paddy Power offered odds on it?

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55 minutes ago, tts_city said:

Exactly its the bookies fault, taking it the other ridiculous way  if he hadnt eaten the pie and knew about the bet he could be accused of being in cahoots with the bookies and ripping punters off. He seems a great character to have about a place,  not enough of those about or allowed to be about with all the box ticking po faced miserable gits about these days.

This - surely it's manipulating the bet either way if he knew about it?

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3 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Worth ruining any reputation you had though for a few extra quid? 

Where do bookies stand in situations like this where it's clear that there's been fraud/fixing of a market? Will they look to get out of paying out on bets?

Where's the fraud? 

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Sun Bets came out with a ludicrous bet that one man would do something dumb has paid out cash on the bet. In the meantime the goalie's own bet on himself has gone public and there is much wailing and knashing of teeth, and as a by product everybody is talking about Sun Bets.

Luckily I don't believe in conspiracy theories or you'd think they had all been in cahoots to make more publicity.

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He was obviously playing along and taking the piss, all three subs had been used and he had no way of affecting the game. Still the FA ***** have to get on their high horse and launch an investigation.

Yet Joey Barton can rack up hundreds if not thousands of betting offences, and still gets to try and get Lincoln players off in the same competition whilst continuing to earn thousands of pounds. 

Utter Bollocks. 

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If there was any party acting irresponsibly in this situation it's Sun Bet.

What on earth did they think was going to happen when they publicized this.

like the previous poster, I feel sorry for the bloke - he was simply joining in on the joke (at his expense) and having a laugh.

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2 hours ago, CotswoldRed said:

Where's the fraud? 

Fraud is probably the wrong terminology, but he was no doubt in breach of professional conduct given the stringent gambling legislation around football. 

Clearly the guy had a financial interest at stake in the outcome. 

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5 hours ago, phantom said:

Imagine bets will be voided and sun bets investigated to see if they asked him to do it 

I'm confused. If the betting company asked him to do it wouldn't they be setting themselves up for a loss when he did?

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4 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Happy to risk a whoosh if you're looking for one, but why on earth would a Bookies offer odds on Brazil playing in their famous home colours at a World Cup?

I'm pretty sure the bet was limited to 10 quid for new online punters only. I knew a couple of people who done it because it was an easy way to win 20 quid. 

I have no idea where David Luiz comes into it though. I'm sure he ain't bothered about the chance to win 20 quid

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7 hours ago, alexukhc said:

He'll be a celebrity for about a year and make more monies in a week than he has ever earns all together from this, no doubt be the next face of ginsters or pukka pies, safe keeping from him

I think you underestimate the gravity of the situation, I imagine this will be investigated at the highest level.. it'll go to the very top ... all the way to the Pieminister who will no doubt be taking great interest in Mr Shaw.

Reckon Mr Shaw may not have FAcupped too badly on a personal level after all.

If I was a pie seller I'd be promoting a bogof two for one offer  ... Buy One Get One For FA !

 

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8 hours ago, ploppy said:

I'm confused. If the betting company asked him to do it wouldn't they be setting themselves up for a loss when he did?

That's what's confused me too, unless he does it regularly at matches. But then offering odds of 8-1 would seem well generous I would think. So making him aware of these odds gives him the opportunity to affect the outcome, and therefore make some people,if not himself,easy money. But why would a bookmaker do this, it's them that are paying out, publicity? (I'm not a betting person so apologies if this isn't how it works). 

No it couldn't affect the match in anyway, but I guess it's to stop other bets being made in future. Eg an unused sub could be 'encouraged' to kick a water bottle in temper or something. These bets are really stupid and should be removed.

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27 minutes ago, RedM said:

That's what's confused me too, unless he does it regularly at matches. But then offering odds of 8-1 would seem well generous I would think. So making him aware of these odds gives him the opportunity to affect the outcome, and therefore make some people,if not himself,easy money. But why would a bookmaker do this, it's them that are paying out, publicity? (I'm not a betting person so apologies if this isn't how it works). 

No it couldn't affect the match in anyway, but I guess it's to stop other bets being made in future. Eg an unused sub could be 'encouraged' to kick a water bottle in temper or something. These bets are really stupid and should be removed.

A role for Engvali at last!

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41 minutes ago, RedM said:

That's what's confused me too, unless he does it regularly at matches. But then offering odds of 8-1 would seem well generous I would think. So making him aware of these odds gives him the opportunity to affect the outcome, and therefore make some people,if not himself,easy money. But why would a bookmaker do this, it's them that are paying out, publicity? (I'm not a betting person so apologies if this isn't how it works). 

No it couldn't affect the match in anyway, but I guess it's to stop other bets being made in future. Eg an unused sub could be 'encouraged' to kick a water bottle in temper or something. These bets are really stupid and should be removed.

MASSIVE International Publicity and all for the price of a couple of grand lost. To get their name and brand disected/viewed all around the world is advertising they simply can't buy. It's the national disgrace that is the Sun that instigated this as well as sponsoring them last night. Surely that's no surprise!!

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12 minutes ago, RaspberryRed said:

MASSIVE International Publicity and all for the price of a couple of grand lost. To get their name and brand disected/viewed all around the world is advertising they simply can't buy. It's the national disgrace that is the Sun that instigated this as well as sponsoring them last night. Surely that's no surprise!!

That can be the only reason can't it. I did cringe a bit when I saw the team run out with Sun Bets or whatever it was plastered on their shirts instead of their usual sponsors ( obviously I don't know who their usual sponsors are but felt a bit gutted that some local scaffolders or someone lost out to the Sun because of the money they offered). I bet Sutton are gutted now, dragged into all this, used by the Scum and lost a valued employee as I doubt if their name wasn't on the shirts the bet would never have been in place.

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33 minutes ago, RedM said:

That can be the only reason can't it. I did cringe a bit when I saw the team run out with Sun Bets or whatever it was plastered on their shirts instead of their usual sponsors ( obviously I don't know who their usual sponsors are but felt a bit gutted that some local scaffolders or someone lost out to the Sun because of the money they offered). I bet Sutton are gutted now, dragged into all this, used by the Scum and lost a valued employee as I doubt if their name wasn't on the shirts the bet would never have been in place.

It's a huge publicity stunt and it worked. It's funny people think Shaw got one over the betting companies. Oh no, he was their puppet.

Stand Sun Bets out from the crowd by doing a stupid bet about a pie.

BBC then cover the incident on TV in great detail. They spoke about the keeper before the game and then director chose to show him, what 2 or 3 times eating the pie? Plus replays? What's that got to do with a football match? Nothing, so the BBC look suspiciously in on it too.

Claim (more publicity?) they've paid out a 5 figure sum.....ooh a 5 figure, that's a big amount everyone thinks, they must do good odds!

Lots of press and publicity - (again most people read about it on the BBC website...huh)

It's a crowded market and if you had to google an online betting company right now, you'd probably google Sun Bets because it's on the tip of the tongue and people will be intrigued what other kind of random bets they may offer.

Next weekend Sun Bets makes far far more than what they paid out in bets over the pie. Short term loss....long term gain.

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14 minutes ago, phantom said:

Just thinking that the "powers that be" are hauling him up for influencing the bet as he knew about the 8 to 1 odds

Surely if he DIDN'T eat the pie, but knew about the odds he could have been influencing the betting too?

I guess in that situation the betting company would have pocketed all the money, assuming anyone would have put money on, but why would they if he knew he wasn't going to eat a pie he wouldn't have told his mates to bet would he! The BBC would never have filmed him not eating a pie, no news there.

I guess it could have gone wrong as he might have been aware and got his mates to bet their weeks wages only for the other keeper to have picked up an injury and had to come off, he would have to have come on knowing he couldn't eat a pie in order for the bet to be paid out!

 

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17 hours ago, SARJ said:

Am I the only one who feels sorry for the bloke?

He didn't bet on himself and of course he was going to tell his mates. Similar to when William Hill offered bets on Brazil to play in yellow at the world cup, of course people like David Luiz and Oscar informed others.

Bloke wanted his 15 mins of fame and to get his club press coverage. Job done. Gives his all for the club, including running the 3G pitch rentals during the week and sleeping in the club house Mon-Weds. Blokes like this, at these non-league clubs, often go unappreciated or unnoticed their entire lives. Has a chance to make some money and gain the club some limelight, so did it.

 

Let's remember that The Sun aren't blameless here either. This whole gimmick betting stuff is getting ridiculous and should be stopped. They were always going to get shafted one day. You can even bet on WWE Wrestlemania now, which has been scripted months in advance ffs. 

it was a stupid thing to do, if he was a pro I wouldn't feel sorry for him but he's a part time footballer so I do have a degree of sympathy for him  

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