Red-Robbo Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, 29AR said: Maybe. To be honest Bobby did offer that but as you allude to, many balls went around. You either press as a team a la Klopp or you don't frankly imo. There's no point closing one player only to have your teammates not closing their options - be them even backwards. Otherwise you're just flogging individuals and begging to lose shape without reasonable chance of regaining possession. The players you mention, Tomlin and O'Neil cannot do this for 90. I don't think they could for 45 even. 2 players not up to fitness and team pressing is not an option. In which case, start Pack. As soon as I heard we had a central midfield of Brownhill and Hegeler, I knew we wouldn't win. I can't say I predicted just how dire it would be, but maybe I underestimated Lee's talent for unincentivising the team. This thread's about Adam Matthews, so we're going off tangent here, but I honestly feel you might as well play Frank Fielding - or perhaps one of the stewards - as a defensive midfielder as Josh Brownhill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Not great tonight and probably time for Vyner to step up. Can't see 3-5-2 working as we don't have quality wing backs. Also not impressed with this keeper, Frankie may. May not be perfect, but of the 4 tried so far he looks the best. Yet again, the lack of pace in the team exposed, and teams have learnt to push up on us and hurry us, so that we resort to hoofing long balls forward, or just give the ball away. Also asking a lot of two strikers new to Championship football to carry the attacking threat, especially given the poor service they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Just now, Chappers said: Not great tonight and probably time for Vyner to step up. Can't see 3-5-2 working as we don't have quality wing backs. Also not impressed with this keeper, Frankie may. May not be perfect, but of the 4 tried so far he looks the best. Yet again, the lack of pace in the team exposed, and teams have learnt to push up on us and hurry us, so that we resort to hoofing long balls forward, or just give the ball away. Also asking a lot of two strikers new to Championship football to carry the attacking threat, especially given the poor service they get. I wouldn't blame the keeper for either goal. He also made at least two very decent saves, and came out of his box to kick to safety when Fulham threatened with yet another breakaway. Kicking not great, but improving. But Fielding is not exactly great in that respect either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 46 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: I'm with you on all of them except Tomlin. I'm about as done with him as the OP is with Matthews. I cringed when the fans sang his name and applauded him when he came on. He's had about 1 decent performance in about 20. He came on tonight and did exactly what I thought he would, nothing. Anyway, I don't want to go too off topic. Thought Reid lacked in quality but was willing to close people down. Watched him chase down 3 Fulham players as they each passed around Joe Bryan as he pretty much watched. He tried to push us forward and tried to shoot. Probably the only player I've seen not be effected by our negative style. Brownhill for as good as he's been, is just far too safe. No risk in his game and he doesn't bring enough defensively for me to keep starting him. Won't get forward, doesn't pass forward and won't really go full on in a tackle. He safe safe safe which is fine but once we go a goal down he's lost. He's developed a lot since he got here but he has mastered no one thing yet. Back to Joe. He was about as disinterested as I've ever seen a player. Had a little spark when he was moved central for a bit but on the wing, didn't get out of half speed once. Won't try to run in behind and didn't sprint back when Fredericks(glad he didn't start) got in time after time. When Joe finally does well it comes to the cross. I told someone sat in front of me, that's why we don't cross. He is a woeful crosser. COD should've never lost that spot to begin with and should start from here on out. He's positive, he's quick and he wins dangerous free kicks. Final product? Name me a city player with one. Magnusson for Flint. Done with Flint as well. He tries but he's too nice and just not a good enough footballer. Happy to let people receive the ball to feet. Doesn't go through anyone or kick them in the back of the legs. I don't mean it in a dirty way either. Just look at Bailey Wright. Doesn't let player settled with the ball. Gets into them, pushes them and kicks them. More times than not, play goes on and every once in awhile it slows their attack as a foul is called. Flint is too nice and if we are going to have nice out there, better a nice guy that can play football. Magnusson probably won't be going through anyone either. No what else he won't do? He won't have time to bring a ball down but instead head it as far and as high as he can. Flint gives the ball back like this a good 10-15 times a game. Mate, you can take a quick glance at where your team is and cushion a header to someone as a pass. How many times have I seen that man with 10 yards of space crouch down to pound the ball 25 yards back to the other team? He's a serious liability. Love him and I think he loves the club and gives his all but he's nowhere near championship standard. Woeful Rotherham have 2 CBs I would take right now over Flint. Vyner at RB all day. Every game right now is tough but Newcastle could be a real hiding. I wouldn't want to shatter his confidence but again it could work as motivation as well if he gets taught a few lessons. Tough call for Saturday but I wouldn't be upset if he started. Just a little worried. Sorry for the long reply. It's more a response to you and a new post altogether. Hated pretty much everything tonight. Coach is clueless, players didn't try and watched a quality side thinking that's the type of football we should be playing. Just now getting dry and warm as well so really just a miserable night. I suspect that's why we have not seen him for a long while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Not been impressed by this keeper at all, looks very shaky to me and does not command the box at all. Also been caught flat footed more often that you'd expect. Then again, after all the recent debacles, a debate about which pretty average keeper is better seems a tad pointless. Who picks the ball out of the back of the net with the greater style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 To be honest, if Steve Cotterill had brought Zak Vyner back from a loan where by all accounts he was outstanding, and then in a match where he was one of only two options at RB against an opposition well known to play with pacy wingers, and then chose to play someone as pedestrian and routinely at fault as Matthews, people would have crucified him and cited it as evidence that SC was stubbornly blocking youth development at the club. It always amazes me that LJ seems to get a pass on this. Personally I think it is laughable that one of the things Cotterill got so written off about, is given to be part of the reason SL/MA have LJ here. LJ only plays youth arbitrarily when their number comes up in his team selection tombola. Perhaps if Cotterill continually bought more players and relegated £3m+ worth of younger ones to loans, he'd be considered a "youth development" specialist too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady bunch Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 13 hours ago, AppyDAZE said: Anyone who saw that interview with him in the summer could see that he didn't want to be here, but had no other options. Major disappointment but nowhere near the only one. So true, go back and watch it, never wanted to be here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 7 hours ago, brady bunch said: So true, go back and watch it, never wanted to be here Shame that wasn't spotted by someone at the club really, because the fans noticed it straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 He is really making previous "totally crap" right backs like Brian Mitchell, Marvin Harriott and Ncky Hunt look like polished internationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redapple Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 22 hours ago, Davefevs said: I thought he was okay 1st half....but I think he may have played his last 55 minutes for the club. I normally respect your opinions but have to disagree on this occasion. Matthews was lazy in the first half, gave to much space to Fulham Left Forward, generally poor positioning & some shockingly bad passes. His body language was awful ( in fairness it always is)and he never seemed to get beyond three quarter pace. Should have been replaced at half time with Heggler and Bryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 35 minutes ago, redapple said: I normally respect your opinions but have to disagree on this occasion. Matthews was lazy in the first half, gave to much space to Fulham Left Forward, generally poor positioning & some shockingly bad passes. His body language was awful ( in fairness it always is)and he never seemed to get beyond three quarter pace. Should have been replaced at half time with Heggler and Bryan. Hey, no problems. I thought he was okay in relation to everyone else....I guess we were poor all round. Him and several others were both the cause and effect of us not being able to close the ball down. A collective failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 On 23/02/2017 at 00:38, Chappers said: Not great tonight and probably time for Vyner to step up. Can't see 3-5-2 working as we don't have quality wing backs. Also not impressed with this keeper, Frankie may. May not be perfect, but of the 4 tried so far he looks the best. Yet again, the lack of pace in the team exposed, and teams have learnt to push up on us and hurry us, so that we resort to hoofing long balls forward, or just give the ball away. Also asking a lot of two strikers new to Championship football to carry the attacking threat, especially given the poor service they get. Play Vyner at Newcastle they will take him apart,bit at a time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry2157. Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Saw a tweet from an Ipswich fan at the game and he even picked him out of everyone as being the worst player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartley Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 On 22/02/2017 at 22:44, 29AR said: Just feel he deserves his own thread. I have never hated a player as much as I hate Adam Matthews. He's a conman, he's a fraud, he's a toothless **** and having watched this team for decades I struggle to think of a player more disappointing than him. I hope I NEVER see him in a Bristol City shirt again. If he ever comes back to AG as opposition I will boo every single touch. Yes, I may have a complex, I may need therapy, but this bloke... given his involvement in Tammy's driving error also, worst signing ever. And you lot were wondering why we (CCFC) got rid of him. I seem to remember a few of you here getting excited when you signed him because he came from Celtic. It just goes to show how shit the SPL is, we found out years ago that he wasn't a Championship defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 On 24/02/2017 at 06:40, Robert the bruce said: Play Vyner at Newcastle they will take him apart,bit at a time.. Wrong!!!!!! Vyner was excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Chappers said: Wrong!!!!!! Vyner was excellent Was caught out of position,time and again..read the write ups of those who were there.we got away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 I was there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 On 24/02/2017 at 08:04, Bartley said: And you lot were wondering why we (CCFC) got rid of him. I seem to remember a few of you here getting excited when you signed him because he came from Celtic. It just goes to show how shit the SPL is, we found out years ago that he wasn't a Championship defender. Technically he is Attitude / professionally he's barely non league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 28 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Was caught out of position,time and again..read the write ups of those who were there.we got away with it. At least the lad had a go. 3rd time in a City shirt with the first team, up against Prem quality forwards. Essentially made Adam Matthews with all his experience and seniority, look like a mannequin in the Debenhams shop window, the day after Black Friday. I'd rather have a trier than a can't be arsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 10 minutes ago, Septic Peg said: At least the lad had a go. 3rd time in a City shirt with the first team, up against Prem quality forwards. Essentially made Adam Matthews with all his experience and seniority, look like a mannequin in the Debenhams shop window, the day after Black Friday. I'd rather have a trier than a can't be arsed. Agreed,not knocking his spirit or effort and good luck to him-felt it was a dodgy game to put him in and that we got away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 35 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Was caught out of position,time and again..read the write ups of those who were there.we got away with it. I was there, and while Atsu had him several times, he played very well against on opposition player who could easily play for a Premier League team. Vyner lost him a few times, but often positioned himself (or with advice those around him) well enough to counter balls out to Atsu, and has zero fear on putting a foot in to challenge or hoof it away when needed - and frequently made the right decision on both counts. He'd start above Matthews every time for me; think the lad did well in tough test of his ability and mentality yesterday, and shows great promise. I only wish we had a player of similar promise at left back, because as good as Bryan is, I don't think he has the requisite safety first 'Spider-Sense' that Vyner seems to possess. Young Joe is an excellent midfielder; he's not a defender - if anything, we got away more with him at fullback yesterday; good thing him and O'Dowda push their right side back so much by going forward. Shout out to 'Lost Boy' Magnusson BTW; came on, and immediately went in for an aerial challenge that involved him absolutely laying out the Newcastle player, and then put himself in the way of shots and passes repeatedly and well. Honestly think our Icelandic international is a tremendous talent, and pleased he's back in the match day squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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