Langford Red Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: I can't believe that he is still head coach . If certain supporters named Keith Millen ' Teflon ' wtf does that make LJ ? I am getting to the point of not caring anymore. Me either We have become an embarrassment Lj is now saying there is no way he will lieve I for one, will not allow him to ruin my Saturdays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: I expected him to go today. If he was going today, I would have expected him to have gone already. And if last night's result wasn't enough to prompt his sacking, I can't see that there is anything that would. So I can only conclude that he is here for the duration of the season, if not beyond. It is astonishing that a manager who has benefitted from strong financial backing, stability off the pitch and no mitigating circumstances on the pitch, such as an injury crisis, is capable of surviving this. I've supported this club long enough not to expect the sensible thing to happen, but Johnson's continued survival is probably the strangest decision of them all. Even if there is no suitable coach available and willing to take on the role - one of the only reasons I can think of for him still being here - it has got the stage where is would simply be better to put a caretaker in charge. His mere presence at the club is fast becoming toxic and detrimental to our chances of survival. His record is inexcusable, and so it the decision to keep him in the post. Simply unfathomable. CR could be connected in someway with the set of negatives he has that are firmly locked in the safe at the Bank of England in Wine Street. Need to get Miss Marple on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, samo II said: I agree: if he didn't get the Spanish Archer after nine defeats, he's unlikely to get it until we're beyond saving... It was eight league defeats in a row....please don't make this season sound worse than it already is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kashmir Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Monkeh said: its 92% at the moment Ah just seen the thread. 93.7% right now! Incredible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Why would they travel up 48-hours early? They're all going out on socials, as per LJs interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 27 minutes ago, Top Robin said: What time of day did Cotts get the boot? I think the text message took quite a while to arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said: They're all going out on socials, as per LJs interview. Visit to Newcastle Brown Brewery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDLEE Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I've always wanted LJ to be a success here, but the time to go was after Forest. Unfortunately I've got a feeling he'll still be our manager for the opening game next season regardless of what league we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa_bcfc Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Not even a statement from the board ( if they actually exist). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Sorry Major, I thought you were enquiring after otib members still looking for crumbs of comfort on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkRed! Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Incredible... i cannot believe he has not been sacked... The display yesterday was a 'please sack the manager' showing by the team. It was a horrible performance in all respects...What upset me was how we stood off Fulham and let them dictate the game... It was schoolboy stuff.... We have and are going backwards. To say there was no energy is a disgrace from LJ. He needs to be sacked and now. Even a double winning manager was not given this time or resource....LJ is simply not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 The reason nothings been announced yet, is because they're still sorting out the details of the compensation owed. Wishful thinking?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacki Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Taz said: The reason nothings been announced yet, is because they're still sorting out the details of the compensation owed. Wishful thinking?? I really, really hope you're right. But for some reason I have a feeling this fiasco will go on for a bit longer yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Jacki said: I really, really hope you're right. But for some reason I have a feeling this fiasco will go on for a bit longer yet. I fear you are correct. The contract extension was badly timed (and needless), and since he has done nothing to show why it was given!!! It really wouldn't surprise me if he was still in charge for the first game of next season. Regardless of which league we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreet Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 30 minutes ago, Monkeh said: yes it has, its worse The most effortless disorganised performance all season . Late night , 100 mile round trip to watch utter rubbish . The players looked disinterested . 20 grand a week ? ! Not worth 20 grand a year some of them . Desperate times . And all avoidable . LJ press conf was derisory . Need " energy to get close "... need to integrate team socialising . FFS how about some basics like running , tackling back . Fulham number 20 was substituted as he was clearly knackered . He had played well. Are any of ours tired ? I doubt it . Absolute disgrace . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 36 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: It was eight league defeats in a row....please don't make this season sound worse than it already is! My apologies. We've lost so many times this season (2nd highest amount behind Rotherham, in fact) I seem to be forgetting what 'other' type of results are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 36 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: They're all going out on socials, as per LJs interview. Bet they can't even score in the Bigg Market.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, samo II said: My apologies. We've lost so many times this season (2nd highest amount behind Rotherham, in fact) I seem to be forgetting what 'other' type of results are... there are other results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 44 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: It is astonishing that a manager who has benefitted from strong financial backing, stability off the pitch and no mitigating circumstances on the pitch, such as an injury crisis, is capable of surviving this. I've supported this club long enough not to expect the sensible thing to happen, but Johnson's continued survival is probably the strangest decision of them all. Even if there is no suitable coach available and willing to take on the role - one of the only reasons I can think of for him still being here - it has got the stage where is would simply be better to put a caretaker in charge. His mere presence at the club is fast becoming toxic and detrimental to our chances of survival. His record is inexcusable, and so it the decision to keep him in the post. Simply unfathomable. I generally try not to quote in full but this is brilliantly written and argued and says everything that needs to be said. Nothing to add. But on a related point (!) - given I share your view of this bizarre inevitability of him going nowhere, I've been thinking quite a lot about why he doesn't just quit himself? He has said a lot about how much he loves this club, and I have tried to put myself in his shoes. It is easy for me to say, but I can't reconcile loving the club with persisting on regardless, but I'm open to debate this. Perhaps he is convinced he can put things right and feels it's his duty. Perhaps some would consider him a "quitter"? Perhaps he thinks leaving means he doesn't love City? I would have thought loving the club equated to not allowing it to continue suffering, doing the right thing. Having the pride of a person who in any other walk of life makes a mistake and tenders their resignation because they take pride in their own standards. I'm pretty sure I would have quit by now - if I loved the club why would I want to go right to the bloody end and destroy everything I had with it. Tinnion knew when to go and it showed what the club meant to him and why he has been able to rebuild a strong and warm relationship with the club. I think LJ is a nice bloke who means well but I'm going to say it - I don't think he loves the club the way he claims. He loved the idea of a club where he had some previous and the goodwill of the ownership, and the comfort of a place he lived and has family. He loved the very basic value of it being a club he knew and had some previous in, versus small Northern towns. This is all very different from loves the club prepared to put it above all else. Even if it's down to a pay off - sacrifice a little money on a compromise pay-off and go by mutual consent. But no, he doesn't. So is it blind duty, massive self-belief or is it that he doesn't equate his "love" for the club as one which will outlast his own employment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Olé said: But on a related point (!) - given I share your view of this bizarre inevitability of him going nowhere, I've been thinking quite a lot about why he doesn't just quit himself? He has said a lot about how much he loves this club, and I have tried to put myself in his shoes. It is easy for me to say, but I can't reconcile loving the club with persisting on regardless, but I'm open to debate this. Perhaps he is convinced he can put things right and feels it's his duty. Perhaps some would consider him a "quitter"? Perhaps he thinks leaving means he doesn't love City? Nobody quits these days. Even if he did love the club more than the rest of us (and I agree with you that this is very unlikely) then it weakens your negotiation when you quit within a contracted period. He might not be a great coach but I think he's financially shrewd. In terms of the other posts about why we haven't heard anything yet, that doesn't mean it isn't going to happen today. It always takes a while to arrange someone's terms for departure. We all know it won't be a sacking or a resignation, it'll be mutually agreed and that means some form of financial compromise. And as @cityloyal473 says above, it's almost not worth taking any action before Newcastle and the expectation that we were always going to lose that match. But, if we're looking for a "bounce" then an LJ departure before Villa or Burton might be better timing. Saturday's result could be the next key moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Xiled said: Nobody quits these days. Even if he did love the club more than the rest of us (and I agree with you that this is very unlikely) then it weakens your negotiation when you quit within a contracted period. He might not be a great coach but I think he's financially shrewd. In terms of the other posts about why we haven't heard anything yet, that doesn't mean it isn't going to happen today. It always takes a while to arrange someone's terms for departure. We all know it won't be a sacking or a resignation, it'll be mutually agreed and that means some form of financial compromise. And as @cityloyal473 says above, it's almost not worth taking any action before Newcastle and the expectation that we were always going to lose that match. But, if we're looking for a "bounce" then an LJ departure before Villa or Burton might be better timing. Saturday's result could be the next key moment. Cotts was called in a lunch time, the club announced it 8 hours later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, Monkeh said: there are other results? I hear myths of these things called 'draws' and 'wins', but they are pretty rare, apparently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 hours ago, oldstandrobin said: I'm feeling same as Cidered abroad. Been going down AG for nearly 59 years now. 1st date with missus was taking her to see City. Sponsored club in the First Division with business hoarding on Dolman Stand, and like CA only didnt go down when lived in Spain and Lancashire. Going to Wembley on Sunday, guest of my brother who is a Saints ST holder and am so b*****y disillusioned with the whole way from top to bottom this club is run. Sadly, it has now become a virtual dictatorship with one mans voice running the whole show and for some reason only known to him , he fiddles whilst Rome burns.In any other business he would have lost most of his customers by now and on the edge of bankruptcy. I would compliment him on his rags to riches rise in the Financial field but suggest that he does a night school course on running a football club Well said sir... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, samo II said: My apologies. We've lost so many times this season (2nd highest amount behind Rotherham, in fact) I seem to be forgetting what 'other' type of results are... No need to apologise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Olé said: I generally try not to quote in full but this is brilliantly written and argued and says everything that needs to be said. Nothing to add. But on a related point (!) - given I share your view of this bizarre inevitability of him going nowhere, I've been thinking quite a lot about why he doesn't just quit himself? He has said a lot about how much he loves this club, and I have tried to put myself in his shoes. It is easy for me to say, but I can't reconcile loving the club with persisting on regardless, but I'm open to debate this. Perhaps he is convinced he can put things right and feels it's his duty. Perhaps some would consider him a "quitter"? Perhaps he thinks leaving means he doesn't love City? I would have thought loving the club equated to not allowing it to continue suffering, doing the right thing. Having the pride of a person who in any other walk of life makes a mistake and tenders their resignation because they take pride in their own standards. I'm pretty sure I would have quit by now - if I loved the club why would I want to go right to the bloody end and destroy everything I had with it. Tinnion knew when to go and it showed what the club meant to him and why he has been able to rebuild a strong and warm relationship with the club. I think LJ is a nice bloke who means well but I'm going to say it - I don't think he loves the club the way he claims. He loved the idea of a club where he had some previous and the goodwill of the ownership, and the comfort of a place he lived and has family. He loved the very basic value of it being a club he knew and had some previous in, versus small Northern towns. This is all very different from loves the club prepared to put it above all else. Even if it's down to a pay off - sacrifice a little money on a compromise pay-off and go by mutual consent. But no, he doesn't. So is it blind duty, massive self-belief or is it that he doesn't equate his "love" for the club as one which will outlast his own employment? "Nothing to add"....3 paragraphs later....;-) Kidding of course, very good point Ole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant plucker Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 6 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Fair play Thatch u took a lot of shit on here . Fair play!? He had no way of knowing what the outcome of LJ'S tenure would be. The flack he took was entirely justified in my opinion. Booing a new managerial appointment? Have a word with yourself Let's hope he likes the sound of the next incumbent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Pheasant plucker said: Fair play!? He had no way of knowing what the outcome of LJ'S tenure would be. The flack he took was entirely justified in my opinion. Booing a new managerial appointment? Have a word with yourself Let's hope he likes the sound of the next incumbent Fair play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 5 hours ago, Kashmir said: Ah just seen the thread. 93.7% right now! Incredible! OTIB is not representative of City fans though, most of the actual fans do not come here and still support Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Olé said: I've been thinking quite a lot about why he doesn't just quit himself? He has said a lot about how much he loves this club, and I have tried to put myself in his shoes. It is easy for me to say, but.... Arrogance. Not much different to SC and most managers. They all think they are doing a great job and just a bit of luck, one win and all will be good. That's why the board/owner need to relieve him of his duties - LJ probably really believes he's not far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Fiale said: OTIB is not representative of City fans though, most of the actual fans do not come here and still support Lee Then they are even more misguided than the red few on otib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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