'Orns Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, Olé said: Nope - he is mentioned alongside him: A few things stand out for me here If you're going to name someone, name him. What's the big deal, it's hardly going to be a best seller, is it? If Gary Shelton didn't like Andy (I won't call him Andrew!) Cole, then that is good enough for me Casual racism. Yeah, Andy wasn't popular because he was black, Leroy. I think we've all seen / heard stories of his general aloofness throughout his career. Didn't he leave Arsenal because he thought he should be starting there? Confident fella, obviously, but it does rub certain people up the wrong way. White, Chinese, Asian people are the same. I very much doubt it had anything to do with the colour of his skin. That really boils my piss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 25 minutes ago, Olé said: Nope - he is mentioned alongside him: Thanks Ole Interesting I was loosely 'around' at the club in these days and I think you may find some of the players didn't take to Andy Cole as he was quite insular full stop , wouldn't train if it was very cold and surrounded himself with his own group of 'friends' most of which he brought with him Obviously not Aizlewood as you say so as for 'Andy Dean' gonna have to keep thinking Andy May ? Atteveld ? Osman ? 'Jacki' was a big personality but generally popular I'd have said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I was loosely 'around' at the club in these days Obviously not Aizlewood as you say so as for 'Andy Dean' gonna have to keep thinking it's ok Bob, I think we've found our 'Andy Dean'.....nice try, Deano!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, Woodsy said: A few things stand out for me here If you're going to name someone, name him. What's the big deal, it's hardly going to be a best seller, is it? If Gary Shelton didn't like Andy (I won't call him Andrew!) Cole, then that is good enough for me Casual racism. Yeah, Andy wasn't popular because he was black, Leroy. I think we've all seen / heard stories of his general aloofness throughout his career. Didn't he leave Arsenal because he thought he should be starting there? Confident fella, obviously, but it does rub certain people up the wrong way. White, Chinese, Asian people are the same. I very much doubt it had anything to do with the colour of his skin. That really boils my piss Agreed Woodsy, not sure Shelton, Aizelwood and whoever "Andy Dean" is supposed to be, will be too happy about being associated with that either. "Did the colour of his skin affect how they treated him? I wouldn't know about that" - then why ******* speculate?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Thanks Ole Interesting I was loosely 'around' at the club in these days and I think you may find some of the players didn't take to Andy Cole as he was quite insular full stop , wouldn't train if it was very cold and surrounded himself with his own group of 'friends' most of which he brought with him Obviously not Aizlewood as you say so as for 'Andy Dean' gonna have to keep thinking Probably Lee Johnson . Boo ! Johnson Out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 minute ago, glynriley said: Agreed woodsy, not sure Shelton, Aizelwood and whoever "Andy Dean" is supposed to be, will be too happy about being associate with that either. "Did the colour of his skin affect how they treated him? I wouldn't know about that" - then why ******* speculate?? Does seem odd that Shelts and Aizlewood are named, but 'Andy Dean' gets away with it. Very odd Just googled MA as I remember he'd got himself in a spot of bother not long back, read that his estranged wife had committed suicide as well. Tough times for the big man Your last sentence just about sums it up for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, Woodsy said: A few things stand out for me here If you're going to name someone, name him. What's the big deal, it's hardly going to be a best seller, is it? If Gary Shelton didn't like Andy (I won't call him Andrew!) Cole, then that is good enough for me Casual racism. Yeah, Andy wasn't popular because he was black, Leroy. I think we've all seen / heard stories of his general aloofness throughout his career. Didn't he leave Arsenal because he thought he should be starting there? Confident fella, obviously, but it does rub certain people up the wrong way. White, Chinese, Asian people are the same. I very much doubt it had anything to do with the colour of his skin. That really boils my piss Don't think LR means Shelts didn't like Cole , just had him as a big personality Not well written but the comma is key before 'Andy Dean ......' I can assure you Gary Shelton was one of the nicest people you'd ever meet inside or outside football and if anyone has any doubt , listen to Chris Honors talk with GT on a recent Sound Of The City Intelligent and great bloke all round is Gary Shelton Great footballer , great Dad , great captain , great leader Edit Just re read the passage and it does suggest / imply / say MA & Shelts didn't like the fact AC didn't like the things they did From my personal experience MA was a bit of a loud , aggressive personality but as I've written above Shelts , in my experience was almost a polar opposite Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Don't think LR means Shelts didn't like Cole , just had him as a big personality Not well written but the comma is key before 'Andy Dean ......' I can assure you Gary Shelton was one of the nicest people you'd ever meet inside or outside football and if anyone has any doubt , listen to Chris Honors talk with GT on a recent Sound Of The City Intelligent and great bloke all round is Gary Shelton Great footballer , great Dad , great captain , great leader That's good to know, I loved the bloke as a player. Glad that he's still well thought of by ex team mates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Don't think LR means Shelts didn't like Cole , just had him as a big personality Not well written but the comma is key before 'Andy Dean ......' I can assure you Gary Shelton was one of the nicest people you'd ever meet inside or outside football and if anyone has any doubt , listen to Chris Honors talk with GT on a recent Sound Of The City Intelligent and great bloke all round is Gary Shelton Great footballer , great Dad , great captain , great leader Oh for a Shelton now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: All the stars use ghost writers for their 'autobiographies'. Just ask Phil Spectre. & Pete Townsend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Woodsy said: Does seem odd that Shelts and Aizlewood are named, but 'Andy Dean' gets away with it. Very odd Just googled MA as I remember he'd got himself in a spot of bother not long back, read that his estranged wife had committed suicide as well. Tough times for the big man Your last sentence just about sums it up for me ' Randy ' D-jakinoffski , our Polish waster . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, Woodsy said: A few things stand out for me here If you're going to name someone, name him. What's the big deal, it's hardly going to be a best seller, is it? If Gary Shelton didn't like Andy (I won't call him Andrew!) Cole, then that is good enough for me Casual racism. Yeah, Andy wasn't popular because he was black, Leroy. I think we've all seen / heard stories of his general aloofness throughout his career. Didn't he leave Arsenal because he thought he should be starting there? Confident fella, obviously, but it does rub certain people up the wrong way. White, Chinese, Asian people are the same. I very much doubt it had anything to do with the colour of his skin. That really boils my piss 4 minutes ago, glynriley said: Agreed woodsy, not sure Shelton, Aizelwood and whoever "Andy Dean" is supposed to be, will be too happy about being associate with that either. "Did the colour of his skin affect how they treated him? I wouldn't know about that" - then why ******* speculate?? Leroy poses a rhetorical question, is my guess. The thing I would ask Leroy is: have you ever come across older players, nearing the end of their career, being a bit resentful of younger, emerging players, with their best years ahead of them (and probably on the verge of earning far more money than the veterans)? I would speculate that it is not unusual for players of 30 plus to be closer to other players of a similar vintage, and not so close with players 10 years younger. And for there to be some distance - and even some antagonism - between the "generations" at times. Just like any other workplace. Skin colour may or may not have come in to it, but it is not a pre-requisite for workmates to not get on sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 @Olé Do you know if he refers to 'Andy Dean' anywhere else in the book ?? It is strange he lumps him in with MA & GS but doesn't name him Almost as if elsewhere there is a reference to another incident(s) / something else, with Andy Dean the alleged perpetrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Spoons said: Leroy had one of the strangest running styles I've ever seen! Only matched by Brett pitman ! Knees of jelly may have contributed to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Tbf to Leroy he contributed majorly to keeping us up and ACs success but rarely gets credited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Tbf to Leroy he contributed majorly to keeping us up and ACs success but rarely gets credited Scored one of the best headed goals I can remember at Ashton Gate, an absolute bullet from just inside the penalty area, a cross came in from the right (attacking the East End) and he thundered it into the top corner. It was near the end of the season, want to say v Ipswich but 25 years on, I couldn't be sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Woodsy said: Anyone else racking their brains over Andy Dean?? Don't remember him at all Clearly a "nom de plume". Was Mark Aizlewood still with us or perhaps the midfielder Dave Martin? Andy Llewellyn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 17 minutes ago, glynriley said: Scored one of the best headed goals I can remember at Ashton Gate, an absolute bullet from just inside the penalty area, a cross came in from the right (attacking the East End) and he thundered it into the top corner. It was near the end of the season, want to say v Ipswich but 25 years on, I couldn't be sure! Andy Cole was probably the most impactive loan signing I've ever seen at the Gate From the moment he joined , to me it was , wow, blimey , this kids a cut above, on a different level He proved to be s Top Premiership player and an International - Nuff said !! But when you think we had Jacki , who in moments was top top Pemiership quality and LR himself who tho , through injuries was struggling , but at his best , and still in moments was Top division standard - Some of the link up play between those three was breathtaking Add to that we had ex international Russell Osman and a Welsh International in Aizlewood A few other quality players like Shelts and you begin to wonder how we didn't threaten promotion then !!!!! we had a squad in terms of proven quality (Most not at their peak admittedly) that we could only dream Of at the present time !! Think if we could have kept AC for another 12 months we might have had a go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: Clearly a "nom de plume". Was Mark Aizlewood still with us or perhaps the midfielder Dave Martin? Not sure of the timings, but Dave Martin would certainly have been a character, if he was similar off the pitch to how he was on the thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Woodsy said: Not sure of the timings, but Dave Martin would certainly have been a character, if he was similar off the pitch to how he was on the thing! Martin was with us in the 93/94 season (Played at Anfield) but Cole had gone by the time he arrived I think Edit Martin signed July 93 Cole sold to Newcastle Feb 93 So DM is eliminated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Remember this goal like yesterday Brilliant reverse ball by Jacki and AC accelerating away and you KNEW he would score Finished like it was on training pitch and how he would countless times at the top level *Sigh* Think Leroys red card was bloody harsh - even in today's game !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Remember that night quite well. Lovely slide finish from Cole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 hours ago, OddBallJim said: Fat arse or not, he is a great player. "Great"..? I'm not sure I'd go that far. Average/below average championship striker. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 4 hours ago, jj77 said: I see Leroy fairly regularly when dropping my kid off at School and he does walk like both of his knees need replacing. Have you considered reporting him to the police..?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 I wish I had my late Dad's copy of the Bristol Babe on me. It would have the entire squad list from Cole and Leroy's day. Would help narrow down the mysterious Mr Dean and bring back a few memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 8 hours ago, Olé said: Just published and with a foreword by Andy Cole http://amzn.to/2ltMVi1 "Highlights" so far: He and Andy Cole stayed in "Avon George" hotel together Jewellers in Clifton pulled shutters down on him when he approached Gambling culture among City players, who didn't like Andy Cole not getting involved Player called "Andy Dean" described as one of the big personalities in the City dressing room City board didn't want to sell Andy Cole but Denis Smith did in order to re-build squad Under Osman, he coached Allison on heading "he couldn't head the ball" prior to the Liverpool games Was after several beers Osman asked him to come out of retirement to play CB at Stockport in the cup "City board didn't want to sell Andy Cole but Denis Smith did in order to re-build squad". Lee Johnson still carrying on the 'good work' ....................... tfj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 if it's anything like his newspaper articles I might give it a miss..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 58 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: "Great"..? I'm not sure I'd go that far. Average/below average championship striker. Yes. Then we differ in opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 17 minutes ago, OddBallJim said: Then we differ in opinion. I think a 1 in 3 ratio suggests pretty average. Especially as he's often the penalty taker. I don't dislike him. I just wouldn't think he was anywhere near "great". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepers Ball Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 10 hours ago, Olé said: Was after several beers Osman asked him to come out of retirement to play CB at Stockport in the cup I went up there for that. He man marked big Kevin Francis...had him in his pocket all night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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