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Well , a top performance at Newcastle has made many people talk of the corner being turned and LJ is ' In ' once again.

 I don't want to diminish that effort , it took balls to go there and get something in front of fifty thousand Geordies and a team at the top of the League but now we must see the same levels of performance every week .

As someone posted on here it's a bit like the teams who up their game in the cup when playing Man Utd .

The standards have been set and we must not drop off because every match between now and the end of the season is a ' cup final ' .

We need to win nearly half of our remaining matches ,to get to 50 points,  something we've struggled to do since October last year so we are not out of the woods just yet .

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11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Far from convinced 50 points will be needed to stay up this year, usually it is a guarantee but you don't often need that many.

As little as 4 more wins might do it. Especially if we avoid hammerings.

We don't seem to be doing too well on the 'win' front, how about we draw every remaining game? We know that every goal we score will be countered by at least the same amount as our team seems to resemble a bunch of tired teddies after half time.

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6 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

We don't seem to be doing too well on the 'win' front, how about we draw every remaining game? We know that every goal we score will be countered by at least the same amount as our team seems to resemble a bunch of tired teddies after half time.

The good news is, Burton, Wigan and Blackburn don't win many either! Only 2 of them need to remain as they are and Rotherham gone means we will scrape home.

We have winnable games at home especially which is what gives me a bit of hope- and the fact there are absolutely 3 worse sides than us, maybe 4.

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I don't think any of the bottom teams will put much of a run together can see this going right down to the last couple of games. Could easily come down to Brum at home........... the club that relegated us last time!

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43 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Well , a top performance at Newcastle has made many people talk of the corner being turned and LJ is ' In ' once again.

 I don't want to diminish that effort , it took balls to go there and get something in front of fifty thousand Geordies and a team at the top of the League but now we must see the same levels of performance every week .

As someone posted on here it's a bit like the teams who up their game in the cup when playing Man Utd .

The standards have been set and we must not drop off because every match between now and the end of the season is a ' cup final ' .

We need to win nearly half of our remaining matches ,to get to 50 points,  something we've struggled to do since October last year so we are not out of the woods just yet .

I agree Major.

The next four games will really show where we are - Villa, Burton, Norwich, Wigan.

If we take a minimum of 7 points from these games, we will have taken a minimum of 13 points from our last 10 games which is mid-table form and not bad considering the run of tough games we've just had.

I appreciate it's an "if" because our previous 10 game form is 6 points.

But I think we can take at least 7 points from these next four games, and that would show a corner turned, by doubling our points from 6 points to 13 over a 10 game period.

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I don't think we've turned any corner or even peeked around it TBH. Saturday was one of those occasional decent 45 /60 minutes that City put in now and again.

While I would be delighted to see a win tonight, or even a point, I fear the performance may return to the abject garbage we have seen far too often this season.

In all honesty, I would love to be proved wrong.

Johnson out.

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35 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Far from convinced 50 points will be needed to stay up this year, usually it is a guarantee but you don't often need that many.

As little as 4 more wins might do it. Especially if we avoid hammerings.

Yep, the number for the last ten years is much closer to 40. 

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I think it is as simple as the team plays without fear away with verocious support but due to the ever-growing nasty atmosphere at the Gate - go in to their shells.

I fully expect another great performance tonight in front of good fans followed by rubbish on Saturday in front of some <insert your word here> !!

(cue: the we are the "bread and butter", we pay so can do what we want, the players are paid a fortune to perform type responses - probably from the same d!ck5 getting on the players backs from the first misplaced pass)

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I still think the magic number is around 43. Form since December means we will be cutting it close. I don't know if we've turned a corner but I'd hope we could secure 11 points especially considering we play the two just under us. Granted they're away but if we don't lose them, we should be ok. We'll need 3 wins in other games which we should be able to do. It's hard for me to see us winless the rest of the year. 3 wins and 2 draws in 13 matches is still dreadful form and if we can't do that we deserve to go down

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2 minutes ago, Neo said:

I think it is as simple as the team plays without fear away with verocious support but due to the ever-growing nasty atmosphere at the Gate - go in to their shells.

I fully expect another great performance tonight in front of good fans followed by rubbish on Saturday in front of some <insert your word here> !!

(cue: the we are the "bread and butter", we pay so can do what we want, the players are paid a fortune to perform type responses - probably from the same d!ck5 getting on the players backs from the first misplaced pass)

I agree at the moment they are probably more comfortable away. Though if they play as hard at home as they did at Newcastle, regardless of result, I'd be behind them. Don't mind quality being poor but should be working harder than the other side. 

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26 minutes ago, Neo said:

I think it is as simple as the team plays without fear away with verocious support but due to the ever-growing nasty atmosphere at the Gate - go in to their shells.

I fully expect another great performance tonight in front of good fans followed by rubbish on Saturday in front of some <insert your word here> !!

(cue: the we are the "bread and butter", we pay so can do what we want, the players are paid a fortune to perform type responses - probably from the same d!ck5 getting on the players backs from the first misplaced pass)

Not wishing to cause a row Neo but why do you think those <insert your word heres> have become so disillusioned? Could it be the dreadful football on display? Lack of heart by SOME players? Ineptitude by our head coach?

I agree it's probably easier to play away from the Gate ATM by the way.

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4 minutes ago, Wellspokenman said:

Currently working in Birmingham ahead of the game tonight.

Only benefit is being surrounded by Villa fans who are more depressed than us... :facepalm:

Mind you - they do like "Mr shoot on site" Kodjia...

Draw beckons....

I was up there yesterday (bad planning) they certainly weren't very confident of facing us

Get in front and expect the crowd to turn

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4 minutes ago, phantom said:

I was up there yesterday (bad planning) they certainly weren't very confident of facing us

Get in front and expect the crowd to turn

Nope, not the most optimistic bunch...and nothing whines more than a miserable Brummie....

Image result for funny pessimist quotes

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1 hour ago, Neo said:

I think it is as simple as the team plays without fear away with verocious support but due to the ever-growing nasty atmosphere at the Gate - go in to their shells.

I fully expect another great performance tonight in front of good fans followed by rubbish on Saturday in front of some <insert your word here> !!

(cue: the we are the "bread and butter", we pay so can do what we want, the players are paid a fortune to perform type responses - probably from the same d!ck5 getting on the players backs from the first misplaced pass)

The "ever growing nasty atmosphere" was non-existant months ago, when this poor run began. This team "went into their shells" long, long before the anti-LJ chants, chants which began second half v Rotherham and then were heard again last week.

So you and SL are going to need a different excuse to explain a club record run of consecutive league defeats, the loss at home to Brighton (when the atmosphere was excellent at kick off), and even the game before that when we performed so poorly v Blackburn. 

We performed well at home to Sheffield Wednesday recently, too, then sh1te four days later v Rotherham. 

The painful truth that some cannot face and want to avoid, is that we have not performed well all season - with a few exceptions, such as Derby away - even when picking up points in the autumn, as @Olé's excellent observations have highlighted, and once again, for what SL/we have put in, we are getting a very poor return out.

The "it's the crowd's fault" is apt for our times, and worthy of Donald Trump and his cronies

 

PS. We have won at home in front of our "nasty" and "negative" crowd, and away. Funny that.

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1 hour ago, Neo said:

I think it is as simple as the team plays without fear away with verocious support but due to the ever-growing nasty atmosphere at the Gate - go in to their shells.

I fully expect another great performance tonight in front of good fans followed by rubbish on Saturday in front of some <insert your word here> !!

(cue: the we are the "bread and butter", we pay so can do what we want, the players are paid a fortune to perform type responses - probably from the same d!ck5 getting on the players backs from the first misplaced pass)

Ever growing nasty atmosphere? These little poppets should be glad they don't play for a poor Newcastle team. 

They've had it easy from us.

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2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Well , a top performance at Newcastle has made many people talk of the corner being turned and LJ is ' In ' once again.

 I don't want to diminish that effort , it took balls to go there and get something in front of fifty thousand Geordies and a team at the top of the League but now we must see the same levels of performance every week .

As someone posted on here it's a bit like the teams who up their game in the cup when playing Man Utd .

The standards have been set and we must not drop off because every match between now and the end of the season is a ' cup final ' .

We need to win nearly half of our remaining matches ,to get to 50 points,  something we've struggled to do since October last year so we are not out of the woods just yet .

I don't know of anyone that thinks a corner has been turned.  I don't think there has even been a check in the mirror or an indicator switch yet, let alone the actual manoeuvre. There are far too many variables to consider before anyone can think this was anything other than a welcome lucky break.  

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1 hour ago, Doozerchris said:

I've been waiting since October..! With the current coach in place we WILL be relegated imo.  

I'm hoping , praying , Doozer that the players will grab the situation by the scruff of the neck and eek out enough points

 

what worries me is I'm not convinced that there are enough in number and in quality to form a core and do so - The very make up of the squad is likely to mean it's not one big happy group

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1 hour ago, Bullbag said:

No corner turned.

Shipping goals like no tomorrow.

Having won one in 15 or 16 is it?

And now we need to win 4 or 5 out of 13?

Really hope we do but I just can't see it.

Johnson out.

Sad but true, the battle for safety will go on whatever happens tonight, we all hope for 4/6 pts from the next 2 games but we will see;

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6 minutes ago, fishy said:

I don't know of anyone that thinks a corner has been turned.  I don't think there has even been a check in the mirror or an indicator switch yet, let alone the actual manoeuvre. There are far too many variables to consider before anyone can think this was anything other than a welcome lucky break.  

To be fair I don't think we can describe it as a lucky break

All have said just how much the players put into it - they got a reward in a point at least 

What @Major Isewater is rightly saying is - they've set the standard , certainly in terms of effort, running , commitment - they must sustain this 

No excuses , no hiding place now in those respects at least 

 

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Yes, the players put in the commitment.  But once LJ has consulted the sorting hat to determine the starting 11 and formation for tonight it could be a very different set up.  Hence variables.  If commitment was all that was required to turn the corner I'd like to think that the players might have switched onto that about 2 months ago.

 

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1 hour ago, Neo said:

I think it is as simple as the team plays without fear away with verocious support but due to the ever-growing nasty atmosphere at the Gate - go in to their shells.

I fully expect another great performance tonight in front of good fans followed by rubbish on Saturday in front of some <insert your word here> !!

(cue: the we are the "bread and butter", we pay so can do what we want, the players are paid a fortune to perform type responses - probably from the same d!ck5 getting on the players backs from the first misplaced pass)

 :facepalm: Of course you are right Steve/Neo its the fans fault, did you go to Cardiff/Wembley ?

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10 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

To be fair I don't think we can describe it as a lucky break

All have said just how much the players put into it - they got a reward in a point at least 

What @Major Isewater is rightly saying is - they've set the standard , certainly in terms of effort, running , commitment - they must sustain this 

No excuses , no hiding place now in those respects at least 

 

As usual Bob, I find myself agreeing with you. 

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3 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Well , a top performance at Newcastle has made many people talk of the corner being turned and LJ is ' In ' once again.

 I don't want to diminish that effort , it took balls to go there and get something in front of fifty thousand Geordies and a team at the top of the League but now we must see the same levels of performance every week .

As someone posted on here it's a bit like the teams who up their game in the cup when playing Man Utd .

The standards have been set and we must not drop off because every match between now and the end of the season is a ' cup final ' .

We need to win nearly half of our remaining matches ,to get to 50 points,  something we've struggled to do since October last year so we are not out of the woods just yet .

Point a game will keep us up-im not confident of getting even that..Would be delighted with the first one tonight but fear this game may be "after the Lord Mayor's show"...

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4 hours ago, Neo said:

I think it is as simple as the team plays without fear away with verocious support but due to the ever-growing nasty atmosphere at the Gate - go in to their shells.

I fully expect another great performance tonight in front of good fans followed by rubbish on Saturday in front of some <insert your word here> !!

(cue: the we are the "bread and butter", we pay so can do what we want, the players are paid a fortune to perform type responses - probably from the same d!ck5 getting on the players backs from the first misplaced pass)

The trouble with this justification is we managed to throw away a 2 goal lead at Sheffield Wednesday in front of the "veracious" support. We have conceded 10 more goals away and won 5 less games, but don't let facts get in the way of attempting to blame the home fans for the dire performances this season.

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4 hours ago, Neo said:

I think it is as simple as the team plays without fear away with verocious support but due to the ever-growing nasty atmosphere at the Gate - go in to their shells.

I fully expect another great performance tonight in front of good fans followed by rubbish on Saturday in front of some <insert your word here> !!

(cue: the we are the "bread and butter", we pay so can do what we want, the players are paid a fortune to perform type responses - probably from the same d!ck5 getting on the players backs from the first misplaced pass)

Considering we've taken a handful of points in 4 months, a run that included the worst losing sequence in our entire history, the supporters have been very patient indeed. It was only the last home game where it started to turn sour. Even then, it was nothing compared to the past, demonstrations behind the grandstand, "what a load a rubbish" ringing out around the ground.

The worst run in our entire history, you can hardly expect North Korean style audience participation now, can you.

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3 minutes ago, Kingswood Robin said:

Considering we've taken a handful of points in 4 months, a run that included the worst losing sequence in our entire history, the supporters have been very patient indeed. It was only the last home game where it started to turn sour. Even then, it was nothing compared to the past, demonstrations behind the grandstand, "what a load a rubbish" ringing out around the ground.

The worst run in our entire history, you can hardly expect North Korean style audience participation now, can you.

Bizarrely some fans can see nothing wrong . I'd love to know at what point they will see what the rest of us have seen for a while.

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24 minutes ago, Doozerchris said:

Bizarrely some fans can see nothing wrong . I'd love to know at what point they will see what the rest of us have seen for a while.

I don't think anyone has said that they can't see anything wrong.

 

It's just some (me included) think that getting rid of Lee is the wrong "solution".

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2 minutes ago, ooRya said:

I don't think anyone has said that they can't see anything wrong.

 

It's just some (me included) think that getting rid of Lee is the wrong "solution".

In football you only have 2 choices , get rid of the players ( tempting but unlikely) or get shot of the coach . It really is that simple .

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6 minutes ago, Doozerchris said:

In football you only have 2 choices , get rid of the players ( tempting but unlikely) or get shot of the coach . It really is that simple .

3rd Choice. Give it time.

 

I accept that's difficult when we are having a terrible run of results, but I believe this is the way to go and will eventually give us the rewards.

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Impossible to forecast. Looks as though there is division in the camp. If this can be dealt with we may well stay up, if not .......

Look at Leicester last night. Transformed through real team effort. But then Leicester changed the pilot of the ship.

Tonight will we see the lack of team effort against Fulham or the real team effort against Newcastle ?

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35 minutes ago, Doozerchris said:

Bizarrely some fans can see nothing wrong . I'd love to know at what point they will see what the rest of us have seen for a while.

I can see a lot wrong - I have been angry, frustrated etc for weeks.

The problem is here you are presumed to be an LJ liker or hater with nothing in between.

I could not give a to55 if he is manager tomorrow or not.

BUT I cannot see the point of booing and getting on the managers back during the game as ultimately it WILL affect the team.

I see some stuff above about the poor players or something similar and I get it to an extent - they are highly paid, easy life etc.

But in any walk of life if there is negativity aimed at you or somebody you potentially respect, like, admire etc you are going to be affected - some more than others.

The acceptance by some that they    have the right to get on people's backs yet accept no responsibility for any consequence which could be players under performing is bewildering to my simple mind.

Being jeered by home fans away from home with a vocal minority in your corner should galvanise.

Being jeered by home fans at home will, IMHO, upset you - these are still humans with all the emotions that goes with that.

I will not do it no matter what. I'm not an über fan or alternatively somebody that does not care - I just don't think it helps so refuse to join in. Simples.

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9 minutes ago, ooRya said:

3rd Choice. Give it time.

 

I accept that's difficult when we are having a terrible run of results, but I believe this is the way to go and will eventually give us the rewards.

So out of interest where is your cut of point for support ? 

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6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Far from convinced 50 points will be needed to stay up this year, usually it is a guarantee but you don't often need that many.

As little as 4 more wins might do it. Especially if we avoid hammerings.

4 wins, unfortunately that's not 'little' for us. We have won once in 16 ( is it ? ) games. We have to quadruple our wins just to get to 4!

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1 minute ago, Neo said:

I can see a lot wrong - I have been angry, frustrated etc for weeks.

The problem is here you are presumed to be an LJ liker or hater with nothing in between.

I could not give a to55 if he is manager tomorrow or not.

BUT I cannot see the point of booing and getting on the managers back during the game as ultimately it WILL affect the team.

I see some stuff above about the poor players or something similar and I get it to an extent - they are highly paid, easy life etc.

But in any walk of life if there is negativity aimed at you or somebody you potentially respect, like, admire etc you are going to be affected - some more than others.

The acceptance by some that they    have the right to get on people's backs yet accept no responsibility for any consequence which could be players under performing is bewildering to my simple mind.

Being jeered by home fans away from home with a vocal minority in your corner should galvanise.

Being jeered by home fans at home will, IMHO, upset you - these are still humans with all the emotions that goes with that.

I will not do it no matter what. I'm not an über fan or alternatively somebody that does not care - I just don't think it helps so refuse to join in. Simples.

I don't do it either , but I understand why many do  and I don't blame them 1 bit to be honest. 

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6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The good news is, Burton, Wigan and Blackburn don't win many either! Only 2 of them need to remain as they are and Rotherham gone means we will scrape home....

Unfortunately it seems as though Mr Lansdown will be happy just to 'scrape home'....and the status quo will be maintained. 

A lot of fans I know (including myself) have ambitions way above that....and they are so frustrated that the club don't obviously share those ambitions. 

Oh well, Mr Lansdown is the owner, it's his money so he gets to make most of the decisions....whilst we may not agree with some of them there isn't seemingly a lot we can do.

Banners, boos, outrage on social media, etc will (outwardly) mean nothing to Mr Lansdown....he just seems so reluctant to put a proven manager in place.....but, having said that, I'm definitely very supportive of him, we are the envy of so many unstable clubs who would do anything to have an owner like Steve... 

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21 minutes ago, Neo said:

I can see a lot wrong - I have been angry, frustrated etc for weeks.

The problem is here you are presumed to be an LJ liker or hater with nothing in between.

I could not give a to55 if he is manager tomorrow or not.

BUT I cannot see the point of booing and getting on the managers back during the game as ultimately it WILL affect the team.

I see some stuff above about the poor players or something similar and I get it to an extent - they are highly paid, easy life etc.

But in any walk of life if there is negativity aimed at you or somebody you potentially respect, like, admire etc you are going to be affected - some more than others.

The acceptance by some that they    have the right to get on people's backs yet accept no responsibility for any consequence which could be players under performing is bewildering to my simple mind.

Being jeered by home fans away from home with a vocal minority in your corner should galvanise.

Being jeered by home fans at home will, IMHO, upset you - these are still humans with all the emotions that goes with that.

I will not do it no matter what. I'm not an über fan or alternatively somebody that does not care - I just don't think it helps so refuse to join in. Simples.

Sorry, disagree, blaming the fans is just an attempt to distract from the root cause of the issue and it's contemptible. There are highly paid professional footballers who have psychologists and all the support they need. It time they all rolled up their sleeves, and the senior pros show leadership. The squad is good enough and will stay up, it's just a shame Johnson, who has had unprecedented support from the board, will still be in charge next season. With a proven manager we would surely be in or close to the play-offs.    

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Neo said:

I can see a lot wrong - I have been angry, frustrated etc for weeks.

The problem is here you are presumed to be an LJ liker or hater with nothing in between.

I could not give a to55 if he is manager tomorrow or not.

BUT I cannot see the point of booing and getting on the managers back during the game as ultimately it WILL affect the team.

I see some stuff above about the poor players or something similar and I get it to an extent - they are highly paid, easy life etc.

But in any walk of life if there is negativity aimed at you or somebody you potentially respect, like, admire etc you are going to be affected - some more than others.

The acceptance by some that they    have the right to get on people's backs yet accept no responsibility for any consequence which could be players under performing is bewildering to my simple mind.

Being jeered by home fans away from home with a vocal minority in your corner should galvanise.

Being jeered by home fans at home will, IMHO, upset you - these are still humans with all the emotions that goes with that.

I will not do it no matter what. I'm not an über fan or alternatively somebody that does not care - I just don't think it helps so refuse to join in. Simples.

A good post Neo , well explained 

 

What baffles me is the (very weak IMHO) defences of him on here  

i am like many on here analytical and critical of LJ and to a large degree the players but back them totally for the game

I don't see that the two have to be connected

There are some who chooses to voice their displeasure and as long as it's done appropriately and not at the wrong times I find it hard to criticise them at the moment 

Likewise it doesn't mean they can't criticise and debate on the forum

And it's everyone's right to back or defend LJ of course 

For me the two,arenas are completely different - if the players choose to peruse a fans forum at a time like this - bigger fool them !!!

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10 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Well , a top performance at Newcastle has made many people talk of the corner being turned and LJ is ' In ' once again.

 I don't want to diminish that effort , it took balls to go there and get something in front of fifty thousand Geordies and a team at the top of the League but now we must see the same levels of performance every week .

As someone posted on here it's a bit like the teams who up their game in the cup when playing Man Utd .

The standards have been set and we must not drop off because every match between now and the end of the season is a ' cup final ' .

We need to win nearly half of our remaining matches ,to get to 50 points,  something we've struggled to do since October last year so we are not out of the woods just yet .

I think calling it a 'top performance' against Newcastle is over-egging it. They're in the same league as us and we got a draw by the skin of our teeth

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3 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Unfortunately it seems as though Mr Lansdown will be happy just to 'scrape home'....and the status quo will be maintained. 

A lot of fans I know (including myself) have ambitions way above that....and they are so frustrated that the club don't obviously share those ambitions. 

Oh well, Mr Lansdown is the owner, it's his money so he gets to make most of the decisions....whilst we may not agree with some of them there isn't seemingly a lot we can do.

Banners, boos, outrage on social media, etc will (outwardly) mean nothing to Mr Lansdown....he just seems so reluctant to put a proven manager in place.....but, having said that, I'm definitely very supportive of him, we are the envy of so many unstable clubs who would do anything to have an owner like Steve... 

Really sorry BS4 we won't be the envy of all the other clubs in the Championship if we go down.

Good owners bring success not just "poor to middling stability"!

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