Kid in the Riot Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Love you to pieces mate, but what a loads of old cobblers this is...particularly the bit in bold. At least near the bottom he 'gets it' in terms of the atmosphere at AG being a two-way street between fans and players. Just a shame he's (presumably) being made by the club to come out with this nonsense about the dressing room being a happy camp. Interesting he talks about the nucleus of the squad still being there from 3 years ago and no coincidence it was him, Pack, Flint and Bryan sat behind me at the rugby on Sunday... Quote Striker Aaron Wilbraham addresses those rumours surrounding future of Bristol City boss Lee Johnson Aaron Wilbraham insists Lee Johnson has not "lost" the dressing room at Bristol City. Seeking to put an end to rumours that City's players are not giving their all for the under-fire head coach, the club captain gave an open and honest interview to the media at the Championship club's Failand training headquarters on Thursday. A majority of City fans have turned against Johnson following a depressing recent record of 11 defeats in 15 games that has seen the Robins slip to within one place of the relegation zone. And that has given rise to accusations of fall outs between players and management and unfounded claims that Johnson has lost the support of the Ashton Gate dressing room. Speaking ahead of Saturday's potentially crucial encounter with Burton Albion, Wilbraham pout the record straight in no uncertain terms when insisting the players and staff are united in trying to keep the club in the Championship. He said: "It is not a case of that at all. There are no problems in the dressing room. The spirit has not changed since I first walked through the door three seasons ago. "The nucleus of that group is still here and we help ensure everyone is welcome and bedded in. Everyone is fighting for the football club and management and players are united in wanting to get as many wins as possible and staying in the Championship." Given the toxic mood inside Ashton Gate when City lost 2-0 to Fulham last week, Wilbraham is aware of the need to start well on Saturday. He added: "It's a two-way street. We need the fans to be behind us, because it makes such a big difference, especially to the younger players. "But we know that, sometimes, we have to give them a reason to be vocal and to back us. We started the last two games (at Newcastle and Aston Villa) fast and the fans were brilliant. We need to make sure that happens again, so we can play in a positive atmosphere." Read more at http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/veteran-striker-aaron-wilbraham-addresses-those-rumours-surrounding-future-of-city-boss-lee-johnson/story-30175245-detail/story.html#DKQ8OBRQFSGHADyE.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Totally agree with you KITR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Love you to pieces mate, but what a loads of old cobblers this is...particularly the bit in bold. At least near the bottom he 'gets it' in terms of the atmosphere at AG being a two-way street between fans and players. Just a shame he's (presumably) being made by the club to come out with this nonsense about the dressing room being a happy camp. Interesting he talks about the nucleus of the squad still being there from 3 years ago and no coincidence it was him, Pack, Flint and Bryan sat behind me at the rugby on Sunday... 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Totally agree with you KITR I so wish I had the access to the dressing room you guys have. Imagine knowing what goes on even better than the players....... Must be an amazing feeling, being an insider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I so wish I had the access to the dressing room you guys have. Imagine knowing what goes on even better than the players....... Must be an amazing feeling, being an insider. Sometimes I wish I was blind like you It sits well with your pathetic attempt at sarcasm Your 'Faith Leader' has even made his own comments recently but you conveniently forget that Ohhhhh how the Club must dream of supporters like you that will suck up and swallow any piece of spin !!! You think it's a happy squad do you ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 The Tomlin/LJ rumoured fallout, rumours of players goong to SL, this from Wilbs, and the 'trust' statement by LJ leads me to believe all is not well at all. As with the SL statement last week there was no need for Wilbs to come out with this.....so, why? Pouring petrol on the fire again in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honiton Tony Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Not bothered if he has lost the dressing room or not he is just not up to the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Right, so team spirit is fine, and the players are playing for the coach. Official! So, that is not the reason for this slump. And they are a "very good squad of players" (SL, Jan 24th), so more than good enough to win some games, so that is not the reason for this slump. Official! So, Mr Lansdown, what does that leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Was asked to say that no doubt. Club and Johnson clutching at straws. Cant imagine what it will be like at Ashton Gate saturday if we draw or lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 So now Wilbrahams integrity is being questioned.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Jack Dawe said: Right, so team spirit is fine, and the players are playing for the coach. Official! So, that is not the reason for this slump. And they are a "very good squad of players" (SL, Jan 24th), so more than good enough to win some games, so that is not the reason for this slump. Official! So, Mr Lansdown, what does that leave? The club are adamant everything is hunky dorey aren't they? Which as you allude to points to one thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I so wish I had the access to the dressing room you guys have. Imagine knowing what goes on even better than the players....... Must be an amazing feeling, being an insider. It's not an amazing feeling at all. It's actually rather depressing to see the discord between reality and the bullshit spin that comes out of our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 All I can say if Wilbs is telling it like it is, is that it proves even more that LJ is not good enough for the job of keeping us in the Championship or indeed getting City to the promised land. If the club has asked Wilbs to make this statement, then they certainly know that the support of the Head Coach is getting more and more toxic and also that they know he is not the man to take City forward. So why is he still in the job? I don't want a loss on Saturday, but if it happens, then surely that must be the last straw for SL and LJ must be sacked, if it doesn't happen, then it looks to me that SL couldn't care less about relegation to the third division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 It's like when your child is sat there with chocolate around their mouth and there is a Mars bar missing 'wasn't me Daddy' If it's not a problem then don't talk about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Obi Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Just a thought, but could it possibly be that the relatively young squad of players we have are not quite good enough at this level at this present time. And that even if we had hired Wenger this season, the results might have been the very similar ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 C'mon guys...this is getting ridiculous. Of course there have been 'words spoken'...we all know that. We all know the 'alleged' Tomlin, GoN, Patterson, Golbourne 'stories' and others etc. But that happens at every club. When a team goes on a run like we did, heated discussions will take place. Why, because of that, does every word spoken by a player or the manager, have to have been manipulated by the Club as to what to say? Every work place has people that get on better with certain others. You still all work together to get the job done. You may not like a certain persons personality or traits, so you don't spend so much time with them, but you still work with them. A squad of players our size, is no different to an office. Does everyone 'get on' in your work place? If any player was causing trouble...an it was effecting harmony in the squad, then they'd be off or training with the kids. I know their are smoke and mirrors at any club...but so many people are seeing everything as a 'conspiracy' right now. C'mon KITR...you know better than that fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The goal is that way Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Kasper Schmeichel said the players were 100% behind Ranieri a day before he was sacked. We live in hope!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, john from high littleton said: Just a thought, but could it possibly be that the relatively young squad of players we have are not quite good enough at this level at this present time. And that even if we had hired Wenger this season, the results might have been the very similar ???? I don't think they're relatively young as a squad; plenty of experience in there. I also dont think they're a bad group of players. I like our squad, but by god we're underperforming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, spudski said: C'mon guys...this is getting ridiculous. Of course there have been 'words spoken'...we all know that. We all know the 'alleged' Tomlin, GoN, Patterson, Golbourne 'stories' and others etc. But that happens at every club. When a team goes on a run like we did, heated discussions will take place. Why, because of that, does every word spoken by a player or the manager, have to have been manipulated by the Club as to what to say? Every work place has people that get on better with certain others. You still all work together to get the job done. You may not like a certain persons personality or traits, so you don't spend so much time with them, but you still work with them. A squad of players our size, is no different to an office. Does everyone 'get on' in your work place? If any player was causing trouble...an it was effecting harmony in the squad, then they'd be off or training with the kids. I know their are smoke and mirrors at any club...but so many people are seeing everything as a 'conspiracy' right now. C'mon KITR...you know better than that fella. Thanks, Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, john from high littleton said: Just a thought, but could it possibly be that the relatively young squad of players we have are not quite good enough at this level at this present time. And that even if we had hired Wenger this season, the results might have been the very similar ???? No John, it's the relatively young Head Coach that is not good enough at this level at the present time. The appointment was made too early and LJ should have learnt his trade more in the lower divisions for a few more years, then and only then, if he was good enough, be anywhere near a Championship club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, spudski said: C'mon guys...this is getting ridiculous. Of course there have been 'words spoken'...we all know that. We all know the 'alleged' Tomlin, GoN, Patterson, Golbourne 'stories' and others etc. But that happens at every club. When a team goes on a run like we did, heated discussions will take place. Why, because of that, does every word spoken by a player or the manager, have to have been manipulated by the Club as to what to say? Every work place has people that get on better with certain others. You still all work together to get the job done. You may not like a certain persons personality or traits, so you don't spend so much time with them, but you still work with them. A squad of players our size, is no different to an office. Does everyone 'get on' in your work place? If any player was causing trouble...an it was effecting harmony in the squad, then they'd be off or training with the kids. I know their are smoke and mirrors at any club...but so many people are seeing everything as a 'conspiracy' right now. C'mon KITR...you know better than that fella. You think some of the things that have happened this season behind the scenes (Or in at least one case , a public arena ) happen at every club do you ? Of course there have been 'words spoken'...we all know that. We all know the 'alleged' Tomlin, GoN, Patterson, Golbourne 'stories' and others etc. But that happens at every club. Sorry , but that in my opinion , and experience , is nonsense or you could have said 'happens at a lot of clubs that go on to get relegated' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, john from high littleton said: Just a thought, but could it possibly be that the relatively young squad of players we have are not quite good enough at this level at this present time. And that even if we had hired Wenger this season, the results might have been the very similar ???? LJ is the new Wenger!! Not one of them are liked at the clubs they manage. LJ out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 33 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Love you to pieces mate, but what a loads of old cobblers this is...particularly the bit in bold. At least near the bottom he 'gets it' in terms of the atmosphere at AG being a two-way street between fans and players. Just a shame he's (presumably) being made by the club to come out with this nonsense about the dressing room being a happy camp. Interesting he talks about the nucleus of the squad still being there from 3 years ago and no coincidence it was him, Pack, Flint and Bryan sat behind me at the rugby on Sunday... Didn't one of the players come out with something a bit similar, just prior to Cotts' sacking? Racking my brain as to who it was, but I'm pretty sure there was an interview just like that. Maybe Adam Baker keeps a template in his press pack and just changes the name of the player quoted and under-threat manager to suit. Anyway, along with the owner's vote of confidence, and Johnson's nonchalant interview, a player coming out in support is yet more sign that the head coach's days are numbered. Look out for a black cat sitting in front of the dugout and a single raven circling overhead during the Burton game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 They cant win can they? If the club say nothing then we get 'why are they quiet' if they do say something 'oh they are just toeing the party line they've been told to say that'. So unless they come out and say 'everything's crap' people believe what they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Fair enough. But if he hasn't lost the dressing room he's either: A) a lacklustre man-manager B) a poor tactician Either way he's lost the fans and lost the plot. Sorry Lj, wanted you to be our Eddie Howe but sadly you're more our Iain Dowie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Big C said: They cant win can they? If the club say nothing then we get 'why are they quiet' if they do say something 'oh they are just toeing the party line they've been told to say that'. So unless they come out and say 'everything's crap' people believe what they want Ain't that the truth.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Yeah KITR I'm personally shocked and appalled he didn't get out his voodoo doll of LJ. And the fact he covered up the 'Cock Piss Johnson' graffiti incident. You have to wonder how stupid some people are to expect a player to slate the team atmosphere during a club-arranged press conference, flanked by club media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said: I don't think they're relatively young as a squad; plenty of experience in there. I also dont think they're a bad group of players. I like our squad, but by god we're underperforming. And this is the bit that gets me. Look at that squad, there is a fantastic mix of youth, experience, pace, power, smarts, nigglers etc etc Why are we so ******* bad? Something isn't right, and the people that are paid to spot it and sort it aren't doing either When we kick off next season at home to Doncaster in front of 12,000 it's really gonna hit home just how badly we ****** up this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster3 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: Yeah KITR I'm personally shocked and appalled he didn't get out his voodoo doll of LJ. And the fact he covered up the 'Cock Piss Johnson' graffiti incident. You have to wonder how stupid some people are to expect a player to slate the team atmosphere during a club-arranged press conference, flanked by club media. Just more PR spin to deflect the woeful state of this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 37 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Love you to pieces mate, but what a loads of old cobblers this is...particularly the bit in bold. At least near the bottom he 'gets it' in terms of the atmosphere at AG being a two-way street between fans and players. Just a shame he's (presumably) being made by the club to come out with this nonsense about the dressing room being a happy camp. Interesting he talks about the nucleus of the squad still being there from 3 years ago and no coincidence it was him, Pack, Flint and Bryan sat behind me at the rugby on Sunday... Well, if LJ hasn't lost the dressing room then all the players can **** off along with LJ at the end of the season. If that's them 'playing' for their manager with some of those performances then **** me!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 minute ago, kevster3 said: Just more PR spin to deflect the woeful state of this club. Yes mate, it's what we call a 'pre-match press conference'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: Yeah KITR I'm personally shocked and appalled he didn't get out his voodoo doll of LJ. And the fact he covered up the 'Cock Piss Johnson' graffiti incident. You have to wonder how stupid some people are to expect a player to slate the team atmosphere during a club-arranged press conference, flanked by club media. So, in short you agree with me that we should take what he's said with a large pinch of salt? That's all you had to say... Yes mate, it's what we call a 'pre-match press conference'. ...and there it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: You think some of the things that have happened this season behind the scenes (Or in at least one case , a public arena ) happen at every club do you ? Yes I do fella...and worse. You're dealing with young men and kids, who are pampered, who have testosterone and adrenalin pumping through their veins, most not that intelligent. Spoilt, rich kids, idolised and put on a pedestal by some fans...a great majority live in a bubble and think they are better than they actually are in reality. They kick off and do stupid things...mouth off...don't like being told and don't take to criticism that well. When things get tough...that magnifies. It happens even when clubs are doing well. When you get on a run like we have...everything gets magnified, and scrutinised. People are looking at every possible cause as to what's going wrong. Seriously mate...have you read the stuff on here. It's like a world of make believe. Willy wonker and Alice, don't come near to how mental this place is, and it's completely bonkers way of thinking. That...or the NHS are really upping their doses to people these days....People's mind set's are so clouded or quick to anger. It's worrying if they are actually like it in real life...or just behind a keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 34 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Sometimes I wish I was blind like you It sits well with your pathetic attempt at sarcasm Your 'Faith Leader' has even made his own comments recently but you conveniently forget that Ohhhhh how the Club must dream of supporters like you that will suck up and swallow any piece of spin !!! You think it's a happy squad do you ??? It is possible for form to suffer even with a tight knit team. If you want to pretend that everything that comes out of the club is fake news thats up to you. I go by what I see on the pitch and the one thing I haven't seen is any real sign that the players are not trying, that is my own personal guide to whether the players want the Manager or not. Unlike the insiders on here, it's all I have to go on. (there you go, that gives you a chance to call me pathetic again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Thompson Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Its the integrity of some fans which is in question. On the eve of a big match discussing how to undermine the head coach. We are making ourselves laughing stocks by non supporters,gasheads etc. watching as the City and the project self destruct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 41 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I so wish I had the access to the dressing room you guys have. Imagine knowing what goes on even better than the players....... Must be an amazing feeling, being an insider. Its easy-pretend to be "in the know"...just walk with that knowing smile..many do. Do it for long enough and it becomes natural,even the 'inner glow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Wilbs is towing the party line there IMO. It's his employer after all and I would guess that he's been briefed what to say. It's the modern day spin machine at work, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 42 minutes ago, JonDolman said: To be honest I haven't seen a lack of effort. To go to Newcastle and get a point would not be possible with a squad of players not giving their all. If they werent giving their all then we'd be getting thrashed. This is probably the most frustrating bit of this season. When a team is on the sort of bad run that we've been o since November you would expect us to have received a few thrashings along the way, but we haven't. Ok we might not have played well on a few occasions, but we have certainly not been thrashed and in a lot of games we have been in with a chance. On talk sport the other day Im sure I heard them say that we've lost from winning positions more than other team in the division ( more if you include the draws at Derby and Newcastle, which were just as bad) If there had been a fall out between manager and players then I am certain we would have seen a few 4 and 5 nils along the way. As I said, It is so frustrating that we have been so close to a half decent season and the small margins that cost us are, I think, down to the coach overcomplicating things too much, instead of getting and playing a settled team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 52 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Love you to pieces mate, but what a loads of old cobblers this is...particularly the bit in bold. At least near the bottom he 'gets it' in terms of the atmosphere at AG being a two-way street between fans and players. Just a shame he's (presumably) being made by the club to come out with this nonsense about the dressing room being a happy camp. Interesting he talks about the nucleus of the squad still being there from 3 years ago and no coincidence it was him, Pack, Flint and Bryan sat behind me at the rugby on Sunday... He's ordered to do an interview, what do you expect him to say ? There are many players here who want Johnson out ? It's just contractual obligations to give press interviews the players just rolll out the usual bull , nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, spudski said: Yes I do fella...and worse. You're dealing with young men and kids, who are pampered, who have testosterone and adrenalin pumping through their veins, most not that intelligent. Spoilt, rich kids, idolised and put on a pedestal by some fans...a great majority live in a bubble and think they are better than they actually are in reality. They kick off and do stupid things...mouth off...don't like being told and don't take to criticism that well. When things get tough...that magnifies. It happens even when clubs are doing well. When you get on a run like we have...everything gets magnified, and scrutinised. People are looking at every possible cause as to what's going wrong. Seriously mate...have you read the stuff on here. It's like a world of make believe. Willy wonker and Alice, don't come near to how mental this place is, and it's completely bonkers way of thinking. That...or the NHS are really upping their doses to people these days....People's mind set's are so clouded or quick to anger. It's worrying if they are actually like it in real life...or just behind a keyboard. Willy manual manipulator would more suffice.. Now,where did me meds go??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, billywedlock said: One day it will all become a little clearer. Then it will not matter if anyone is in the know or not. To be fair you don't need to be in the know to make an educated guess that the team spirit has not been the same over the last 3 years ie promotion season versus now, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 42 minutes ago, Woodsy said: It's like when your child is sat there with chocolate around their mouth and there is a Mars bar missing 'wasn't me Daddy' If it's not a problem then don't talk about it We could do with a bit more work rest and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 30 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: Yeah KITR I'm personally shocked and appalled he didn't get out his voodoo doll of LJ. And the fact he covered up the 'Cock Piss Johnson' graffiti incident. You have to wonder how stupid some people are to expect a player to slate the team atmosphere during a club-arranged press conference, flanked by club media. Cook Pass Bobson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 31 minutes ago, OddBallJim said: Fair enough. But if he hasn't lost the dressing room he's either: A) a lacklustre man-manager B) a poor tactician Either way he's lost the fans and lost the plot. Sorry Lj, wanted you to be our Eddie Howe but sadly you're more our Iain Dowie. Or both, OBJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I would rather have an article on player where they have hired a bus from first and the defenders are taught how to park it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 20 minutes ago, Bullbag said: Ah yes, blame the fans. It's clearly their fault. This 'club' needs completely rebuilding from the very top to the bottom. It's no wonder the fans are taking matters into their own hands. We deserve to go down, the arrogance coming from staff, playing and managerial stinks. Given that, and I do agree with you, what on earth is their motivation? Build a dirty great and expensive stadium and then piss off the paying customers? I don't get it at all. Now they have the corporate lounges and non matchday corporate machine money, are we so insignificant that our contribution financially doesn't matter or are we being taken for granted / taken for fools? I just don't understand this! Can anyone enlighten me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Oh Wilbs what have you said!!! I hope you were forced at gunpoint to give that interview!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 27 minutes ago, spudski said: Yes I do fella...and worse. You're dealing with young men and kids, who are pampered, who have testosterone and adrenalin pumping through their veins, most not that intelligent. Spoilt, rich kids, idolised and put on a pedestal by some fans...a great majority live in a bubble and think they are better than they actually are in reality. They kick off and do stupid things...mouth off...don't like being told and don't take to criticism that well. When things get tough...that magnifies. It happens even when clubs are doing well. When you get on a run like we have...everything gets magnified, and scrutinised. People are looking at every possible cause as to what's going wrong. Seriously mate...have you read the stuff on here. It's like a world of make believe. Willy wonker and Alice, don't come near to how mental this place is, and it's completely bonkers way of thinking. That...or the NHS are really upping their doses to people these days....People's mind set's are so clouded or quick to anger. It's worrying if they are actually like it in real life...or just behind a keyboard. I assure you Spud - Thanks , but I don't need educating as to what happens at Clubs and in dressing rooms , or what footballers are like And I stand %100 in my posts on this Why do you have to have a go at some section of posters / supporters on just about every post btw I'm certainly not everyone's up of tea and will say it how I see it , and have fallen for referring to the LJ backers as the LJ Faith , but why the sweeping condescending or disparaging statements about people's personalities or lives ? Seriously mate...have you read the stuff on here. It's like a world of make believe. Willy wonker and Alice, don't come near to how mental this place is, and it's completely bonkers way of thinking. That...or the NHS are really upping their doses to people these days....People's mind set's are so clouded or quick to anger. It's worrying if they are actually like it in real life...or just behind a keyboard Bizarrely you routinely criticise 'Football Fans' as a generalisation and are very condescending and make sweeping statements about their knowledge or understanding Of course in any group of society there are wide dynamics but my experience of a lot of football fans is that they are , or at least a strong core , that are actually very astute , often more astute than many in the Professional game who in general terms dismiss supporters as 'knowing nothing' or 'understand nothing' I speak from many many hours of conversations with 'both sides' Sorry , but it does my head in when people write football supporters off (As a generalisation) as not knowing what they are on about or other such superior statements There are one or two on here (IMHO) that are extremely astute in analysing and explaining what they see (In terms of the football on the pitch) that could easily perform a very competent role as a scout or analyst for a professional club The current situation has created a major divide in the fan base. It's quite clear where I sit and I've been early and consistent in my judgement. I will be quite honest - Of all opinions that get discussed on here it's one where I've (clearly) struggled to see on what the LJ backers base their belief (I'm yet to hear a decent argument if I'm honest) As Ive said before - I hope I'm so wrong but my opinion is based on every bit of experience and everything I see everything I hear The competency of LJ and his backing by SL is a massive issue( And thus for debate) ,at this time, for this Club and the result will be a significant bearing on the immediate future of the club Its hardly a surprise that it raises passionate and aggressive debate and feelings Or it should do Id suggest for any supporter who truly loves the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Phantom Posted March 3, 2017 Admin Share Posted March 3, 2017 Toeing the line I've had to be a public face of an old company - at the time I knew was morally in the wrong (hence ex company) but as they were my employer you have to say these things Sadly for Wilbs IF Lee gets the boot and we put in a performance a la Leicester V Liverpool he is going to look VERY silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 20 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Its easy-pretend to be "in the know"...just walk with that knowing smile..many do. Do it for long enough and it becomes natural,even the 'inner glow. Wow! And he called ME sarcastic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Obi Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 39 minutes ago, Woodsy said: And this is the bit that gets me. Look at that squad, there is a fantastic mix of youth, experience, pace, power, smarts, nigglers etc etc Why are we so ******* bad? Something isn't right, and the people that are paid to spot it and sort it aren't doing either When we kick off next season at home to Doncaster in front of 12,000 it's really gonna hit home just how badly we ****** up this year The problem, as I see it is. Is that the experienced players we have, for one reason or another (fitness etc) have not actually played much. Wibs, GON, & Tomlin have pretty much been bit part players. Goldbourne is experienced at this level, but hasn't impressed. And the less said about Adam Matthews, the better . So I do feel we perhaps haven't had the wonderful mix of youth and experience, that some on here are suggesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 What on earth do you expect him to say? "To be honest mate, we are doomed - I can't see us staying up" "Yeah, LJ is clearly struggling we probably need a change" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Just a small point many seem to think the players are against him or they aren't and (understandably) judge it by what they see on the pitch I don't think anyone would for a moment suggest that 'all' players are not with him / behind him Not 'all' players have / may have fallen out with him Some may have but patched things up Some may have and things remain difficult Some may like him but not believe in his instructions Some may be professional enough to try and follow his brief and put in a performance whether they like or believe in him or not (I am not ITK in general or regular terms atm - I did get told from a very good source about specific incidents earlier in the season that were always going to be pivotal in our season and have made some comment on them - but my above is not based on those - just a sensible consideration) Its not that simple or as straightforward as a single sweeping statement whether that be AWs or anyone else's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Firstly Wilbs is near retirement. His contract is up in the summer. Why does he 'need' to tow the party line? He is too long in the tooth to stand in front of a camera and lie. Which is what some are accusing him of. For me there is a big difference between 'losing a dressing room' and there being frustrations and discontent in a squad that loses as many games as it does. Is LJ guilty of not motivating the troops enough, yes, will some players question some of his choices, yes, but losing them completely is still a fans opinion. OTIB favourite Gary Rowett was talking only the other day about how hard it is in modern football to keep a whole squad 'happy'. So many egos, factions, cultures, groups and so much money, competition and pressure. And Gary Rowett agrees, as do I, with the poster earlier (?) who said that 'problems' with players and squads up and down the country is the norm. It's just that the problems become more obvious in losing teams, not necessarily because of the manger, but the increased pressure and the situation. Very much a case of the club can't do anything 'right' here. Damned if you, damned if you don't. People questioned LT's statement. Now the same with Wilbrahams. So we have the 'blind faith' and the 'conspiracy theorists'. Depending in which side your bread is buttered, either the club are increasingly desperate and the dictortorship has reached new levels of power, or the conspiracy theorists are so desperate and exasperated to prove their point and have LJ gone that they've lost sight of reality and they'll use whatever spin they can. One thing is for sure, calling someone who doesn't have the same opinion as you short sighted is about the most short sighted thing someone can say right now. Often the simplest explaination is the most truthful one. Yes the media 'can' lie. Just excuse people have been made to towed the company line before, doesn't mean AW is. It doesn't mean they always lie. Having seen LT and AW's interviews, if they are lying they have a career in acting after football. That's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 The Club always tells the truth don't they Is there anyone on here that actually believes after a 'thorough and professional recruitment process, from a list of surprising candidates ' that MA (Independently from any SL / JL influence) identified LJ as 'the man' And LJ wasn't SL s choice Is there ? maybe there is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I assure you Spud - Thanks , but I don't need educating as to what happens at Clubs and in dressing rooms , or what footballers are like And I stand %100 in my posts on this Why do you have to have a go at some section of posters / supporters on just about every post btw I'm certainly not everyone's up of tea and will say it how I see it , and have fallen for referring to the LJ backers as the LJ Faith , but why the sweeping condescending or disparaging statements about people's personalities or lives ? Seriously mate...have you read the stuff on here. It's like a world of make believe. Willy wonker and Alice, don't come near to how mental this place is, and it's completely bonkers way of thinking. That...or the NHS are really upping their doses to people these days....People's mind set's are so clouded or quick to anger. It's worrying if they are actually like it in real life...or just behind a keyboard Bizarrely you routinely criticise 'Football Fans' as a generalisation and are very condescending and make sweeping statements about their knowledge or understanding Of course in any group of society there are wide dynamics but my experience of a lot of football fans is that they are , or at least a strong core , that are actually very astute , often more astute than many in the Professional game who in general terms dismiss supporters as 'knowing nothing' or 'understand nothing' I speak from many many hours of conversations with 'both sides' Sorry , but it does my head in when people write football supporters off (As a generalisation) as not knowing what they are on about or other such superior statements There are one or two on here (IMHO) that are extremely astute in analysing and explaining what they see (In terms of the football on the pitch) that could easily perform a very competent role as a scout or analyst for a professional club The current situation has created a major divide in the fan base. It's quite clear where I sit and I've been early and consistent in my judgement. Of all opinions that get discussed on here it's one where I've (clearly) struggled to see on what the LJ backers base their belief (I'm yet to hear a decent argument if I'm honest) The competency of LJ and his backing by SL is a massive issue( And thus for debate) ,at this time, for this Club and the result will be a significant bearing on the immediate future of the club Its hardly a surprise that it raises passionate and aggressive debate and feelings Or it should do Id suggest for any supporter who truly loves the club It wasn't aimed at you...and I know you know your stuff. However...look back at our players during 'your time' and since...people in jail, fisty cuffs, fighting between players, cliques, gambling, drugs, players screwing other players wives, drink, drink and more drink...I could go on...and you think our lot are bad? C'mon mate, get some reality back. It's no different to before or any other club. I really can't believe you've been taken in by some of the tripe written on here. There is some astute stuff, but the majority of threads are absolutely ridiculous. You want me to take seriously a fan who wants to chant 'Johnson out' for 90 mins and such like? And then call everyone a tool for not agreeing. So many threads like that...you earn respect. I don't respect idiots and others like that. Just because they are City fans...it doesn't make them not idiots or stupid. I'm ashamed to be associated with some of the crap on here. As for the people that are 'astute' I agree...and some of them have scouting, or a coaching interest in that back ground. You can spot them a mile off. No doubt people are frustrated...and I can understand why some fans want LJ gone...but the majority of stuff written on here is total bullshit tbh. Having passion for a Club shouldn't trigger the 'stupid' button imo...great leaders and thinkers are those that think logically under pressure. They don't rant and rave and point fingers and turn everything into a conspiracy or put a negative slant on everything to bash the club with.. Frustration and disappointment is one thing...heated debate is good. The rest of it is total bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 54 minutes ago, kevster3 said: Just more PR spin to deflect the woeful state of this club. Bang on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old parkender Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Completely at odds with the managers statement from last week, "there are cliques in the dressing room" and"perhaps we need to socialise more" cant really blame wilbs, he's employed by Bristol city, he might even believe what he's saying, who knows? One things for sure, things aren't right at the club and if the Fulham performance didn't make it crystal clear to some people, nothing ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 45 minutes ago, Bob Thompson said: Its the integrity of some fans which is in question. On the eve of a big match discussing how to undermine the head coach. We are making ourselves laughing stocks by non supporters,gasheads etc. watching as the City and the project self destruct. Writing "the project" disqualifies you from being taken seriously I'm afraid. As you feel free, not for the first time, to describe people you disagree with as non supporters, I'm inclined to observe that only real non supporters would ever say "the project" when talking about the City. Have a nice day Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: My interpretation of 'losing the dressing room' is having players that aren't giving their all. Not sure what else it means. If that's what people mean then I can't really think of any that are guilty of that, other than Matthews maybe. They were guilty of it (not giving their all) for the second half at Villa that's for sure - certainly from what I was watching anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, old parkender said: Completely at odds with the managers statement from last week, "there are cliques in the dressing room" and"perhaps we need to socialise more" cant really blame wilbs, he's employed by Bristol city, he might even believe what he's saying, who knows? One things for sure, things aren't right at the club and if the Fulham performance didn't make it crystal clear to some people, nothing ever will. Maybe Lee was imagining the groups that were forming in the dressing room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockneydave Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said: Love you to pieces mate, but what a loads of old cobblers this is...particularly the bit in bold. At least near the bottom he 'gets it' in terms of the atmosphere at AG being a two-way street between fans and players. Just a shame he's (presumably) being made by the club to come out with this nonsense about the dressing room being a happy camp. Interesting he talks about the nucleus of the squad still being there from 3 years ago and no coincidence it was him, Pack, Flint and Bryan sat behind me at the rugby on Sunday... Nice to see your a city fan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 53 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: To be fair you don't need to be in the know to make an educated guess that the team spirit has not been the same over the last 3 years ie promotion season versus now, for example. You cant really compare team spirit to a title winning season though. Its easy to have good team spirit when youre winning every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Is part of the problem that: 1. Lots of people quote 'lost the dressing room', but actually couldn't really describe what this means? 2. Losing the Dressing room (assuming you can answer 1.) has little correlation to events / results on the pitch. In some ways, having a nice easy time from your manager may lead to under-performing, e.g. Complacency. Most of us will have worked for bosses that we have no respect for....but still put in a shift because that's what we do Most of us will also have worked for bosses we look up to (no LJ height pun intended)....and gone the extra mile for By the same token, under both scenarios we might also have coasted along. There's professional pride, self-preservation, sucking up, etc etc. All I know is that results on the pitch are pretty bad (awful, bar the odd ray of sunshine in parts of games). My assumption is that the Head Coach is part of the reason. The players too...but, I reckon we'd see an improvement under a different head-coach, and a return to the form we'd expect from a bunch of players who can perform better and near to their average at least. Of course there are bust-ups to varying extents across most clubs. A good man-manager will use it to galvanise his team and their performance. A good man-manager will know when to isolate that trouble-maker, or make them feel even more special. There is no one solution for all if it. Often, experience helps guide you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: Didn't one of the players come out with something a bit similar, just prior to Cotts' sacking? Racking my brain as to who it was, but I'm pretty sure there was an interview just like that. Maybe Adam Baker keeps a template in his press pack and just changes the name of the player quoted and under-threat manager to suit. Anyway, along with the owner's vote of confidence, and Johnson's nonchalant interview, a player coming out in support is yet more sign that the head coach's days are numbered. Look out for a black cat sitting in front of the dugout and a single raven circling overhead during the Burton game! What about an A frame over the dug out, and a sword suspended by a fine thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, old parkender said: Completely at odds with the managers statement from last week, "there are cliques in the dressing room" and"perhaps we need to socialise more" cant really blame wilbs, he's employed by Bristol city, he might even believe what he's saying, who knows? One things for sure, things aren't right at the club and if the Fulham performance didn't make it crystal clear to some people, nothing ever will. The continuity manager isn't do a good job, is like a poor soap opera where you see in inconsistency from episode to episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Should have told the club to stick this obvious propaganda up their arses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 30 minutes ago, spudski said: It wasn't aimed at you...and I know you know your stuff. Nice of you to say but even that's only an opinion isn't it ! Same as my opinion about some very astute posters (I only have some confidence within myself about my opinion based on the fact that my opinion has been judged , in some aspects, by people I respect) Like all of us I doubt my opinion, however strong , and have certainly done so with regards to LJ , as there were so many supporters of him until a few weeks ago and thinking I'm missing something I've looked in their posts and the debates to find something I'm 'missing' Quite simply I've failed to do that save a 45 min performance against Derby and the spirit and discipline shown at Newcastle (I'm still hoping, praying that those positives will springboard us forward - ' Was it the big away game boost ' We will know a lot more at 5pm tomorrow) Those type of performances are what will convince the fans that all is not lost in the dressing room , not media releases Bear in mind it is still perfectly Possible, even likely that a group of players / part of the squad will put in performances or spirit at least for themselves and each other A coincidence that LJ named the same 11 Tuesday for just about the first time in how many months ? However...look back at our players during 'your time' and since...people in jail, fisty cuffs, fighting between players, cliques, gambling, drugs, players screwing other players wives, drink, drink and more drink...I could go on...and you think our lot are bad? C'mon mate, get some reality back. It's no different to before or any other club. Agree , all sorts occurs but in this instance we are in essence talking about players not having faith in the manager / believing in his philosophies / coaching / instruction - Not even whether they like him or not There have IMHO been some major bust ups between significant players and the head coach during the season and the legacy of these is likely to decide our fate one way or another IMHO The alleged Huddersfield incident is not the norm and the fallout and effect of that may be pivotal in our season Perhaps even more pivotal and the crux is what led to / what was behind that and other (alleged) incidents I really can't believe you've been taken in by some of the tripe written on here. I havnt There is some astute stuff, but the majority of threads are absolutely ridiculous. You want me to take seriously a fan who wants to chant 'Johnson out' for 90 mins and such like? And then call everyone a tool for not agreeing. So many threads like that...you earn respect. I don't respect idiots and others like that. Just because they are City fans...it doesn't make them not idiots or stupid. I'm ashamed to be associated with some of the crap on here. I repeat , I havnt - I was one of the first and vigorous critics of the LJ Midget banners and have either voiced my disagreement or liked those who have as regards as to some of the plans / suggestions Check my postings I do understand though just how ******** off people are and with LJs i/vs and sound bites and SL digging his heels in and appearing to get the hump has IMHO only made the situation worse The fact I don't agree with some actions or proposed actions is neither here or there , some of those actions are IMHO totally unacceptable and where necessary I've said so , some are not necessarily my idea of the best way forward but find less comfortable criticising The PR / media content coming from the Club is muddled and mistaken IMHO with a number of own goals As for the people that are 'astute' I agree...and some of them have scouting, or a coaching interest in that back ground. You can spot them a mile off. No doubt people are frustrated...and I can understand why some fans want LJ gone...but the majority of stuff written on here is total bullshit tbh. Diasagree that the 'majority' is Having passion for a Club shouldn't trigger the 'stupid' button imo...great leaders and thinkers are those that think logically under pressure. They don't rant and rave and point fingers and turn everything into a conspiracy or put a negative slant on everything to bash the club with.. Can't disagree Frustration and disappointment is one thing...heated debate is good. The rest of it is total bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Is part of the problem that: 1. Lots of people quote 'lost the dressing room', but actually couldn't really describe what this means? 2. Losing the Dressing room (assuming you can answer 1.) has little correlation to events / results on the pitch. In some ways, having a nice easy time from your manager may lead to under-performing, e.g. Complacency. Most of us will have worked for bosses that we have no respect for....but still put in a shift because that's what we do Most of us will also have worked for bosses we look up to (no LJ height pun intended)....and gone the extra mile for By the same token, under both scenarios we might also have coasted along. There's professional pride, self-preservation, sucking up, etc etc. All I know is that results on the pitch are pretty bad (awful, bar the odd ray of sunshine in parts of games). My assumption is that the Head Coach is part of the reason. The players too...but, I reckon we'd see an improvement under a different head-coach, and a return to the form we'd expect from a bunch of players who can perform better and near to their average at least. Of course there are bust-ups to varying extents across most clubs. A good man-manager will use it to galvanise his team and their performance. A good man-manager will know when to isolate that trouble-maker, or make them feel even more special. There is no one solution for all if it. Often, experience helps guide you. Cracking post - You do explain / set out , what you're saying / your point extremely well Dave An art in itself and better than I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, OddBallJim said: Fair enough. But if he hasn't lost the dressing room he's either: A) a lacklustre man-manager B) a poor tactician Either way he's lost the fans and lost the plot. Sorry Lj, wanted you to be our Eddie Howe but sadly you're more our Iain Dowie. Well, when Dowie took over at Palace in December 2003 they were in 19th place in the championship - he got them promoted to the premier league that season.....so I wish LJ was our Iain Dowie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Is part of the problem that: 1. Lots of people quote 'lost the dressing room', but actually couldn't really describe what this means? 2. Losing the Dressing room (assuming you can answer 1.) has little correlation to events / results on the pitch. In some ways, having a nice easy time from your manager may lead to under-performing, e.g. Complacency. Most of us will have worked for bosses that we have no respect for....but still put in a shift because that's what we do Most of us will also have worked for bosses we look up to (no LJ height pun intended)....and gone the extra mile for By the same token, under both scenarios we might also have coasted along. There's professional pride, self-preservation, sucking up, etc etc. All I know is that results on the pitch are pretty bad (awful, bar the odd ray of sunshine in parts of games). My assumption is that the Head Coach is part of the reason. The players too...but, I reckon we'd see an improvement under a different head-coach, and a return to the form we'd expect from a bunch of players who can perform better and near to their average at least. Of course there are bust-ups to varying extents across most clubs. A good man-manager will use it to galvanise his team and their performance. A good man-manager will know when to isolate that trouble-maker, or make them feel even more special. There is no one solution for all if it. Often, experience helps guide you. Great post Dave but far too sensible and realisitc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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