RedLionLad Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 If I was the owner of this business, I'd have more concern for my thousands of customers (spending their money elsewhere) rather than my staff. Staff can always be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: That's all very cliche What do you / does that actually mean ? Having actually operated and owned a very successful business for nearly 30 years, I would call the management together and grill them until I had a view of what was needed and then every person would be directed to carry out the tasks that were assigned. In a football club, many of these issues must concern fitness, medical services, coaches, senior players, management and all support staff. The focus has to be on fitness and performance because I feel that some players look as if they have struggled in recent games. We don't know who carry knocks, strains, minor illnesses and the like. We don't see the form and attitude of the players in training. Maybe a sports psychologist would be useful. The whole squad should be pulled together and if there was a disruptive element, that should be dealt with in an appropriate manner. A club us a big team and everyone had to do their bit......including fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: Having actually operated and owned a very successful business for nearly 30 years, I would call the management together and grill them until I had a view of what was needed and then every person would be directed to carry out the tasks that were assigned. In a football club, many of these issues must concern fitness, medical services, coaches, senior players, management and all support staff. The focus has to be on fitness and performance because I feel that some players look as if they have struggled in recent games. We don't know who carry knocks, strains, minor illnesses and the like. We don't see the form and attitude of the players in training. Maybe a sports psychologist would be useful. The whole squad should be pulled together and if there was a disruptive element, that should be dealt with in an appropriate manner. A club us a big team and everyone had to do their bit......including fans! ah ok Fitness and performance - sounds good And would you ,as a successful businessman not have done so before this ? As a side note , and a genuine question , I recognise your unwavering support , but when you attend games do you sing and shout and get behind them or more as a spectator ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Decent question from a slightly different angle, the answer is sack him The theme on here now is generally the same Not criticism of you OP just humouring how it is on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39232229 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B block Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: Having actually operated and owned a very successful business for nearly 30 years, I would call the management together and grill them until I had a view of what was needed and then every person would be directed to carry out the tasks that were assigned. In a football club, many of these issues must concern fitness, medical services, coaches, senior players, management and all support staff. The focus has to be on fitness and performance because I feel that some players look as if they have struggled in recent games. We don't know who carry knocks, strains, minor illnesses and the like. We don't see the form and attitude of the players in training. Maybe a sports psychologist would be useful. The whole squad should be pulled together and if there was a disruptive element, that should be dealt with in an appropriate manner. A club us a big team and everyone had to do their bit......including fans! But what if your comparable employee of your business was the problem, convert LJ to operational director for instance and if said person moved people away from their core tasks, say accountants doing the post or the purchase ledger operating machinery, would you not act then if after 5 months and countless opportunities he was still chopping and changing and your business was going down hill ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: ah ok And would you ,as a successful businessman not have done so before this ? As a side note , and a genuine question , I recognise your unwavering support , but when you attend games do you sing and shout and get behind them or more as a spectator I think that the support from SL for Lee shows that he is doing exactly what I have described. He can see more than us - it does not mean that he is right or that a couple of horrific refereeing decisions cannot upend our season - but I believe he is acting in the best interests of the business as he, from his position, sees it. I do shout and sing as much as possible - although I list my voice for a couple of weeks recently and it is still not back to normal - I do my best! I used to go to virtually every away game when I lived in London and had a group of regular travellers. Since I retired I go on my own and I am too old to do the mammoth drives to away games - although I would happily pay fuel if there were local fans who wanted to crew up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 I would boast about it in a letter and slag all and sundry off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: Having actually operated and owned a very successful business for nearly 30 years, I would call the management together and grill them until I had a view of what was needed and then every person would be directed to carry out the tasks that were assigned. In a football club, many of these issues must concern fitness, medical services, coaches, senior players, management and all support staff. The focus has to be on fitness and performance because I feel that some players look as if they have struggled in recent games. We don't know who carry knocks, strains, minor illnesses and the like. We don't see the form and attitude of the players in training. Maybe a sports psychologist would be useful. The whole squad should be pulled together and if there was a disruptive element, that should be dealt with in an appropriate manner. A club us a big team and everyone had to do their bit......including fans! Don't mean to be rude but that analysis does not fill me with confidence that you have "owned a very successful business". What would you actually do, other than have a meeting, and deal with disruptive staff in "an appropriate manner"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, B block said: But what if your comparable employee of your business was the problem, convert LJ to operational director for instance and if said person moved people away from their core tasks, say accountants doing the post or the purchase ledger operating machinery, would you not act then if after 5 months and countless opportunities he was still chopping and changing and your business was going down hill ? I think that SL will have considered all aspects of our current difficulties - I await his further decisions with interest. Remember he knows the Peale and the situation from first hand - eople on here are guessing and weaving urban myths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: I think that the support from SL for Lee shows that he is doing exactly what I have described. He can see more than us - it does not mean that he is right or that a couple of horrific refereeing decisions cannot upend our season - but I believe he is acting in the best interests of the business as he, from his position, sees it. I do shout and sing as much as possible - although I list my voice for a couple of weeks recently and it is still not back to normal - I do my best! I used to go to virtually every away game when I lived in London and had a group of regular travellers. Since I retired I go on my own and I am too old to do the mammoth drives to away games - although I would happily pay fuel if there were local fans who wanted to crew up. I can only say , in fairness you always answer I wanted to scream reading your first paragraph and the blame on horrific refereeing decisions But , after the second , in a totally bewildered way I've just got to say 'Fair play' (Mind you I am shaking my head and rocking slowly as I do,so ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B block Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Bat Fastard said: I think that SL will have considered all aspects of our current difficulties - I await his further decisions with interest. Remember he knows the Peale and the situation from first hand - eople on here are guessing and weaving urban myths. But 2 wins in 5 months isn't a myth that's a fact buying 19 players and only playing 3 is a fact, our league position is his responsibility i simply don't see how the fault does not fall at his door and he should therefore resign or be removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, NickJ said: Don't mean to be rude but that analysis does not fill me with confidence that you have "owned a very successful business". What would you actually do, other than have a meeting, and deal with disruptive staff in "an appropriate manner"? Well the results of the meetings and the analysis would determine the necessary action and measures. Not knowing the issues within the club , squad and management, I can either bullshit, like most on here and create urban myths, or describe an outline of a process for dealing with a management issue. I don't care whether you have confidence in my business acumen or not - I didn't do too badly! Appropriate action is indicated by the findings. Do try to keep up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Bat Fastard said: Well the results of the meetings and the analysis would determine the necessary action and measures. Not knowing the issues within the club , squad and management , I can either bullshit, like most on here and create urban myths, or describe an outline of a process for dealing with a management issue. I don't care whether you have confidence in my business acumen or not - I didn't do too badly! Appropriate action is indicated by the findings. Do try to keep up! Think we could do with you replacing Ashton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, B block said: But 2 wins in 5 months isn't a myth that's a fact buying 19 players and only playing 3 is a fact, our league position is his responsibility i simply don't see how the fault does not fall at his door and he should therefore resign or be removed The fault may well be Lee's but maybe SO still thinks he is promising enough to try to make it work out. He is young and needs to build experience - we need to hopefully survive these hard times. I should imagine that SL is a remarkably effective top executive and should not be underestimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: Well the results of the meetings and the analysis would determine the necessary action and measures. Not knowing the issues within the club , squad and management, I can either bullshit, like most on here and create urban myths, or describe an outline of a process for dealing with a management issue. I don't care whether you have confidence in my business acumen or not - I didn't do too badly! Appropriate action is indicated by the findings. Do try to keep up! Thanks for clarifying that. I'm none the wiser. So, to try again. I am talking in general, not Bristol City. The question again: If you were the owner of a business. And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted March 10, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Really we all know and accept it is the customers at fault and it is only right I point that out to them. They're a captive market so they won't be going to my rivals anyway so I can say whatever I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Think we could do with you replacing Ashton Sadly I have been retired for 6 years and have a very comfortable life - the only itch that I cannot scratch at present is what is happening at City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, NickJ said: Thanks for clarifying that. I'm none the wiser. So, to try again. I am talking in general, not Bristol City. The question again: If you were the owner of a business. And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? 10 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: Well the results of the meetings and the analysis would determine the necessary action and measures. Not knowing the issues within the club , squad and management, I can either bullshit, like most on here and create urban myths, or describe an outline of a process for dealing with a management issue. I don't care whether you have confidence in my business acumen or not - I didn't do too badly! Appropriate action is indicated by the findings. Do try to keep up! Answered above Nick Keep up Id send one to make the tea ready for the meetings - that gets rid of one - I'm one ahead of you two. Only 15 left to deal with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, NickJ said: Thanks for clarifying that. I'm none the wiser. So, to try again. I am talking in general, not Bristol City. The question again: If you were the owner of a business. And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? I'd ask myself whether my manager had recruited the wrong 16 people or if I had recruited the wrong 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, NickJ said: Thanks for clarifying that. I'm none the wiser. So, to try again. I am talking in general, not Bristol City. The question again: If you were the owner of a business. And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? Find out what had happened with the process! Is it the scouting? Coaching? Or something else. Look at what has occurred and make up your own urban myth. Only those in the club know what happened and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 I wonder a lot about Peter Hargreaves influence and achievement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: I wonder a lot about Peter Hargreaves influence and achievement Tommy - Have you been on the sherbert tonight ? Because we are having a sensible discussion about a root and branch review of the Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: Find out what had happened with the process! Is it the scouting? Coaching? Or something else. Look at what has occurred and make up your own urban myth. Only those in the club know what happened and why. I feel there is a "failure to understand the question " issue here. Planet Mars to Planet Earth: This is not a Bristol City related question. Again: If you were a business owner. And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Tommy - Have you been on the sherbert tonight ? Because we are having a sensible discussion about a root and branch review of the Club To be fair I think he is too, if you get my drift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, NickJ said: I feel there is a "failure to understand the question " issue here. Planet Mars to Planet Earth: This is not a Bristol City related question. Again: If you were a business owner. And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? We had a meeting Nick Would have helped if you could have attended rather than keep,shouting the same question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, NickJ said: I feel there is a "failure to understand the question " issue here. Planet Mars to Planet Earth: This is not a Bristol City related question. Again: If you were a business owner. And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? Earth to Nick - I would examine the process and seek to find out what has gone wrong and then deal with the situation. SOD was right in this case!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Der no.2 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, NickJ said: And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? Firstly find out the managers definition of sub standard. Then give him the envelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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