bristolcitysweden Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Out of what mate ? ( PS Thanks for interrupting the strategic review planning process ) Out of the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 England out of the Club ? Blimey Tommy you've lost me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 do you mean Engvall ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der no.2 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: England out of the Club ? Blimey Tommy you've lost me A tad cryptic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 No Tan. Loads of wealthy humble people out there who understand they know nothing about football but see the business potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 7 hours ago, NickJ said: And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? Extend his contract and let him sign some more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southstandred Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 As an owner of a business what I wouldn't do is throw all my apprentices on a job together and expect miracles !! Which is basically what the club has done with our coaching team. I wonder what SL or MA's reaction would be if a team of "apprentice" plumbers rocked up to their mansions to learn on the job with no one to guide them ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 9 hours ago, NickJ said: Well, when you wake up, I have no "deep and comprehensive knowledge of the inner workings of the club". I am simply asking a question. And I take on board your point that we might be buying candy for the future. But, bearing in mind that our sweets may be nestling at the foot of the League One candy store nest season, I have to repeat my question: If you were a business owner. And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? We don't know that they are sub-standard and maybe....just maybe, they are good players who are not quite up to Championship pace yet. If it was thought that the chief scout had got it wrong, maybe that is a situation that could be addressed - or maybe if one of the senior coaches was incapable of sorting out the right coaching methods, maybe that could also be addressed. The point is that there will be processes in place, if they need to be adjusted or amended, this is also a process issue. They will be working hard to resolve the issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rag Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 Get him a top of the range tombola machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: Just read this discussion. So do you think Johnson makes the decisions of what we see on the pitch? Team sheet, tactics, subs etc. I expect he has some kind of discussion with the other coaches as the game progresses and makes the final decision. What we don't always know is if players are carryinging slight knocks and strains that makes it risky to bring them on in case they make matters worse. With 6 games in 18 days, there must be a lot of that - and some players look very tired Cotts and Joe for example. Lee has struggled to have his best experienced players available for many of the games. There must be question marks about the fitness of Gary O'Neil, who looked so good early in the season and is now a shadow of that player. Tomlin has hardly cut the mustard in many games and Matthews must be a vast disappointment when we are desperate for an experienced right back and he seems to have a huge attitude problem affecting his fitness and desire to play. I'm not sure who said it, but if you want to motivate players, you need players who can be motivated. We may have one or two issues with this in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 11 hours ago, NickJ said: And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? Sounds like a quality manager. It looks like the manager understands what quality staff looks like, looks to be ruthless enough to finger the poor performing staff, has reported it to the owner and is trustworthy. It's obvious, sack the recruitment agency, sack the 16 (who obviously lied on their CV) and get another 16 in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 11 hours ago, GrahamC said: Probably depend on whether I had "mentored" him, offered him a mock interview before his first job and then kept in touch with him over the years with every intention of offering him a job he patently wasn't suitable for. Actually as we all know, this is utter bollocks, the correct answer is to sack the hapless clown months ago.. Very interesting Graham. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, bcfcfinker said: Sounds like a quality manager. It looks like the manager understands what quality staff looks like, looks to be ruthless enough to finger the poor performing staff, has reported it to the owner and is trustworthy. It's obvious, sack the recruitment agency, sack the 16 (who obviously lied on their CV) and get another 16 in. Clearly a deeply considered response! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Bat Fastard said: Clearly a deeply considered response! If only football was this easy, we'd all be team owners with teams in the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, bcfcfinker said: If only football was this easy, we'd all be team owners with teams in the Championship It must be a nightmare to run a football club. There are so many variables and any idea of control is a mirage. It is impossible to control injuries, form and rebellious fans. The loss of form of a couple of key players can severely impact upon the team and that can affect revenue. It never ceases to amaze me that brilliant business people come into the game and struggle so badly. If it is hard being a fan of our club right now - just imagine what SL and LJ are going through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 12 hours ago, NickJ said: And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? I would forward the 16 to the place where their names were first suggested........ Cheltenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 12 hours ago, NickJ said: And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? Initially, I'd find out if they really were sub-standard - question his/her opinion or reasoning. Are they really sub-standard or is the manager failing to recognise their full potential? Or doesn't like them, for some reason… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: I would forward the 16 to the place where their names were first suggested........ Cheltenham. Ah....you seem to have uncovered the true masterplan Bill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 12 hours ago, GrahamC said: Probably depend on whether I had "mentored" him, offered him a mock interview before his first job and then kept in touch with him over the years with every intention of offering him a job he patently wasn't suitable for. Actually as we all know, this is utter bollocks, the correct answer is to sack the hapless clown months ago.. I wonder just exactly what your definition of mentored is? i don't expect an answer to this by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I wonder just exactly what your definition of mentored is? i don't expect an answer to this by the way. Can't speak for Graham Fordy , and he will probably explain , but SL has been quite open oabout keeping in touch with LJ and keeping an eye on him , references / helping him apply for jobs and I think this general thing is what Graham is referring to although he'll put me right if I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Can't speak for Graham Fordy , and he will probably explain , but SL has been quite open oabout keeping in touch with LJ and keeping an eye on him , references / helping him apply for jobs and I think this general thing is what Graham is referring to although he'll put me right if I'm wrong Correct. @spudski told us 3 years ago that LJ would one day be BCFC manager. It was always a case of when not if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Which I believe is Johnsons fault. We all knew he had to bring in a right back. Even though vyner has done well for someone so young, he is not the answer. And selling ayling who is now doing well at Leeds is Johnsons fault. He couldn't get in our side under Johnson and was clearly happy to get rid of him. Gary oneil has played well but looks terrible when playing too many games. He looked knackered against burton. It should be common sense that someone of oneils age is going to struggle to suddenly play loads of games, Saturday and Tuesday in a row, especially as he's been out for a while. I suggested dropping him against villa so he would be fit for burton. Why can't Johnson see that? Tomlins poor performances have mainly been Johnsons fault too. He brought him in, mainly played him behind tammy in a 451, when clearly tomlin needs someone with pace in front of him, and ideally pace on the wings. He didn't bring in players that compliment tomlins game. He continues to play tomlin, who has been dreadful. Why play a player that is a liability defensively and doesn't even offer much in possession anymore. Makes no runs, a complete waste of space. It must be Johnsons fault that he continues to start him, or even more annoyingly brings him on. Why bring on tomlin against Norwich when Paterson did brilliantly coming on against Rotherham, and did much better than tomlin when replacing him against burton. On both occasions Paterson playing behind Taylor and Djuric looked dangerous, so why choose tomlin over Paterson when making the changes against Norwich? I don't think we're all that inexperienced a side either. These are my views on points you've made. There are loads of other examples of how Johnson gets what we see on pitch wrong. I agree with much of what you write - but I do not know the inner workings behind team selection. Playing knackered players seems to be wrong and there are always questions about team selection and set up. We don't know why these things are done and I keep coming back to the 6 games in 18 days - very difficult to manage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Correct. @spudski told us 3 years ago that LJ would one day be BCFC manager. It was always a case of when not if. I wonder if Spudski could tell us who the next manager will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellspokenman Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 12 hours ago, NickJ said: And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: I agree with much of what you write - but I do not know the inner workings behind team selection. Playing knackered players seems to be wrong and there are always questions about team selection and set up. We don't know why these things are done and I keep coming back to the 6 games in 18 days - very difficult to manage! There was the implication from LJ that he didn't trust some of his squad… in what way, I don't know. Plus, that there were 'cliques' within the squad and that they should socialise together more. That is possibly the reason for playing certain players over others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 12 hours ago, NickJ said: And your manager recruited 19 staff, then admitted 16 of them were sub standard. What would you do? Jump into bed with him and eat caviare off his arse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joker Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: just imagine what SL and LJ are going through. Whoa!! hold yer horses fat boy, your talking two people here, their not affected by the sort of $hit and ridicule every city fan faces for just being a city fan every day, in work,neighbors, down the pub,kids in school, everywhere, stuff them two,they caused it and could have sorted it so it reflects back on the fans because they and they alone are responsible for turning this club into a laughing stock, bollox to em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: There was the implication from LJ that he didn't trust some of his squad… in what way, I don't know. Plus, that there were 'cliques' within the squad and that they should socialise together more. That is undoubtedly the reason for playing certain players over others. The only word I'd change Max - clear as day Then he keeps dabbling at bringing back an unfit , poor form ( Being unfit and driving to and fro Leicester every day - personal situation ????? Not helping ) , Tomlin back , desperate to draw on the outside chance of a moments magic 'Tomlingate' , and the fall out , may have been a defining point in our season , and what led up to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 11 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Think we could do with you replacing Ashton Collis 1 would choke on his quinoa latte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redapple Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Bat Fastard said: We don't know that they are sub-standard and maybe....just maybe, they are good players who are not quite up to Championship pace yet. If it was thought that the chief scout had got it wrong, maybe that is a situation that could be addressed - or maybe if one of the senior coaches was incapable of sorting out the right coaching methods, maybe that could also be addressed. The point is that there will be processes in place, if they need to be adjusted or amended, this is also a process issue. They will be working hard to resolve the issues. Do you work for BT ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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