class_not_gas Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 7 hours ago, Red_Wizard said: Bag of Worthers and a day trip to Swindon. I'll take the worthers , you can stick the day trip to Swindon where the sun don't shine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 10 hours ago, pongo88 said: It's not in the least bit pointless for clubs that win or reach the final. For most of these clubs it's the only "major" cup they will ever win. Some winners have been relatively big teams that have fallen on hard times, but many have also been small clubs that never achieve much - e g Carlise, Chesterfield, Crewe. I've been to all of City's finals and have enjoyed all of them, with the exception of the losses to Mansfield and Stoke. The 1986 win against Bolton, with Terry Cooper as manager, was a fantastic day. (Watch the Terry Cooper interview above) Almost as good was the area final when City came back form a first leg deficit of 0-2 to beat Hereford 3-2. It's not the cup that is a problem, just the awful structure of the early rounds. But it isn't 1986 anymore, the playoffs exist for "little" clubs to get to Wembley now and the 2 major cup competitions are increasingly devalued by clubs in the top 2 divisions. They are simply more irrelevant games of football, sparsely attended in most rounds whatever the format. Getting to the final in the promotion season was more a sign of how far we'd fallen than any achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Good luck to Coventry City fans.....the last time they finished in the top 6 of any league was 48 years ago - cup finals are all they have. It is a shame the cup competitions are increasingly disrespected these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Sure if we got there again next season (hopefully won't be playing in it) we would take another 40k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: But it isn't 1986 anymore, the playoffs exist for "little" clubs to get to Wembley now and the 2 major cup competitions are increasingly devalued by clubs in the top 2 divisions. They are simply more irrelevant games of football, sparsely attended in most rounds whatever the format. Getting to the final in the promotion season was more a sign of how far we'd fallen than any achievement. We should just cancel all professional football and let Chelsea and Man City play each other every week . That's entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Scrap it and the league cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 12 hours ago, phantom said: Needs a better incentive for the winners, maybe a europa league spot? Free pass to FA cup Round 3 during the following season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 20 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said: Scrap it and the league cup. Merge the 2 I'd say. Just have one competition for FL teams (no premier league clubs) FA Cup style draw, no invites to U-23 teams or any shite like that. This, IMO, would also enhance the FA Cup as premier league teams who are not in European competition would have one crack at winning a trophy per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Don Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Revert back to the original format, that's the only tweak needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 53 minutes ago, WarksRobin said: Free pass to FA cup Round 3 during the following season. Not a bad shout actually. May give the higher placed league 1 teams more of an incentive to field as strong a side as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 13 hours ago, phantom said: Needs a better incentive for the winners, maybe a europa league spot? Either I'm missing a joke here or the Football League have given up the Europa League spot to EFL Cup winners... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 29, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: Either I'm missing a joke here or the Football League have given up the Europa League spot to EFL Cup winners... You've quoted my reply about the league cup @Robin1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 13 hours ago, Red_Wizard said: Pointless competition in my eyes. Premier league clubs aren't interested in the League Cup. Give the League Cup to teams in Championship, League One & Two. Everyone in the FA Cup. Problem solved. Been saying this for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 "Toys out pram" moment because they can't believe that the horrendous idea of including Prem reserve teams wasn't a roaring success and this is a big kick in the teeth for the "Master Plan" of B - sides in the Championship ! Wembely may have a big say in this though as they need the cash. Obviously was never going to work for real fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 23 minutes ago, phantom said: You've quoted my reply about the league cup @Robin1988 Yep, the EFL Cup. Pretty sure the winner gets a EL spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Bring back Anglo Italia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J.Thribb Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Crap idea in the first place including u-23 sides. Ruined the comp and fans showed their disdain for it and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 3 hours ago, GrahamC said: But it isn't 1986 anymore, the playoffs exist for "little" clubs to get to Wembley now and the 2 major cup competitions are increasingly devalued by clubs in the top 2 divisions. They are simply more irrelevant games of football, sparsely attended in most rounds whatever the format. Getting to the final in the promotion season was more a sign of how far we'd fallen than any achievement. Spot on. Back in the early years of the competition most clubs in the lower divisions had next to no chance of reaching Wembley so the prize on offer had something of value. But now two clubs from every division below the Premier reach the play-off final every season played at Wembley and have been doing so for years. The prize has therefore been diminished as clubs in the lower divisions do now have a one in twelve chance of reaching Wembley each season, not a one in thousands chance as previously existed when the competition was devised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 15 hours ago, phantom said: Needs a better incentive for the winners, maybe a europa league spot? How's about a mini 3 team tournament - winner of the JPT/Checkatrade/LDV blah blah blah v FA cup winners v League cup winners. If FA cup winners and League cup winners are the same, then make it a one off game. Imagine Man U v Chelsea v someone like Oxford. Final played at Wembo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 1 hour ago, alexukhc said: Bring back Anglo Italia Is he still playing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Major Isewater said: We should just cancel all professional football and let Chelsea and Man City play each other every week . That's entertainment. Home and away.... one week in Dubai, one week in Moscow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 16 hours ago, Red_Wizard said: Bag of Worthers and a day trip to Swindon. I'd take the Worthers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, BigTone said: I'd take the Worthers Trip round The Magic Roundabout not got you sniffing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: Trip round The Magic Roundabout not got you sniffing? There is nothing worth sniffing in Swindon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky89 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Scrap the Checkatrade/League Trophy completely. Remove Premier League teams from the EFL Cup/League Cup and make it only open for Championship/League One/Two clubs. Keep FA Cup as it is. That will sort out the lot in my opinion - start encouraging teams to play stronger teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 8 hours ago, class_not_gas said: I'll take the worthers , you can stick the day trip to Swindon where the sun don't shine A day in Swindon would feel like a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted March 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 I'd be interested to know how much clubs lose financially in the early rounds. Make it to the final and you make a cash profit. However if you're only in the first few rounds the away team has to travel and probably have an overnight stay at their own expense. The home team has to pay Stewards, Police, Gate staff and pay the electric bill for the floodlights. If this competition is to survive, could the first two rounds at least be played on Saturday afternoons at the start of the season instead of friendlies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Footman's T shirt Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 20 hours ago, Red_Wizard said: Pointless competition in my eyes. Premier league clubs aren't interested in the League Cup. Give the League Cup to teams in Championship, League One & Two. Everyone in the FA Cup. Problem solved. Think this could be a solution. Would suggest a European place (or at least qualifying round place) for the winner. Revert the league cup to the 72 teams in the EFL. Gives all teams a shot at Wembley and the European place may ensure all clubs take it seriously. Many clubs in the EFL with good European pedigree. How great would it be to see City in Europe (not counting Anglo Italian/Scottish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted March 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Random statistic; in the Southern area final of this trophy, City have beat Aldershot, Rovers, Cambridge, Exeter, Gillingham and Hereford. Five of them were relegated to (what is now) the National League a few years later. Gillingham is the odd one out, but looking at the League 1 table, they may be in League 2 next season. "Buster Footman's T shirt", you'ld better warn your locals what's in store for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Surely as with league cup etc it's a great way to blood some of the youngsters and give them much needed game time... I only ever attend the games from semi final onwards being the glory hunter I am But I do enjoy it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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