Judda Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Just now, ontariored said: How can you say SL is the besty option we have.? You don't know that! The only way to test it is for BS to put BCFC up for sale and see who is interested in taking the club forward with a solid Manager. I don't know that. Obviously no one does. I personally think better the devil you know. He's done a lot for the club and has invested a fortune... I can't see any queues of oil rich Russians anywhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, Judda said: That is talking about currently... as I said before - I am talking about the debt from the last relegation. Still waiting for a reply to this. You have already had one. I answered earlier. You may get lost trying but check page ten and the accounts for 2014. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03230871/filing-history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, Cowshed said: You have already had one. I answered earlier. You may get lost trying but check page ten and the accounts for 2014. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03230871/filing-history Sorry. Can't see what you mean. Not trying to be awkward. Just don't see anything confirming if SL wrote off the debt from the relegation or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaspberryRed Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Brilliant!! 'A Geek' (apologies @Cowshed)has provided you with our accounts but you can't garner the info you crave to bolster your purile argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, RaspberryRed said: Brilliant!! 'A Geek' (apologies @Cowshed)has provided you with our accounts but you can't garner the info you crave to bolster your purile argument If you can see anything there to confirm what he's saying please let me know the sentences he's referring to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, Judda said: Sorry. Can't see what you mean. Not trying to be awkward. Just don't see anything confirming if SL wrote off the debt from the relegation or not... Pula sport (Mr Lansdown) turns debt into equity. The accounts also highlight that Pula Sport will cover shortfalls via buying shares when the need arises to fulfil operating costs ... It is all there in the accounts. That is servicing debt, call it what you want, but it is not writing debts off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Cowshed said: Pula sport (Mr Lansdown) turns debt into equity. The accounts also highlight that Pula Sport will cover shortfalls via buying shares when the need arises to fulfil operating costs ... It is all there in the accounts. That is servicing debt, call it what you want, but it is not writing debts off. I don't fully understand this. As I previously mentioned I hate accounts... You saying this iseffectively false? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3036055/Steve-Lansdown-s-gold-brings-Bristol-City-brink-return-Championship.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Judda said: I don't fully understand this. As I previously mentioned I hate accounts... You saying this iseffectively false? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3036055/Steve-Lansdown-s-gold-brings-Bristol-City-brink-return-Championship.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25681289 Mr Lansdown turned debt into shares. Twenty million is covered by loans. And further debts post 2014 - The club statement also confirmed that future funds required by the Robins would be introduced as equity rather than amassed as further debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Major Isewater said: The odd success story like Swansea ,Stoke , Wigan , Bournemouth,West Brum , Birmingham,Cardiff ... We should be in with an equal chance of getting promoted but that's not even what most of us wanted or believed , simply that we would build on our stay in the Championship, win à few more than we lose and enjoy our football. It's not asking for the moon is it ? We have an enviable situation financially and a super stadium we should under no circumstances be in the position we're currently in .It is scandalous, the waste of talent and money . BAD MANAGEMENT doesn't begin to sum it up . Good post Major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 35 minutes ago, Cowshed said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25681289 Mr Lansdown turned debt into shares. Twenty million is covered by loans. And further debts post 2014 - The club statement also confirmed that future funds required by the Robins would be introduced as equity rather than amassed as further debt. Thanks for this. Very interesting.... and far more understandable to the likes of myself! OK then... apart from the aqueducts, roads and education.... what have the Romans ever done for us!?! Seriously though. I standcorrected but don't think that is a terrible thing he has done. He is still imo better than anyone else we have available... I enjoy no one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Judda said: Thanks for this. Very interesting.... and far more understandable to the likes of myself! OK then... apart from the aqueducts, roads and education.... what have the Romans ever done for us!?! Seriously though. I standcorrected but don't think that is a terrible thing he has done. He is still imo better than anyone else we have available... I enjoy no one! How many people had to tell you? You admitted knowing nothing and then not even reading the original source material handed to you on a plate? Stand corrected and make the effort to understand the labyrinth that is the club's structure before kneeling before SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, RumRed said: How many people had to tell you? You admitted knowing nothing and then not even reading the original source material handed to you on a plate? Stand corrected and make the effort to understand the labyrinth that is the club's structure before kneeling before SL. I was waiting for someone to show me in layman's terms rather than ploughing through pages of stuff I don't understand. I openly said I don't do accounts and have no interest. Thanks to Cowshed for finding something that I could get my head round. And if you read my posts I am not kneeling before SL. Just think he is our best and probably only option at the moment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Judda said: Cast iron facts? No one has actually disproved what I said. Lansdown wrote off debt. Last relegation. Can anyone confirm or deny this please? So basically you are making a big stance / support when you admit yourself you don't actually know the facts Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: So basically you are making a big stance / support when you admit yourself you don't actually know the facts Brilliant I was of the understanding as probably a lot of city fans that he'd written off that debt... no one other than Cowshed were able to show me anything to make me believe otherwise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Problem with this site is a lot of people talk utter bollards. Also a lot of people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost. For support rather than illumination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Just now, Judda said: I was of the understanding as probably a lot of city fans that he'd written off that debt... no one other than Cowshed were able to show me anything to make me believe otherwise... If you seriously want a look at the finances I'm sure kid in the riot is the person to ask. I've only skimmed the stuff but aim to explore further when have the time. It really isn't as simple as writing off the debt, I warn you now though: The Red or the Blue pill, your decision. (Matrix reference; not Rovers/City btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontariored Posted April 3, 2017 Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Judda said: Problem with this site is a lot of people talk utter bollards. Also a lot of people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost. For support rather than illumination. Just look in the mirror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 minute ago, RumRed said: If you seriously want a look at the finances I'm sure kid in the riot is the person to ask. I've only skimmed the stuff but aim to explore further when have the time. It really isn't as simple as writing off the debt, I warn you now though: The Red or the Blue pill, your decision. (Matrix reference; not Rovers/City btw) Thanks but as I said before. Don't like accounts. Not my thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Just now, ontariored said: Just look in the mirror I have been asking for illumination all afternoon!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Judda said: Thanks but as I said before. Don't like accounts. Not my thing! Fair enough but take certain posters as knowing what they're talking about. You have to filter out the bollox, I'm not ITK, but I can, and do read the accounts, not very good at it! But there are some on here that do know what they're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Just now, RumRed said: Fair enough but take certain posters as knowing what they're talking about. You have to filter out the bollox, I'm not ITK, but I can, and do read the accounts, not very good at it! But there are some on here that do know what they're talking about. True. True. I've not been here long enough to know who's who yet! Anyway I have an early start tomorrow so going to log off. Not quite sure how I got sucked into this mass debate!!! Even if SL did some juggling to 'clear the debt... is that so terrible.... ? With that... goodnight!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Judda said: True. True. I've not been here long enough to know who's who yet! Anyway I have an early start tomorrow so going to log off. Not quite sure how I got sucked into this mass debate!!! Even if SL did some juggling to 'clear the debt... is that so terrible.... ? With that... goodnight!!! Welcome to The Land of Oz mate, I'd have your red shoes ready if I were you, you're certainly not in Kansas anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 My opinion of Peter Hargreaves goes up by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 12 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: 19-20 new players...costing £14 million. Redeveloped ground with hospitality for over 1,000 people sold out every week, average crowds of 19,000 that now puts us in the top half of the C'ship overall. And we will finish below Burton Albion who average around 4,000 home fans per game. Just let that sink in for a minute. Steve, Mrs Steve, ANYONE at the club, could you read the above please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 11 hours ago, Judda said: True. True. I've not been here long enough to know who's who yet! Anyway I have an early start tomorrow so going to log off. Not quite sure how I got sucked into this mass debate!!! Even if SL did some juggling to 'clear the debt... is that so terrible.... ? With that... goodnight!!!home The juggling of debt has led to a situation where BCFC a club once owned by fans (thousands in theory) is now owned by one man. The club has lost its main asset. It is a tenant in that former asset with another sporting club. Is that terrible you ask. Bristol City's financial performance has been, and its performance on the pitch over the last decade is of a club that is? Erratic, indifferent ... It has not consolidated. The constitution of BCFC once meant that nobody could own more than a 25% shareholding of the FC. This is no longer the case. My opinion is that the lack of accountability in BCFC being owned lock stock and barrel by one individual has led to autocratic poor decision making. Shiny new facilities and weird Bristol Sport branding of what was once the home of Bristol City the Pride of the West is the Emperors new clothes. Mr Lansdown is not mad, bad or even near the worst owner, he obviously cares about BCFC, but a club is not one man. The my way or the highway state, a club once owned by its fans is a position this fan who stuck with it through four divisions is disappointed by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 12 hours ago, Judda said: I have been asking for illumination all afternoon!!!! Well you certainly got lit up eventually didn't you. For the record, I think SL is ok, but not the "saviour" some make him out to be. I believe we truly are rudderless, but SL has the ability to correct that - I just question his willingness to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 12 hours ago, Judda said: True. True. I've not been here long enough to know who's who yet! Anyway I have an early start tomorrow so going to log off. Not quite sure how I got sucked into this mass debate!!! Even if SL did some juggling to 'clear the debt... is that so terrible.... ? With that... goodnight!!! You got sucked into this debate, by calling anyone that wants to question SL's leadership and running of the football club "Fools". Then asked for "Geeks" to show you proof of accounts. They did. You still didn't understand, and was too stubborn to admit you were wrong. You say you're new here? Welcome. Not great though is it trying to insult large portions of our fan base because of their opinions on LJ/SL etc etc. And yes, I believe people are starting to seriously question SL. Clinging on to LJ just to try and prove a point is wreckless, and incredibly stubborn, and I for one hate what he is turning this beloved club into. Don't get me started on Bristol Sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 On Sun Apr 02 2017 at 20:56, Loon plage said: I think our expectations were to end up above Huddersfield is that too high? yes lets all have the same expectations as judda an expect to watch shit every year get some hope an ambition for gods sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 18 hours ago, Judda said: Again. I am not reading 27 pages of accounts. I was referring to when we were previously relegated and he said he was going to write off the debt help had created... Also I raised this conversation with the locals of a very local pub with a group of City fans and they all looked horrified that there were a group of people trying to stir sh1t... I am now wondering if you are actually gas fools trying to sabotage our club? Debts he ran up with his clueless appointments and wasteful spending, remember the end of the GJ era? Steve Coppell, Millen, McInnes? When our grand leader took over the club had a positive bank balance, owned our own stadium, fair ownership between a number of board owners. The club has become a poorly run flabby dictatorship with zero progression on the pitch, further distance from the fans than I have ever known run by nepotism and corporate suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: Debts he ran up with his clueless appointments and wasteful spending, remember the end of the GJ era? Steve Coppell, Millen, McInnes? When our grand leader took over the club had a positive bank balance, owned our own stadium, fair ownership between a number of board owners. The club has become a poorly run flabby dictatorship with zero progression on the pitch, further distance from the fans than I have ever known run by nepotism and corporate suits. But apart from that its all gone to plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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