And Its Smith Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 One thought, if he’d caught it and thrown it in the air celebrating before his hand touched the ground it would have been given out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: One thought, if he’d caught it and thrown it in the air celebrating before his hand touched the ground it would have been given out I suppose they will say you do that once you’re in control of your body, he wasn’t able to hence the grounding. Tbf though, like you, it’s not something i will argue to much about, i think not out and lots think out. One of those that could go either way by the looks of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 1, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 That women's T20 was a better game than the mens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 12 hours ago, And Its Smith said: That was out. Ball was under control and then it’s irrelevant if he puts it on the ground. Strange umpiring He has to be in control of two things to make the catch, the ball and his own movement He’s not in control of the latter. It’s in the rules. Correctly given not out. Silly, silly fielding. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 13 hours ago, And Its Smith said: I’m guessing there will be clarification. Perfectly happy to accept if I’m wrong. I’ve seen similar things given as out which is why I’m guessing the Aussies didn’t even consider it as not out. Certainly splitting opinion on WhatsApp groups! It’s a case of if Starc was asked to stop as soon as he’s caught it he wouldn’t be able to and therefore not in control of his body, he’s then grounded the ball while stopping his momentum. Is primary school stuff where you’re told not to ground the ball, it’s why people will usually roll over to stop the ball hitting the floor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 If he slides and connects with the boundary rope then no one would be arguing whether it’s out or not - it’d be 6. This is no different. He sacrificed the risk of the ball bouncing out of his hand by grounding it - that sacrifice cost him the wicket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 43 minutes ago, Lrrr said: It’s a case of if Starc was asked to stop as soon as he’s caught it he wouldn’t be able to and therefore not in control of his body, he’s then grounded the ball while stopping his momentum. Is primary school stuff where you’re told not to ground the ball, it’s why people will usually roll over to stop the ball hitting the floor 1 hour ago, Fordy62 said: He has to be in control of two things to make the catch, the ball and his own movement He’s not in control of the latter. It’s in the rules. Correctly given not out. Silly, silly fielding. Considering it’s split opinion across professionals and amateurs I’d say shows it’s not quite as clear cut. I can certainly see why it was given not out though. And I can see why people think it was out. I do think they should just simplify the rule though to take away any ambiguity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Just now, Fordy62 said: If he slides and connects with the boundary rope then no one would be arguing whether it’s out or not - it’d be 6. This is no different. He sacrificed the risk of the ball bouncing out of his hand by grounding it - that sacrifice cost him the wicket. Similarly if he managed to throw it in the air in celebration whilst sliding nobody would say that isn’t out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 You can make good arguments for it being both in and out, so therefore the law needs changing. I would make it so that the ball has to be held for 2 seconds after the catch, and if any part of the ball is touching the ground its not out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Christ alive! It's plainly not out. You can't drag a ball along the field like that. Whinging Aussies. McGrath can do one. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 I like that Marais Erasmus has given a statement explaining why he made the decision he did. It`s a pity football can`t do the same occasionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 53 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Similarly if he managed to throw it in the air in celebration whilst sliding nobody would say that isn’t out. I guess it would depend what happened to the ball afterwards. Throwing the ball in the air is fine, the air isn’t the ground. The ground isn’t fine, it’s out. But if he threw it in the air before being in control and it then landed on the ground it would be not out, if he re caught it it’s out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, ralphindevon said: I guess it would depend what happened to the ball afterwards. Throwing the ball in the air is fine, the air isn’t the ground. The ground isn’t fine, it’s out. But if he threw it in the air before being in control and it then landed on the ground it would be not out, if he re caught it it’s out. I meant if he was sliding and threw it in the air to celebrate and it then hit the ground, like most fielders throw it in the air and it hits the ground. I don’t think anyone would bat an eyelid if a player did that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 to the letter of the law it was correctly given not out and as much as the ex pros (McGrath) think they know the rules, they don’t know it as well as Marais Erasmus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) Erasmus explains why it wasn’t out Edited July 2, 2023 by Fordy62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I meant if he was sliding and threw it in the air to celebrate and it then hit the ground, like most fielders throw it in the air and it hits the ground. I don’t think anyone would bat an eyelid if a player did that Yes, then it comes down to the did he have it under control interpretation. I seem to remember a case where a player threw it in the air, it dropped to the ground but was given not out as he threw it in the air when not completely under control, there was no deviation in hand movement. Can’t remember the exact case though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, ralphindevon said: Yes, then it comes down to the did he have it under control interpretation. I seem to remember a case where a player threw it in the air, it dropped to the ground but was given not out as he threw it in the air when not completely under control, there was no deviation in hand movement. Can’t remember the exact case though. Similarly there have been occasions when fielders have thrown it in the air mid dive and the catch has stood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 I would like England to win this but it would be down to sensible play today rather than bazball. Will Stokes and the coach accept this or will it be back to plan A in the next test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Win viz says 19% England. Smith Viz says 10% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Just now, And Its Smith said: Win viz says 19% England. Smith Viz says 10% Agreed. One of these needs a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Agreed. One of these needs a ton. Why not both? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Why on earth would anyone choose to have KP as part of the commentary team over Bumble or Gower? Ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) What score do these two need to get to, for this run chase to be doable? I reckon if they are still in and 220-4 its doable EDIT Dear Me **** off Edited July 2, 2023 by TonyTonyTony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 This just got a whole lot harder. 4 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: What score do these two need to get to, for this run chase to be doable? I reckon if they are still in and 220-4 its doable Congrats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: This just got a whole lot harder. Congrats. Ill get my coat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Now this will be interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Oh dear, Jonny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 That's out, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Donut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) The umpire is removing a hat from his belt. if that isn’t a dead ball then what is? Edited July 2, 2023 by Fordy62 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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