formerly known as ivan Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Putting Flint leaving to one side for a moment, where does Hörður currently stand in the current set up? Another left sided centre back in today and Hegeler picked above him tonight. Not gonna be happy as back up
Roger Red Hat Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Yep, certainly seems like Hörður is not first in line for CB or LB. I'd be sorry to see him go if he isn't going to be played but he needs to play. I've always liked what I've seen of him, maybe he's in the wrong country?
BCFC Grim Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Not favoured by the looks of it. Alot of money spent on him and Engvall for them not to work out. Fingers crossed they get a chance and can show what they can do.
GrahamC Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Can't see him hanging around until the end of August if he is behind Baker and Hegeler in the queue to partner Wright.
nickolas Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 I dont get why he missed basically the whole 2nd half of last season. LJ certainly pointed blame at him so perhaps thats it. He plays LBfor Iceland and i think wouldsuit there for us too if CB aint his place. But having Hegeler there is a real kick in the hordurs i reckon!
red84 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 A shame, he's decent playing the ball out wasn't great in the air when he first came but has improved.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Perhaps it's just as simple as other players have performed better than he has in training? The uproar will be mental should he move on, which goes to show that what you do on social media is every bit as important as what you do on the pitch these days!
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 1 hour ago, nickolas said: I dont get why he missed basically the whole 2nd half of last season. LJ certainly pointed blame at him so perhaps thats it. He plays LBfor Iceland and i think wouldsuit there for us too if CB aint his place. But having Hegeler there is a real kick in the hordurs i reckon! I was one of the one's advocating playing him left back last season. But having watched a couple of pre season games, he would not be good enough going forward for how LJ wants to play imo. The full backs have been providing the width high up the pitch, just following the comments on twitter tonight and Pisano has been on the end of 3 crosses already.
simon uk Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Well what he has done on the pitch is play and score for his country in tournament qualifiers, and been on the winning side against modric and rakitic and probably manzukic too. Yet lj doesnt rate him. Dont worry though, we will just keep signing more and more players til we find one that he does like, nothing can go wrong.
Super Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Just now, simon uk said: Well what he has done on the pitch is play and score for his country in tournament qualifiers, and been on the winning side against modric and rakitic and probably manzukic too. Yet lj doesnt rate him. Dont worry though, we will just keep signing more and more players til we find one that he does like, nothing can go wrong. He has been pretty poor for us which is all i am interested in.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, simon uk said: Well what he has done on the pitch is play and score for his country in tournament qualifiers, and been on the winning side against modric and rakitic and probably manzukic too. Yet lj doesnt rate him. Dont worry though, we will just keep signing more and more players til we find one that he does like, nothing can go wrong. What he does for Iceland has no bearing on what he does here. Being the best LB for Iceland doesn't necessarily make him the best LB here. At the end of the day if other players are outperforming him in training then why should he be guaranteed a game just because he plays for Iceland? I'm not sure any of us can say he definitley should or shouldn't be in the side right now. Having seen both play I'd say Baker is by far the better CB, personally. And as alluded to above it seems Johnson wants attacking fullbacks and he clearly isn't an attacking player so can't see him playing LB here.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Another point to consider is perhaps that Johnson feels well informed about his ability at CB due to the number of appearances last year, whereas he has very limited time to appraise Hegeler there in games where the result doesn't matter? Mags has started a couple of friendlies hasn't he? Could be just trying to get as many squad players as even spread of game time as practical.
simon uk Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Ive seen baker and Magnússon too, if this was being discussed 7 days ago im pretty sure not many would say baker is superior. Aggressive and a rash tackler maybe, but Magnússon is technically far superior. Maybe Hörður goes on that tiny list that lj has managed to lead to not any kind of improvement whatsoever? Oh wait, the one player who did improve was a prodigy who wasnt ours and had represented his country at every age group he was eligible for.
Super Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, simon uk said: Ive seen baker and Magnússon too, if this was being discussed 7 days ago im pretty sure not many would say baker is superior. Aggressive and a rash tackler maybe, but Magnússon is technically far superior. Maybe Hörður goes on that tiny list that lj has managed to lead to not any kind of improvement whatsoever? Oh wait, the one player who did improve was a prodigy who wasnt ours and had represented his country at every age group he was eligible for. Give it a rest with the love in. He has shown very little for me and if you saw him the other night you would understand why he isnt starting tonight. He really isnt that good.
CotswoldRed Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 23 minutes ago, Super said: He was awful the other night as was flint. I saw it different, especially in the second half.
steviestevieneville Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 I'd be very happy with Wright and Baker as stoppers when flinty goes but one problem it doesn't solve is playing out from the back. Hordour is by far the best with the ball at his feet but We need to keep a lot more clean sheets
Bar BS3 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 14 minutes ago, simon uk said: Well what he has done on the pitch is play and score for his country in tournament qualifiers, and been on the winning side against modric and rakitic and probably manzukic too. Yet lj doesnt rate him. Dont worry though, we will just keep signing more and more players til we find one that he does like, nothing can go wrong. Hörður has done nothing here to warrant being automatic choice in the first team. Don't get me wrong, he looks ok, but nothing more, so far. He's clearly got ability and is exactly the type of player I'd hope we'd have as back up throughout the season. It's up to him to force his way into the first team. Apart from the social media love in (yes, he's clearly a nice guy) I don't know why some people state such a case for his inclusion in the first team.
And Its Smith Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Decent player but hugely overrated on this forum
BRISTOL86 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Just now, RedM said: Hordour looks like hes coming on He can't be happy with that, surely he should have a statue by now.
Denbury Red Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 With Flint and Magnússon now on couldn't this be seen as the starting formation for the first gsme??
Super Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Just now, Denbury Red said: With Flint and Magnússon now on couldn't this be seen as the starting formation for the first gsme?? No wright will certainly start.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Just now, Super said: No wright will certainly start. Will Wright be alright on the left or will Wright be left on the right?
Denbury Red Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Super said: No wright will certainly start. Pisano, Flint, Wright, Magnússon as a back four??
simon uk Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 14 minutes ago, Super said: Give it a rest with the love in. He has shown very little for me and if you saw him the other night you would understand why he isnt starting tonight. He really isnt that good. He is clearly talented. Perhaps the question that needs to be asked is why wee lee and david brent have been shelling out millions on transfer fees and contracts to players who they either flog on, never play, and/ or quickly replace when they dont fancy them anymore?
BRISTOL86 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Denbury Red said: Pisano, Flint, Wright, Magnússon as a back four?? Really can't see Mags getting the nod over Baker.
Northern Red Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 I'd happily put money on Magnússon never starting a competitive game at LB so long as he and the manager both remain at the club.
BCFC Grim Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 50 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Perhaps it's just as simple as other players have performed better than he has in training? The uproar will be mental should he move on, which goes to show that what you do on social media is every bit as important as what you do on the pitch these days! If he moves on the only dissapointed will be that we spent a fair bit on him, and I doubt we'd get much back.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: If he moves on the only dissapointed will be that we spent a fair bit on him, and I doubt we'd get much back. We said that about Tomlin moving on and it seems we did ok there. Ashton has his faults but he's proving himself a decent negotiator. Can't see that we'd have lost a fortune on him if he does move on, but given that he's had a half tonight it seems he's still in the matchday plans.
Denbury Red Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Can't see either being the first choice left back. 14 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Really can't see Mags getting the nod over Baker. But from all reports on here Baker is suspended so he can't play - can't see Golbourne over Magnússon but can def see a back four.
Agard Days Night Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Hard to see Magnússon as first choice at CB or LB with the squad as it is. Think he's behind Flint, Wright and Baker for CB spots and Bryan looks set to start at LB. It's a squad game though so maybe there is game time for him here. I would like to see him stay and develop at the club.
Robin Ashton Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 48 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Will Wright be alright on the left or will Wright be left on the right? More importantly, who's Will Wright?
Phileas Fogg Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Hegeler is the better ball playing defender of the two on that showing. Magnússon looked poor tonight in that regard. Very wasteful in possession.
Agard Days Night Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Hegeler is the better ball playing defender of the two on that showing. Magnússon looked poor tonight in that regard. Very wasteful in possession. Wasn't at the game tonight. Does Hegeler look a good fit at CB or do you think he's a midfielder playing out of position?
AppyDAZE Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Super said: No wright will certainly start. Wright and Hegeler for me, with no Baker available. Looked decent 1st half together.
AppyDAZE Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Liked the look of Pisano. Looked aggressive attacking, if he can be sound at the back i think we've done ok. Liked his positioning for that free kick where he muscled his way to get a header on goal. Looked good.
Phileas Fogg Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said: Wasn't at the game tonight. Does Hegeler look a good fit at CB or do you think he's a midfielder playing out of position? Looks a good fit, particularly his distribution. He wasn't tested tonight though, not sure if he'd look quite as good playing stronger opposition. Definitely worth trying him out there as he could be a very good ball playing defender.
TinMan's left peg Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 I like Hörður but he was pretty bad when he came on tonight, gave the ball away a few times. Obviously hard to read much into a friendly game but it wasn't good.
Shuffle Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 So want him to be a success but no where near a starter for me. Great at interacting with fans, so popular but bench at best for me but hope he comes good. Really sloppy tonight with distribution as was Flint.
JoeAman08 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Mags was poor tonight with the ball. Hegeler looked the much more advanced footballer tonight. Good news is with Wright and Baker and their aggressiveness the backups will get minutes
RedM Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 57 minutes ago, Shuffle said: So want him to be a success but no where near a starter for me. Great at interacting with fans, so popular but bench at best for me but hope he comes good. Really sloppy tonight with distribution as was Flint. Agreed. I am a huge Hordour fan but thought he looked very rusty tonight, which was surprising as he had International football in the summer. We weren't really tested by Twente so neither him or Flint had much to do but they both looked like their minds were elsewhere. Afterwards Mags said it was good to play but he felt tired, maybe mentally as much as physically. i was very surprised how good Hedgler was as a CB, and Pisano was outstanding I thought, a huge upgrade from Little.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, RedM said: Agreed. I am a huge Hordour fan but thought he looked very rusty tonight, which was surprising as he had International football in the summer. We weren't really tested by Twente so neither him or Flint had much to do but they both looked like their minds were elsewhere. Afterwards Mags said it was good to play but he felt tired, maybe mentally as much as physically. i was very surprised how good Hedgler was as a CB, and Pisano was outstanding I thought, a huge upgrade from Little. Very pleased to hear that. Can't wait for Saturday.
WSMRobin Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 For me, a cb's first job is to stop the ball going in the back of our net. Too much emphasis is put on the modern day ball playing cb, much like guardiola's obsession with a ball playing gk. How many times last season did we see HM bring the ball out of defence and provide an assist or defence splitting pass? Players of that nature are so rare which is why van dijk is so highly sought after. Within the current squad, I would have HM 4th choice cb behind Flint, Baker and Wright ( in that order)
BCFC11 Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 In my opinion from last night's showing Hegeler is no CB, if Flint is gone i'd of thought it will be Wright and Magnússon starting v Barnsley.
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Just one thing - if we ship out Scott Golbourne and then get a `can`t refuse` bid for Joe on August 31st (or he gets injured v Villa) who plays at LB?
eardun Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: Just one thing - if we ship out Scott Golbourne and then get a `can`t refuse` bid for Joe on August 31st (or he gets injured v Villa) who plays at LB? Kelly
Bowie Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 21 hours ago, Super said: Give it a rest with the love in. He has shown very little for me and if you saw him the other night you would understand why he isnt starting tonight. He really isnt that good. Them you have to question why he wasn't scouted properly and why we spent £2m on a player deemed 'really isn't that good'
downendcity Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 20 hours ago, Robin Ashton said: More importantly, who's Will Wright? Orville's brother.
Agard Days Night Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 7 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: Just one thing - if we ship out Scott Golbourne and then get a `can`t refuse` bid for Joe on August 31st (or he gets injured v Villa) who plays at LB? Either Magnússon or Lloyd Kelly I would guess. Hope Joe stays and makes that LB spot his own this season. Time for him to deliver some consistency now.
Norn Iron Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, downendcity said: Orville's brother. Can he fly?
Phileas Fogg Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said: Either Magnússon or Lloyd Kelly I would guess. Hope Joe stays and makes that LB spot his own this season. Time for him to deliver some consistency now. I'd be very surprised if Magnússon plays left back for us this season. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes. Assuming Flint leaves he's our 4th choice centre half at the moment I reckon.
Agard Days Night Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Would you throw Lloyd Kelly if the situation unfolded the way @Red Right Hand suggested? Can't see the other CB's playing LB which really just leaves Kelly if we rule out Magnússon (or if he leaves too).
Charlie BCFC Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 I wouldn't read last nights game in to anything for me I would start Mags over Hegeler any day of the week. If we do see Flint go I think Wright and Magnússon would be a great CB pairing for the Barnsley match.
downendcity Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 16 minutes ago, Norn Iron said: Can he fly? That's the one.
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said: Would you throw Lloyd Kelly if the situation unfolded the way @Red Right Hand suggested? Can't see the other CB's playing LB which really just leaves Kelly if we rule out Magnússon (or if he leaves too). My thoughts exactly. If it was a straight choice between Kelly and Magnússon I`d have to say I`d prefer Mags just so`s young Kelly doesn`t get thrown in at the deep end and perhaps has his confidence shot to pieces.
Davefevs Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 19 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said: Either Magnússon or Lloyd Kelly I would guess. Hope Joe stays and makes that LB spot his own this season. Time for him to deliver some consistency now. I think that we are about to see Joe Bryan have his best season - hope it is for us. Our full backs are going to be encouraged forward with Pack and Smith holding.
Norn Iron Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, downendcity said: That's the one. He's a duck then!
downendcity Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Just now, Norn Iron said: He's a duck then! No 1903 Kitty Hawk.
Phileas Fogg Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 21 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said: Would you throw Lloyd Kelly if the situation unfolded the way @Red Right Hand suggested? Can't see the other CB's playing LB which really just leaves Kelly if we rule out Magnússon (or if he leaves too). Haven't seen enough to judge. Last night was my first time watching him in his 30 min run out. The fact he was picked there ahead of Golbourne indicates to me he's the backup leftback. He's taller and stronger than I imagined.
Agard Days Night Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I think that we are about to see Joe Bryan have his best season - hope it is for us. Our full backs are going to be encouraged forward with Pack and Smith holding. I think this is going to be the season that Joe Bryan becomes an absolutely pivotal member of the team. With some big names moving on out of the dressing room he will be vital on and off the pitch.
Agard Days Night Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Just now, Phileas Fogg said: Haven't seen enough to judge. Last night was my first time watching him in his 30 min run out. The fact he was picked there ahead of Golbourne indicates to me he's the backup leftback. He's taller and stronger than I imagined. That's good to know. I would guess another established LB to come in perhaps? Or is there enough strength there with Bryan and Kelly. Hard to tell on a 30 min showing, as you say. Will be interesting to see how it goes.
Phileas Fogg Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said: That's good to know. I would guess another established LB to come in perhaps? Or is there enough strength there with Bryan and Kelly. Hard to tell on a 30 min showing, as you say. Will be interesting to see how it goes. I think we won't bring another one in and he'll be backup to Bryan. Just my gut feeling based on how long he came on for last night. Morrell and Hinds got 10 mins each which also indicates to me they're on the fringes - but won't see as much action as Kelly.
Agard Days Night Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Just now, Phileas Fogg said: I think we won't bring another one in and he'll be backup to Bryan. Just my gut feeling based on how long he came on for last night. Morrell and Hinds got 10 mins each which also indicates to me they're on the fringes - but won't see as much action as Kelly. No margin for error from Bryan this season then. As I've said above, think he will have a great season, just might be tight if he were to get injured long term.
The Bard Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Magnussen is one of a number of players who cost a lot of money, played well when we played well at the beginning of last season but then got rejected. Given he's played at a higher level under proper managers, my guess is he was perceived as a threat and has subsequently been sidelined. I expect him to be sold in August. He'll go somewhere else and be a success.
Londoner Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Hörður has been treated poorly by the management. And one of the few youngsters who are currently wasted. He will be a class act.
RedRoss Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 12 minutes ago, Londoner said: Hörður has been treated poorly by the management. And one of the few youngsters who are currently wasted. He will be a class act. Why has he been treated poorly by management? Because he was replaced by Bailey and we actually started defending. I think Mags is decent but surely after avoiding relegation replacing him was a good decision?
CotswoldRed Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 7 hours ago, RedRoss said: Why has he been treated poorly by management? Because he was replaced by Bailey and we actually started defending. I think Mags is decent but surely after avoiding relegation replacing him was a good decision? Wasn't it Mags who was left at home on his birthday while we were playing away? That seemed bloody odd for a start.
Agard Days Night Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 1 hour ago, CotswoldRed said: Wasn't it Mags who was left at home on his birthday while we were playing away? That seemed bloody odd for a start. I like having the day off on my birthday!
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 8 hours ago, RedRoss said: Why has he been treated poorly by management? Because he was replaced by Bailey and we actually started defending. I think Mags is decent but surely after avoiding relegation replacing him was a good decision? Agree with your last two paras (Think (IMHO) HM somewhat over rated on here at the moment (Has potential , and age on his side ,so time to develop and improve) Not sure that being the one named player to be publicly criticised post the debacle at Preston , despite being a substitute , went down too well though
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