Shuffle Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 I know it was a friendly but mom by a mile for me. Would be one of the first names on sheet for me but am I in the minority as yet again people are saying that he's not for them and always seems to have his critics. Not quick but he can play and wins his headers and were a better team with him in than out.
Phileas Fogg Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Totally agree. Ran the show for us tonight. Dictated tempo, lead by example, always available and calm in possession. Seems to play less 'Hollywood passes' now but still managed some exquisite longer balls directly into a runner's stride path. Looked absolutely quality tonight. Excited to see him against better opposition.
Negan Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Should say "for me" more.. good old Packy, hopefully he can add a few goals to his game this year!
redsquirrel Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 mine was pisano,solid and so cool.joe bryan had a good one too,some of his attacking play was brilliant.pack was good but i wouldnt mom him.i thought maybe harry rednapp was looking at jb the way he was playing, if not flinty
Red Army 75 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, Shuffle said: I know it was a friendly but mom by a mile for me. Would be one of the first names on sheet for me but am I in the minority as yet again people are saying that he's not for them and always seems to have his critics. Not quick but he can play and wins his headers and were a better team with him in than out. IMO . Marlon pack has been the most improved player at Bristol City.
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 A bit left field and not suggesting we suddenly play him there on Saturday but anyone see the potential for a very good centre back in Pack ? Decent in air , can tackle , and decent on the ball / distribution (Accept that going by tonight's reports we' may miss him in midfield)
David Brent Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: IMO . Marlon pack has been the most improved player at Bristol City. Not for me. He's always been a good player.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Probably get slated for this but he's a much better player under Johnson than he was before. Vastly underrated.
Red Army 75 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 1 minute ago, David Brent said: Not for me. He's always been a good player. Good shout. The thing I notice the most in his improvement. Is the time he creates for himself and his upper body strength has definitely improved. As u say always been a good player. But IMO he had stepped up quite s bit
Judda Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Marmite man isn't he! Some slate him. I like him but think we have better midfielders in Smith and Reid....
Judda Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 But would have him in with a mid three before anyone starts!
Toffee dog Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Not there tonight but think Pack is quality shame he has no pace.
Agard Days Night Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Always been a big fan of Pack. Pleased to see he's getting more positive reviews. Should be one of the first names on the team sheet most Saturdays IMO.
Phileas Fogg Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Toffee dog said: Not there tonight but think Pack is quality shame he has no pace. His footballing brain gives him that extra half yard that pace would.
Toffee dog Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Just now, Phileas Fogg said: His footballing brain gives him that extra half yard that pace would. Totally agree with you but with pace as well that would give him something else.
Davefevs Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Agree @Shuffle, first name on team sheet for me these days. Just needs to be a bit more influential / the driving force. Bit like Bagpuss and the mice, when Pack plays well, City do. Would like to see him get a bit further forward during general play, as well attack the ball from set pieces. Him and Pisano could be threats whilst attention directed to Flint (cough!), Baker, etc.
cityred exile Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 I like Marlon could not get tonight , however been to 4 of the friendlies and to be honest he put in 6/10 preformances in 2 of the games he had the captains arm band ahead of Korey !
RedM Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Toffee dog said: Totally agree with you but with pace as well that would give him something else. That something else would have him playing in the Premiership.
Toffee dog Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, RedM said: That something else would have him playing in the Premiership. Agree sadly that's what is missing but still a decent player at this level,.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 25 minutes ago, Toffee dog said: Not there tonight but think Pack is quality shame he has no pace. Busquets has no pace, doesn't stop him being class.
One BCFC Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Pack has gone under the radar for a while now, he has formed into a good championship midfielder and all our best performances coincide with him and Smith in the middle.
Toffee dog Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Busquets has no pace, doesn't stop him being class. So I assume your agreeing with me ?
BRISTOL86 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Toffee dog said: So I assume your agreeing with me ? I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I? Yes I probably am agreeing with you
Cider-Head23 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 The Pack haters need there heads testing... the bloke is class!
Whites Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 First name on the team sheet for me, been saying this for a while.
JasonM88 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said: A bit left field and not suggesting we suddenly play him there on Saturday but anyone see the potential for a very good centre back in Pack ? Decent in air , can tackle , and decent on the ball / distribution (Accept that going by tonight's reports we' may miss him in midfield) Far too good looking
downendcity Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 6 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: Busquets has no pace, doesn't stop him being class. Sherringham was the same. With players like this pundits say the first yard is in their head.
Gimme Shelton Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Glenn Hoddle and Trevor Brooking weren't exactly pacey.
Jack Dawe Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Pack, and Frankie, have both suffered a bit from starting here in that dismal period back in L1 under SO'D. First impressions, and all that (especially Frankie, with that head-fit dash from his area that cost us a goal on his debuut v Bradford). That Flint was also a part and starter in that shambles shows how far he has come and in part why many of us will be sorry to see him go (it's the "journey," people, like on them tv shows). Some of our more, er, intellectually "challenged" supporters - having identified Pack as a **** and the whipping boy in 2014 - are struggling not to see him as a **** and the whipping boy in 2017 whenever anything goes wrong.
cidered abroad Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 He's good enough if we are content with lower mid table in Championship. This also applies to Flint and maybe a couple more. But if we want to seriously challenge at the top, I think we need more than they can offer us.
AppyDAZE Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Been a Pack man from the start. Nothing much more to add. Not having this "he's so improved under Lee" stuff. He came in for the second half of the promotion season and was good straight away. If we ever decide he's not in our plans, you watch the interest from other clubs and you can't argue with that.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Been a Pack man from the start. Nothing much more to add. Not having this "he's so improved under Lee" stuff. He came in for the second half of the promotion season and was good straight away. If we ever decide he's not in our plans, you watch the interest from other clubs and you can't argue with that. You don't think he has improved under Lee? It wasn't a criticism of Pack - I liked him under Cotterill, just think he's getting better.
AppyDAZE Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Just now, BRISTOL86 said: You don't think he has improved under Lee? It wasn't a criticism of Pack - I liked him under Cotterill, just think he's getting better. No problem. I just don't think it's been a vast improvement. I always rated him.
AppyDAZE Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 PS not too worried about midfield.. I'm still a bit worried about goals to be honest. Diedhiou looked a physical unit who can hold the ball up, but i would like to push the boat out and buy another striker for some money. it may be the difference between staying up or not. my opinion of course
Red Army 87 Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: You don't think he has improved under Lee? It wasn't a criticism of Pack - I liked him under Cotterill, just think he's getting better. I think LJ gives him and smith more licence to make their own decisions and take the odd risk with a forward pass. His beautiful pass to Taylor ahead of the 2nd goal against QPR comes to mind straight away, almost from a centre back position. i don't think he had that much freedom under Cotts in the Championship.
HoldenBall Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 He has indifferent games, against Cheltenham he was slow, lethargic gave away possession countless times. In the second half when we came off we looked a different side. But then last night he was brilliant, replicating his form from August to October last season. But he is a lower level championship midfielder, he doesn't score, doesn't assist but breaks up the play well and recyles the ball effectively. I still think he could be replaced by a better midfielder though if we were to bring one in.
Phileas Fogg Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 33 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: He's good enough if we are content with lower mid table in Championship. This also applies to Flint and maybe a couple more. But if we want to seriously challenge at the top, I think we need more than they can offer us. Disagree. Based on last night's showing in isolation, that was a seriously top performance. Yes I know it was Pre-season, just one game, Twente poor etc.. I think Pack could play midfield for a few of the top teams in this league and he'd show his quality. Feel he benefits from playing with better players who move for the ball better. He's far better technically than Korey who's seen as untouchable on here. His height is also a great attribute and he wins a lot of headers. Pretty confident this season lots of our fans will appreciate his quality.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, Sergio Georgini said: He has indifferent games, against Cheltenham he was slow, lethargic gave away possession countless times. In the second half when we came off we looked a different side. But then last night he was brilliant, replicating his form from August to October last season. But he is a lower level championship midfielder, he doesn't score, doesn't assist but breaks up the play well and recyles the ball effectively. I still think he could be replaced by a better midfielder though if we were to bring one in. To be fair not many deep lying playmakers directly assist. They're normally contributing to phases of play too far away from the goal, but the chances still wouldn't come about if they weren't involved.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Disagree. Based on last night's showing in isolation, that was a seriously top performance. Yes I know it was Pre-season, just one game, Twente poor etc.. I think Pack could play midfield for a few of the top teams in this league and he'd show his quality. Feel he benefits from playing with better players who move for the ball better. He's far better technically than Korey who's seen as untouchable on here. His height is also a great attribute and he wins a lot of headers. Pretty confident this season lots of our fans will appreciate his quality. Interesting point about Korey as I'd replace him in the pairing long before I replaced Pack. For some reason City (and maybe wider English) fans just don't seem to appreciate a player like him. If he had zero skill and could only pass 2 yards sideways but ran himself stupid and got sent off three times a season throwing himself into supid tackles, everyone would love him!!
Atticus Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 I think Pack has been class recently. Really really been impressed.
CyderInACan Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Great player is Packy. And this thread and the general consensus that he's a championship quality player must be music to @Harry's ears as he always told me: judge me on Pack. Well played mate.
Phileas Fogg Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 33 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Interesting point about Korey as I'd replace him in the pairing long before I replaced Pack. For some reason City (and maybe wider English) fans just don't seem to appreciate a player like him. If he had zero skill and could only pass 2 yards sideways but ran himself stupid and got sent off three times a season throwing himself into supid tackles, everyone would love him!! Korey will have his great games but I feel he's overrated on here. Always looks very hurried in possession and his decision making isn't the best. Gave the ball away needlessly several times last night even with very little pressure on him. I agree about English fans generally. Fans here don't seem to appreciate patient football or patient footballers. Last night, a guy behind me was very annoyed that Brownhill chose to play a simple ball back to Fielding (and keep possession) rather than attempt a risky pass (probably with about a 40% likelihood of success) upfield to Pisano. It's a strange mentality and I think the England team will always struggle whilst we have it. Pack can hit the ball very well. Given the opportunity I fancy him to get a few more goals this season.
Rob k Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 11 hours ago, Judda said: Marmite man isn't he! Some slate him. I like him but think we have better midfielders in Smith and Reid.... No chance on earth that Smith is a better midfielder for me, I know I'm in a massive minority but I just don't get how Smith is so highly rated.
Phileas Fogg Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 23 minutes ago, Rob k said: No chance on earth that Smith is a better midfielder for me, I know I'm in a massive minority but I just don't get how Smith is so highly rated. I think it's similar to Ryan Kent. It's because he looks like he's affecting the game more than he actually is. Fans love players that look busy and put in a few hard tackles or look creative and have lots of nice touches and tricks.. even if statistically their output is poor.
Bristol_South_End Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, Neutral said: Did we sign him on a free? We paid Cheltenham compensation as he was OOC and under 24.
WECANDO Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Pack definately offers far more than Smith. Much better player. Prefer O'Neil to Smith. The former being more mobile, aggressive and doesn't give the ball away as much. But needs to stay fit.
Roger Red Hat Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 6 hours ago, downendcity said: Sherringham was the same. With players like this pundits say the first yard is in their head. In my case the back yard is in my head.
Jack Dawe Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: Korey will have his great games but I feel he's overrated on here. Always looks very hurried in possession and his decision making isn't the best. Gave the ball away needlessly several times last night even with very little pressure on him. I agree about English fans generally. Fans here don't seem to appreciate patient football or patient footballers. Last night, a guy behind me was very annoyed that Brownhill chose to play a simple ball back to Fielding (and keep possession) rather than attempt a risky pass (probably with about a 40% likelihood of success) upfield to Pisano. It's a strange mentality and I think the England team will always struggle whilst we have it. Pack can hit the ball very well. Given the opportunity I fancy him to get a few more goals this season. What did Frankie do with the ball?
Jack Dawe Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: Last night, a guy behind me was very annoyed that Brownhill chose to play a simple ball back to Fielding (and keep possession) rather than attempt a risky pass (probably with about a 40% likelihood of success) upfield to Pisano. It's a strange mentality and I think the England team will always struggle whilst we have it. Pack can hit the ball very well. Given the opportunity I fancy him to get a few more goals this season. 44 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: What did Frankie do with the ball? Come on Phileas, you haven't answered my question! Frankie booted the ball aimlessly down the pitch, giving one of our lot, at best, a 40% likelihood of keeping possession, didn't he (assuming it didn't sail out over the narrower touchline for a Twente throw in)? Like he very often does. We have seen this before. Often. Which might go some way to explaining much of the annoyance because if it is a choice between Brownhill (good with his feet) lobbing it forward or Frankie (betrer with his hands) you would choose Brownhill, him being more skilled with his feet. Now, if we get a new keeper with better feet, then .......
Phileas Fogg Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Jack Dawe said: What did Frankie do with the ball? I think he played it out to Hegeler actually but I see your point about Fielding overall. He barely had anything to do last night but a couple of his goal kicks weren't too bad and found Diedhiou pretty accurately. No idea if Ripley's distribution is a massive upgrade, but think it would need to be to suit our style of play.
Davefevs Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Jack Dawe said: Come on Phileas, you haven't answered my question! Frankie booted the ball aimlessly down the pitch, giving one of our lot, at best, a 40% likelihood of keeping possession, didn't he (assuming it didn't sail out over the narrower touchline for a Twente throw in)? Like he very often does. We have seen this before. Often. Which might go some way to explaining much of the annoyance because if it is a choice between Brownhill (good with his feet) lobbing it forward or Frankie (betrer with his hands) you would choose Brownhill, him being more skilled with his feet. Now, if we get a new keeper with better feet, then ....... Jack - answer me a couple of questions, please: 1) if Frankie was asked to kick the ball straight down the middle from a) goal-kicks, b) his hands or c) open play under zero pressure - do you think fans would have a different view of his kicking ability (as opposed to aiming for a 5 yard target on the left touchline, e.g. Bryan) 2) with the ball at his feet in open play do you think he is a) a competent kicker off either footbetter and b) better or worse than ROD?
Jack Dawe Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Jack - answer me a couple of questions, please: 1) if Frankie was asked to kick the ball straight down the middle from a) goal-kicks, b) his hands or c) open play under zero pressure - do you think fans would have a different view of his kicking ability (as opposed to aiming for a 5 yard target on the left touchline, e.g. Bryan) 2) with the ball at his feet in open play do you think he is a) a competent kicker off either footbetter and b) better or worse than ROD? I think Frank would've been a better keeper before they changed the back-pass law, Dave. Frank's a better keeper than RO'D I'd say. I can't remember what RO'D was like with his feet; last thing I remember him doing was parrying that shot to Đurić and giving us a lifeline.
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 One thing with R`OD was that he appeared to command his box better.
Admin Ian M Posted July 30, 2017 Admin Posted July 30, 2017 Thing I like most about Pack is his desire to fight for his place. Lost his place to Wade, fought back and finished the season as a regular. Lost his place to Gaz O'Neil, fought back to be a regular again. He seems to be a player that gets better as we raise the standard of our squad which is why I think he would actually fit in any team in this division and could even have a few Prem appearances by the time he hangs up his boots.
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