CheddarReds Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: I'd have that Lucy Bronze at right back in a heart beat/flat back four. Top top full back. Adam Matthews of last season or Lucia Roberta Tough (yes, Tough) Bronze? Bronzer every time. I'd fancy myself to do a better job than Adam Matthews last season mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 19 minutes ago, Cowshed said: When I completed a coaching course via the Somerset FA one of the tutors was a female Yeovil coach. Her skill level was above any of the eighteen males taking the course including ex conference and western league level. Skill is of course different to physicality, but it is a standard where females can excel. Its a tactic. The special ones teams prospered on less than 30% possession like England v Spain women. Sampsons tactics of introducing the ball into areas (the sides) are not so different. It is not lamping it back to front because they avoid Taylor playing on here own up top. The work going on at Grassroots football for women is huge ... And there is an award winning women's team in South Bristol. A lot is going on, its not huge. England's development in recent years have overtaken France etc ... Sorry England has neither the licensed coaches or facilities and that includes junior football for males. Our rapid growth has nearly overtaken a lot of these countries now ... Hardly. Female football in Bristol is growing but the leagues v male junior football are small and often consist of seven or eight teams only who have to travel greater distances than male counterparts to get games. I'm allowed to disagree mate, being part of it in Bristol I've seen the rise. In terms of leagues I agree however at adult level it's ever increasing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Quite a different skill set needed to coach girls/women than boys/men. I was amazed how different it was. Not saying it can't be done but not as simple as some may think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, The Horse With No Name said: I honestly believe it would be a division or two below that. If nothing else the standard of goalkeeping is parks football at best. US Womens team lost 5-0 to FC Dallas U15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 It's a completely different game, at any level. He may be a good coach in men's football but I don't think he could rely on his experience in women's football too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollywhyte Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, CheddarReds said: I'd be interested to hear what women have to say about the standard of womens football and the level it could reach compared to mens. Was recently speaking to a womens coach who seems to think the top womens players should be able to play in the prem So be interested to hear some thoughts When was 17 playing for an average local kids team we played against the Argyle ladies team at the time and beat them 18-0. One thing I always notice is how atrocious the goalkeeping standard is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, EmersonsRed said: US Womens team lost 5-0 to FC Dallas U15. https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/ Sorry, was 5-2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 We have a thread on homophobia, and now it seems we need one on sexism. Women's football is real football, just different. Just rejoice in that. Why is there is always some stupid desire to compare women's sport to men's sport? Some people clearly have issues with their own masculinity. At international level, the primary difference seems to be that in football, rugby and cricket, the women are more successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 The only comment I've seen which you could argue was too far was the 'real football' comment. Nothing wrong with comparing the sports. We aren't saying we hate women, they're bad at everything, get them in the kitchen. Surely part of the beauty of equality is being able to compare, contrast and appreciate the differences between each other (and sports) without being offended. Reality is if we never compared and discussed anything, especially because we thought we were making a problem out of nothing, society (and in this case, the sport) would stop moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 People don't half talk some nonsense about this. Apparently some bloke who can barely speak English is worth £6 million per year to manage England, but being successful managing women playing is like a different sport. Mark Sampson is perfectly capable of managing successfully but he will have a whole load of pressures on top of other coaches. Having said that, as manager of England he has had a number of advantages over the men's manager. Most of all he gets a lot of time with the players and you can see the results of that on the pitch. They know exactly what they are doing. There are significantly less games for women players. At the highest level this probably helps. The players aren't tired or jaded. I believe some of them are contracted to the FA as well as their clubs - their commitment is clear to see. One thing I found really interesting about how he approached this tournament was that he named the squad months in advance, citing that he would gain more by giving his players the security of knowing they were going rather than letting them battle it out for places. He felt this would allow training to be more focused on preparing for the main event rather than trying stuff out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 47 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: We have a thread on homophobia, and now it seems we need one on sexism. Women's football is real football, just different. Just rejoice in that. Why is there is always some stupid desire to compare women's sport to men's sport? Some people clearly have issues with their own masculinity. At international level, the primary difference seems to be that in football, rugby and cricket, the women are more successful. As I noted above it is the BBC that is running them together as though they are a single sport; ranking the manager with Alf Ramsey and the striker with Hurst and Lineker. People are rejecting those comparisons. If we weren't being force fed them then I would very much be saying good luck to them but as it is I'm fed up with hearing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Managing men is very different to managing girls. If they misbehave, you cant put en accross your knee and give em a good spanking - only joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 12 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Managing men is very different to managing girls. If they misbehave, you cant put en accross your knee and give em a good spanking - only joking. many a true word spoken in jest!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 hours ago, David Brent said: It's a completely different game, at any level. He may be a good coach in men's football but I don't think he could rely on his experience in women's football too much. It's football. Same skills required to manage pro teams. Knowledge of your players strengths and weaknesses. Tactical acumen both before and during matches, motivational skills and good interpersonal skills. Ability to manage your coaching team and the training schedule. Piece of piss................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Ultimately, it's down to the person. I think he'll have a better go of it than Clive Woodward, but Sampson might not want to get involved in the men's game. The pressure is different, the egos are different, and honestly the money might not be worth it when you add the intangibles into it. Most importantly, Mark Sampson is still very young, and he's accomplished quite a bit in the women's game. He'll still be younger than most coaches when his time with England is up, assuming they don't keep him for ages like the last coach. He'll have plenty of time to transition should be wish to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 It's one thing being able to handle women in a dressing room, but would he be able to handle men the same way?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 5 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: If serena or Venus Williams were any good at football...! Let's not forget Mrs May, leading from the top: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 hours ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: We have a thread on homophobia, and now it seems we need one on sexism. Women's football is real football, just different. Just rejoice in that. Why is there is always some stupid desire to compare women's sport to men's sport? Some people clearly have issues with their own masculinity. At international level, the primary difference seems to be that in football, rugby and cricket, the women are more successful. I think the issue is the reverse of people having issues with masculinity. Its more about people feeling the need to big up womens team sports and compare it to the mens game even when it is patently inferior as a spectacle. BBC being the arch culprit. The success of the womens teams mentioned above has bypassed most people, despite the media coverage given. Forget the gender and just watch the match - or don't as appears to be the case with the vast majority of the sporting public both men and women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Real nice guy when I reffed Bristol Academy a gent . Interesting debate . He will have his coaching badges so I think apart from the obvious differences he could do league football , totally different kettle of fish granted . He's a football man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 8 hours ago, The Horse With No Name said: I remember similar suggestions when England rugby won the World Cup. Clive Woodward is a top man manager, so must be a good shout to manage a football team. Southampton appointed him and found that he was awful, and he never managed again. I would suggest the same thing would happen with Sampson, as women's football is almost a different sport to League football. Woodward's role at Southampton has been vastly underestimated. In his brief spell as Academy Director he oversaw the first transformation of their academy programme, which as I'm sure everyone will agree, has been an enormous success. Wouldn't mind him being appointed to run our academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, Harry said: Woodward's role at Southampton has been vastly underestimated. In his brief spell as Academy Director he oversaw the first transformation of their academy programme, which as I'm sure everyone will agree, has been an enormous success. Wouldn't mind him being appointed to run our academy. I'm surprised Bristol Sport haven't got him in as a consultant. He has the perfect CV to oversee the sporting side of the 'concept'. Unparalleled success in one of the main 2 sports, experience in the other in development. Plus he was Charge d'affairs for the British Olympic team. Overseeing 21 different sports, ensuring they had what they needed to succeed. It's so obvious that he must have said no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 9 hours ago, The Bard said: It's so obvious that he must have said no... It's so obvious I bet it's never even been discussed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 20 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: True, but that wouldn't effect Sampson's ability to manage in men's football. It's the same game and where women lack in certain areas, that wouldn't be an issue. In fact, the women are probably technically better than many men's L1/L2 level players. that Lucy Bronzes skill level ??? Seen less skill playing for City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erithacus Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 The point of this thread is, I think, the question of: is a top manager in the women's game being capable of managing in the men's. Mark Sampson has had the benefit of much investment by the FA into the England set-up and has had plenty of support to do the job. Would he have the same in a job in the men's? Not sure he would, unless the FA was involved. Running a national side is not the same as a club side, let's not forget. The demands are rather different, necessarily. I suspect he will happily remains as England manager for a long time, given relative success. It he decides to move into men's football, he would have to recalibrate quite substantially. That said, he will have lots of experience at high level and he has plenty of badges - and I note the UEFA badges he has earned are not gender specific! Also, in a converse aspect, the Scottish women's manager, Shelley Kerr, took over the running at Lowlands League Stirling University's mens team, but will be taking over fromAnna Signeul soon. To sum up, Mark Sampson is no fool and has not fluked the success the Lionesses (and Bristol Academy) have achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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