cityred exile Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 watching the Leeds v Port Vale match , after some 30 mins of the action reporting that Luke Ayling is outstanding and running the show , Then goes on to say I know some people on here would expect me to say that ! Also on 3 occasions he kept saying that Leeds will be a real force when they get a "right sided center half " Is he trying to engineer a move for Flinty ?
Mendip City Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, cityred exile said: watching the Leeds v Port Vale match , after some 30 mins of the action reporting that Luke Ayling is outstanding and running the show , Then goes on to say I know some people on here would expect me to say that ! Also on 3 occasions he kept saying that Leeds will be a real force when they get a "right sided center half " Is he trying to engineer a move for Flinty ? Or maybe he just thinks that's what they need? Or maybe someone at Leeds has asked him about Flint... I mean they'd be mad not to look for a reference/opinion from Flint's former boss. Or maybe Flint wants/expects to go and has been consulting the man who brought the best spell of his career.... Nothing wrong with any of it.
Guest Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 All I have to say on SC is he delivered a double winning season within a year of us looking worse than relegation fodder; we were #$%&ing abject. That LJ run never tested my patience anything close to SC's predecessor did, who almost got me to pursue other passions. He really, really turned us around and did such a good job in it I doubt if I will see a more successful "short term" manager at the Gate. He got frankly shameful support after that double winning season when he needed it. I do not expect him to speak highly of this club (except for the fan base). If he is bitter, with damn good and justifiable reason imo. Look at Andre Grey today?! How sick must he feel and how bloody foolish should some in the boardroom feel? I have seen people suggesting Flint is a club legend; for me he isn't, the most recent one is Steve Cotterill. Even more so if he encourages for us a big bid for a player we clearly neither need, nor want.
redfieldred Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 23 minutes ago, 29AR said: All I have to say on SC is he delivered a double winning season within a year of us looking worse than relegation fodder; we were #$%&ing abject. That LJ run never tested my patience anything close to SC's predecessor did, who almost got me to pursue other passions. He really, really turned us around and did such a good job in it I doubt if I will see a more successful "short term" manager at the Gate. He got frankly shameful support after that double winning season when he needed it. I do not expect him to speak highly of this club (except for the fan base). If he is bitter, with damn good and justifiable reason imo. Look at Andre Grey today?! How sick must he feel and how bloody foolish should some in the boardroom feel? I have seen people suggesting Flint is a club legend; for me he isn't, the most recent one is Steve Cotterill. Even more so if he encourages for us a big bid for a player we clearly neither need, nor want. We were def heading down again with cotterill. Landsdown was right to and had to sack him. 4 wins in 26 matches.
Guest Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 Just now, redfieldred said: We were def heading down again with cotterill. Landsdown was right to and had to sack him. 4 wins in 26 matches. But that neither excuses nor justifies the tools he was given for the job in the Championship. The odds were stacked so it would be "right to sack him"; I'm not suggesting in a Machiavellian way. But lessons should have been learned. Maybe they have... our transfer policy is quite different now, no?
WolfOfWestStreet Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, redfieldred said: We were def heading down again with cotterill. Landsdown was right to and had to sack him. 4 wins in 26 matches. Don't go there. LJ had a similar run and wasn't removed, he managed to keep us up just, who knows if SC could have done the same. A lot of fans felt he deserved that chance more than what johnson did, but no point raking up old graves.
WolfOfWestStreet Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 38 minutes ago, 29AR said: All I have to say on SC is he delivered a double winning season within a year of us looking worse than relegation fodder; we were #$%&ing abject. That LJ run never tested my patience anything close to SC's predecessor did, who almost got me to pursue other passions. He really, really turned us around and did such a good job in it I doubt if I will see a more successful "short term" manager at the Gate. He got frankly shameful support after that double winning season when he needed it. I do not expect him to speak highly of this club (except for the fan base). If he is bitter, with damn good and justifiable reason imo. Look at Andre Grey today?! How sick must he feel and how bloody foolish should some in the boardroom feel? I have seen people suggesting Flint is a club legend; for me he isn't, the most recent one is Steve Cotterill. Even more so if he encourages for us a big bid for a player we clearly neither need, nor want. For what its worth, and we're definitely a minority group, i agree with every word.
allyolly Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 The SC era was definitely one of the strangest times in the many years I've watched city. I was at Bradford for the 6-0 promotion winning victory and thought he was in for the long haul for sure. To to go from double winning manager to not even being able to pick a full team including subs only a matter of months later is bizarre to say the least.
wendyredredrobin Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 I quite liked Cotts. Not sure how well he could have done with the support LJ has been given. Anyway, onward and upward. Hope LJ proves us all wrong this year and delivers a playoff finish. I do remember lots of chants of "Dicks out" in his first couple of seasons and he has been our best manager in history.
exAtyeoMax Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Saw SC on the screen in the Sports' Bar on Saturday…for a few seconds I forgot he wasn't our manager… Still miss him. Never mind. Onwards.
exAtyeoMax Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, RedDave said: Will he ever get a job again?! he turned down the Brum job with Harry
Lack of Action Man Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, RedDave said: Will he ever get a job again?! Cheltenham one day?
Guest Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, RedDave said: Will he ever get a job again?! Would be good to see him manage Burton or Cheltenham although the former have to probably get relegated for that to happen and the latter have to probably get promoted - SC is a very good lower league manager as proven with us and County
Super Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Find him really annoying to listen to on that programme.
123456789000 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 In the singing section on Saturday there were definitely a few people around me still singing 'Cotterill is our king' in the EIEIEIO chant instead of Johnson, myself included
kevthered Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 He was given the tools in league 1 and done the job ....Championship is a massive step which bless him he couldn't make...I have heard all sorts of stories of why he couldn't make it but I believe SL felt that he could not trust him and he got to cocky...Just my opinion
Spud55 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 10 hours ago, 29AR said: Look at Andre Grey today?! How sick must he feel and how bloody foolish should some in the boardroom feel? What that Grey never wanted to come here and chose to go to a much bigger club and end up in the Prem with Burnley? Unless you are advocating that we should have kidnapped him then i'm not sure what there is to regret, we tried to sign a player that was out of our league and strangely failed. The failing of support for Cotts in that summer was not having someone in place who could point out the fact that he was being an idiot with the players he was bidding for and wasting all of his time on unrealistic options meaning he ended up with sod all. He may as well have spent all summer bidding for Messi all the good it did. The failing on the clubs part was not having someone like Ashton on board who could take the list of players that Cotts wanted and gone for any potentially realistic options that may have been on the list of targets.
kevthered Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Spud55 said: What that Grey never wanted to come here and chose to go to a much bigger club and end up in the Prem with Burnley? Unless you are advocating that we should have kidnapped him then i'm not sure what there is to regret, we tried to sign a player that was out of our league and strangely failed. The failing of support for Cotts in that summer was not having someone in place who could point out the fact that he was being an idiot with the players he was bidding for and wasting all of his time on unrealistic options meaning he ended up with sod all. He may as well have spent all summer bidding for Messi all the good it did. The failing on the clubs part was not having someone like Ashton on board who could take the list of players that Cotts wanted and gone for any potentially realistic options that may have been on the list of targets. Ashton was in place i believe but Cotts wasn't happy about the way we were going
exAtyeoMax Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, kevthered said: He was given the tools in league 1 and done the job ....Championship is a massive step which bless him he couldn't make...I have heard all sorts of stories of why he couldn't make it but I believe SL felt that he could not trust him and he got to cocky...Just my opinion I think SL only saw SC as a short-term option to save us from relegation to league 2. SL said in his interview last season that he wanted a different kin of managerial setup when we got relegated from the Championship, which didn't suit the style of SC's management.
CyderInACan Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, exAtyeoMax said: Saw SC on the screen in the Sports' Bar on Saturday…for a few seconds I forgot he wasn't our manager… Still miss him. Never mind. Onwards. Was that during your longer than expected stint of babysitting!? Blame the bar staff (no change there!)
1bristolcity Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 9 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Don't go there. LJ had a similar run and wasn't removed, he managed to keep us up just, who knows if SC could have done the same. A lot of fans felt he deserved that chance more than what johnson did, but no point raking up old graves. And if some had had their way he would be a gonner, and we would not be top of the league and progressing nicely in all cup competions.
Portland Bill Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, RedDave said: Will he ever get a job again?! October this year I would imagine ( if he wants one? ), as that's the merry manager change over month!
Portland Bill Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 minute ago, 1bristolcity said: And if some had had their way he would be a gonner, and we would not be top of the league and progressing nicely in all cup competions. Crikey!
sodburyred Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: And if some had had their way he would be a gonner, and we would not be top of the league and progressing nicely in all cup competions. Didn't we start last season in similar form. We also started the season greatly under McCines.
Phileas Fogg Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 I have a theory that there's a section of our support who really warmed to Cotterill - and not at all to Johnson because of how they relate to him. This totally disregards the football aspect by the way, just the personalities. Cotterill spoke with a West Country accent (of sorts) he's a bit closer to what appears to be the average age at AG (45-55). Johnson, by comparison, may remind people of booksmart middle managers at work. Younger than them and full of fancy ideas and theories that they see as superfluous rubbish. People come to football to escape from work and much prefer us being managed be someone they could relate to more. Might be total rubbish but just one theory I have about a section of our support's preference.
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I have a theory that there's a group of people who really warmed to Cotterill - and not at all to Johnson because of how they relate to him. This totally disregards the football aspect by the way, just the personalities. Cotterill spoke with a West Country accent (of sorts) he's a bit closer to what appears to be the average age at AG (45-55). Johnson, by comparison, may remind people of booksmart middle managers at work. Younger than them and full of fancy ideas and theories that they see as superfluous rubbish. People come to football to escape from work and much prefer us being managed be someone they could relate to more. Might be total rubbish but just one theory I have about a section of our support's preference. I was just about to like this PF , and then came to the highlighted words I genuinely thought you were referring to Players rather than supporters !!!! Fits perfectly IMHO Good post & liked anyway
Guest Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I have a theory that there's a group of people who really warmed to Cotterill - and not at all to Johnson because of how they relate to him. This totally disregards the football aspect by the way, just the personalities. Cotterill spoke with a West Country accent (of sorts) he's a bit closer to what appears to be the average age at AG (45-55). Johnson, by comparison, may remind people of booksmart middle managers at work. Younger than them and full of fancy ideas and theories that they see as superfluous rubbish. People come to football to escape from work and much prefer us being managed be someone they could relate to more. Might be total rubbish but just one theory I have about a section of our support's preference. I'm like the Aldi advert - I like both.
Phileas Fogg Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I was just about to like this PF , and then came to the highlighted words I genuinely thought you were referring to Players rather than supporters !!!! Fits perfectly IMHO Good post & liked anyway Yeah meant the supporters but it could apply to the players too of course. Johnson said so himself in a way - admitted he had been 'over coaching' and for our run at the end just let them go out and play.
Phileas Fogg Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, 29AR said: I'm like the Aldi advert - I like both. Me too - would love to chat to both about football and the club. Would be fascinating.
exAtyeoMax Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 41 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: Was that during your longer than expected stint of babysitting!? Blame the bar staff (no change there!) Bless him! He's a little love. Shouting "Daddy" right across the SB… He won't be able to hear you, I say… Did he enjoy the game?
Carey 6 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 A comment I've seen an awful lot since Cotterill departure is that we were bidding for players way out of our league. Andre Gray at the time was at Brentford. Not some huge premier league club. I don't recall many on here at all (and please correct me if i am wrong) saying at the time how much of a stupid bid it was. I'll always love the bloke, and just like all of your pointless predictions that he would've taken us down. I reckon he'd have kept us up if given Tomlin/Odemwingie/Golbourne.
Guest Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Carey 6 said: A comment I've seen an awful lot since Cotterill departure is that we were bidding for players way out of our league. Andre Gray at the time was at Brentford. Not some huge premier league club. I don't recall many on here at all (and please correct me if i am wrong) saying at the time how much of a stupid bid it was. I'll always love the bloke, and just like all of your pointless predictions that he would've taken us down. I reckon he'd have kept us up if given Tomlin/Odemwingie/Golbourne. Grey and Maguire at least... They were clearly ready to join us. And it's funny isn't it - apparently the profile of Andre Grey was beyond us but fast forward 12m and a relegation battle and we can attract a player of Tomlin's profile?! If stature of the club was a big deal, I don't think you'd find Flint going to Birmingham.
Spud55 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: A comment I've seen an awful lot since Cotterill departure is that we were bidding for players way out of our league. Andre Gray at the time was at Brentford. Not some huge premier league club. I don't recall many on here at all (and please correct me if i am wrong) saying at the time how much of a stupid bid it was. I'll always love the bloke, and just like all of your pointless predictions that he would've taken us down. I reckon he'd have kept us up if given Tomlin/Odemwingie/Golbourne. Doesn't matter where Grey was, it matters who wanted him and what they wanted him for. Sometimes you will get a player who has interest from a bigger club as you can offer him football, whereas the bigger club can't. Burnley just relegated from the prem and others at the top wanted him as their main striker, he was never going to choose us over them. It would have been like us wasting all summer trying to get asombalonga and ignoring famara, when he would never choose us over boro.
1bristolcity Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 25 minutes ago, sodburyred said: Didn't we start last season in similar form. We also started the season greatly under McCines. But our goal difference wast vastly inferior, and we all knew where we were going with McCines McWinnless McDonalds what ever his name was. Nah! we are gonna walk this league, did you see how rubbish Villa were last night,? We are the new Barcelona, I'm telling you....
Carey 6 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Spud55 said: Doesn't matter where Grey was, it matters who wanted him and what they wanted him for. Sometimes you will get a player who has interest from a bigger club as you can offer him football, whereas the bigger club can't. Burnley just relegated from the prem and others at the top wanted him as their main striker, he was never going to choose us over them. It would have been like us wasting all summer trying to get asombalonga and ignoring famara, when he would never choose us over boro. At the time we had our bid accepted for Gray, various news outlets were reporting it was us and Hull interested, but only us who had actually made a bid. Nothing about the Burnley bid, so who's to say the club even knew Burnley were after him? Using this bid as a stick to beat Cotts with as many do, is ridiculous. He wasn't backed significantly enough in the transfer market to give us a real chance in the division, and that's pretty obvious when you've seen the money Johnson has been afforded.
Major Isewater Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: And if some had had their way he would be a gonner, and we would not be top of the league and progressing nicely in all cup competions. The first part of your sentence is fact the second part pure guesswork.
Spud55 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: At the time we had our bid accepted for Gray, various news outlets were reporting it was us and Hull interested, but only us who had actually made a bid. Nothing about the Burnley bid, so who's to say the club even knew Burnley were after him? Using this bid as a stick to beat Cotts with as many do, is ridiculous. He wasn't backed significantly enough in the transfer market to give us a real chance in the division, and that's pretty obvious when you've seen the money Johnson has been afforded. Bit bids for Grey and Gayle clearly show otherwise? the club were prepared for Cotts to spend 15 mill on 2 strikers, it's a strange world where that doesn't count as being backed in the transfer market considering that net that is around what Johnson has spent in 3 transfer windows. Johnson has been afforded the same backing, it's just we have moved for targets that we have been more successful in getting Cotts failed miserably in this aspect.
Carey 6 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Spud55 said: Bit bids for Grey and Gayle clearly show otherwise? the club were prepared for Cotts to spend 15 mill on 2 strikers, it's a strange world where that doesn't count as being backed in the transfer market considering that net that is around what Johnson has spent in 3 transfer windows. Johnson has been afforded the same backing, it's just we have moved for targets that we have been more successful in getting Cotts failed miserably in this aspect. We were after Gayle then we moved onto Gray. You cant add the both of those amounts together. The offers to sign these players was a hefty amount yes, but the wages we were prepared to offer them to get the deal over the line obviously wasn't. You saw how quickly Lansdown opened his chequebook as soon as Cotterill went with those January signings. We also spent millions in the summer pre Kodjia/Bolasie money anyway. To say Cotterill was afforded the same backing is laughable.
JBFC II Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: We were after Gayle then we moved onto Gray. You cant add the both of those amounts together. The offers to sign these players was a hefty amount yes, but the wages we were prepared to offer them to get the deal over the line obviously wasn't. You saw how quickly Lansdown opened his chequebook as soon as Cotterill went with those January signings. We also spent millions in the summer pre Kodjia/Bolasie money anyway. To say Cotterill was afforded the same backing is laughable. Lansdown only opened the chequebook because players like Tomlin, Odemwingie and Goldbourne wouldn't have fitted in Cotterills stubborn 3-5-2, I love the man for what he did in getting us to the championship but we would have certainly gone down if we'd kept him here, we were getting torn apart every week and that was because of his stubbornness in sticking to a formation that didn't work, no matter what players we used
Spud55 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Carey 6 said: We were after Gayle then we moved onto Gray. You cant add the both of those amounts together. The offers to sign these players was a hefty amount yes, but the wages we were prepared to offer them to get the deal over the line obviously wasn't. You saw how quickly Lansdown opened his chequebook as soon as Cotterill went with those January signings. We also spent millions in the summer pre Kodjia/Bolasie money anyway. To say Cotterill was afforded the same backing is laughable. And you think we pay top wages now? there is a reason we are getting young players or players who have a reason to accept non astronomical wages, Even Tomlin wasn't on mental wages as he's a basket case who cannot command massive wages. Wages are where we can't compete with other bigger clubs, hell we had a lower wage budget than Brentford in that season. How many players 9 million Bids have we put in since Cotts left? We have barely spent 1/2 of that on our current record signing, the support is the same as it's always been, come to me with names and we will look to get them, MA and LJ have gone to SL with multiple names that are achievable and we have got them. Cotts went with a list of players, we tried but couldn't get them. Just the same if LJ went to them and said I want Britt Asombalonga, we would have bid for him, but we wouldn't have got him, if we had arsed around all summer trying to get him and went into the season with Reid and Engvall as our only fit "strikers", would we have blamed the board for not backing him?
reddoh Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: We were after Gayle then we moved onto Gray. You cant add the both of those amounts together. The offers to sign these players was a hefty amount yes, but the wages we were prepared to offer them to get the deal over the line obviously wasn't. You saw how quickly Lansdown opened his chequebook as soon as Cotterill went with those January signings. We also spent millions in the summer pre Kodjia/Bolasie money anyway. To say Cotterill was afforded the same backing is laughable. Money moved on too, we will never know what went on. shall we just draw a line in the sand and get on with life?
old_eastender Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 29 minutes ago, Spud55 said: Bit bids for Grey and Gayle clearly show otherwise? the club were prepared for Cotts to spend 15 mill on 2 strikers, it's a strange world where that doesn't count as being backed in the transfer market considering that net that is around what Johnson has spent in 3 transfer windows. Johnson has been afforded the same backing, it's just we have moved for targets that we have been more successful in getting Cotts failed miserably in this aspect. Sorry what you say I think is tosh. It's been done to death on here before, but the story is that soon after end of Promotion season Cotts has targeted Gray & McGuire, had verbally agreed fees (only around £3.5m Gray and £2.5m McGuire) and wages. He then went off on holiday and Pelling, presumably with board's OK, thought we were paying over the odds and tried to renegotiate the deals, pi55ing off both players and Brentford / Hull. Hull then said they would not do business with us and Brentford said if you want Gray now the price has double to £7m. This is why people say Cotts was not backed.
chipdawg Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Cotts didn't get the backing he should have done, but then he refused to pick the players he was given to prove a point. Cotts just kept ploughing on with a formation that wasn't working and players who weren't performing. So while he certainly had one hand tied behind his back, it was his failure to use the free hand that ultimately got him sacked. The bloke gave us one of the great seasons, but he was as responsible for his own downfall as anyone else
Frenchay Red Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, old_eastender said: Sorry what you say I think is tosh. It's been done to death on here before, but the story is that soon after end of Promotion season Cotts has targeted Gray & McGuire, had verbally agreed fees (only around £3.5m Gray and £2.5m McGuire) and wages. He then went off on holiday and Pelling, presumably with board's OK, thought we were paying over the odds and tried to renegotiate the deals, pi55ing off both players and Brentford / Hull. Hull then said they would not do business with us and Brentford said if you want Gray now the price has double to £7m. This is why people say Cotts was not backed. Nail on head, though include the Lansdowns with Pelling's actions. Plus Cotts wanted to run things his way but SL was keen to get LJ in as he would have less power and less involvement in the financial side of players coming and going.
Spud55 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, old_eastender said: Sorry what you say I think is tosh. It's been done to death on here before, but the story is that soon after end of Promotion season Cotts has targeted Gray & McGuire, had verbally agreed fees (only around £3.5m Gray and £2.5m McGuire) and wages. He then went off on holiday and Pelling, presumably with board's OK, thought we were paying over the odds and tried to renegotiate the deals, pi55ing off both players and Brentford / Hull. Hull then said they would not do business with us and Brentford said if you want Gray now the price has double to £7m. This is why people say Cotts was not backed. Yes a story with no evidence to back it, (nothing was reported anywhere in the media about this initial "agreement") and Brentford put the price up again straight after did they? said it will cost us 7 mill oh no hang on make that 9 as that was the bid we had reportedly accepted? more likely 6 in the end as that is what Burnely paid, so they said double it and then take a bit off? I fail to believe that Brentofrd are so incompetent that they would undervalue their best player to the tune of 6 million quid but suddenly realise after we've messed them about, i'm sorry but if that is not total and blatant bollocks I don't know what is, also if that were the case and we'd ****** about Grey why did he talk to us? Surely if we'd messed him about he'd have just picked Burnley and not been on the verge of signing before opting for Burnley? Some people go on about not believing everything the club says and then go on to swallow complete and utter bollocks because it fits their thinking.
WolfOfWestStreet Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 2 hours ago, 1bristolcity said: And if some had had their way he would be a gonner, and we would not be top of the league and progressing nicely in all cup competions. Blimey thats a hard on of a statement, If this was December I'd join you in the johnson love in, but as its August i'll wait at little bit longer as i dont even have a semi on yet.
JoeAman08 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 36 minutes ago, Spud55 said: Yes a story with no evidence to back it, (nothing was reported anywhere in the media about this initial "agreement") and Brentford put the price up again straight after did they? said it will cost us 7 mill oh no hang on make that 9 as that was the bid we had reportedly accepted? more likely 6 in the end as that is what Burnely paid, so they said double it and then take a bit off? I fail to believe that Brentofrd are so incompetent that they would undervalue their best player to the tune of 6 million quid but suddenly realise after we've messed them about, i'm sorry but if that is not total and blatant bollocks I don't know what is, also if that were the case and we'd ****** about Grey why did he talk to us? Surely if we'd messed him about he'd have just picked Burnley and not been on the verge of signing before opting for Burnley? Some people go on about not believing everything the club says and then go on to swallow complete and utter bollocks because it fits their thinking. Exactly my thoughts. No way in hell did Brentford value Gray at 3.5m and Hull had only bought Maguire for the same fee a year earlier and clearly was one for the future as he would've had to go from L1 to the premier league at 21 years old or so. The Maguire one I think was always derisory and Gray I think we got the fee but couldn't offer the same wages or opportunity to go to the premier league. Plus Gray would've been leaving a team that had just been in the playoffs for a team that was just promoted. Would've been a sideways step at best. There is no doubt LJ has been backed but a lot of that is spending a lot more astutely. There are a few gambles but the squad had to be filled out as SC left it bare. Remember he let Cunningham go. He didn't offer Wade a new deal to help us in the new league. He didn't help himself too much is what I mean by this. Great time he gave us but he put himself in the position to be sacked. Ok, SL a lot more patient with LJ but probably has a lot to do with LJ doing the things behind the scences to help progress the club like working on the academy and trying to better young players which I don't think was ever on SC's agenda.
petehinton Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Spud55 said: What that Grey never wanted to come here and chose to go to a much bigger club and end up in the Prem with Burnley? Unless you are advocating that we should have kidnapped him then i'm not sure what there is to regret, we tried to sign a player that was out of our league and strangely failed. The failing of support for Cotts in that summer was not having someone in place who could point out the fact that he was being an idiot with the players he was bidding for and wasting all of his time on unrealistic options meaning he ended up with sod all. He may as well have spent all summer bidding for Messi all the good it did. The failing on the clubs part was not having someone like Ashton on board who could take the list of players that Cotts wanted and gone for any potentially realistic options that may have been on the list of targets. This has been done to death but for anyone who knows what happened that summer knows how badly the coaching/team management staff were ****** off by personnel in charge of 'securing' recruitment targets
Kid in the Riot Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 28 minutes ago, petehinton said: This has been done to death but for anyone who knows what happened that summer knows how badly the coaching/team management staff were ****** off by personnel in charge of 'securing' recruitment targets Quite. Gray was agreed by SC in principle (fee £4m from memory) and wages also agreed early in the summer. But some at the club thought they knew better and wouldn't sanction the signing until other options had been looked at. I think once SC realised he wasn't in charge of signing players things were only going to go one way. At least they have a head coach in charge now who doesn't mind players being signed for him and hey, if that model works best for us (and I suspect with the Lansdowns in charge it is the only model that will work with any longevity) then great.
Spud55 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: This has been done to death but for anyone who knows what happened that summer knows how badly the coaching/team management staff were ****** off by personnel in charge of 'securing' recruitment targets Of course they were upset, as they got sod all of them, but how much of that was down to the club and how much was down to putting unrealistic targets (or simply too few targets) meaning when they fell through we had little to fall back on. You can guarantee that we did not get all of our first choice signings this summer, but we most likely had a solid list of recruitment targets and simply adopted a next one up policy. As I said this was a failing on the clubs part as well as clearly there were not enough targets identified or the targets were out of reach and someone like MA should have been in place to either tell SC to lower his expectations or ensure there was a solid list that would ensure that we would recruit the right players even if we did miss out on our first targets. That summer was clearly the reason we went out and got MA back, as it was successful the previous summer when working with SC to recruit players, and without him there it all went to shit. To say that Cotts wasn't backed is just simply bollocks, as the money was there in terms of transfer fees, just as to say that the club didn't make mistakes in that summer is also total bollocks and was identified and rectified by getting MA in as COO. That whole summer was a total cluster**** but to absolve either the club or SC from blame is just stupid.
havanatopia Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Pelling should have been pelted was the phrase I heard. I think Cotts might have agreed. Either way, that summer was the downfall of both moresthepity of the latter in my opinion.
CyderInACan Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 3 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said: Bless him! He's a little love. Shouting "Daddy" right across the SB… He won't be able to hear you, I say… Did he enjoy the game? Yes he did thanks, although how much of that was just the football is debatable! Great result!
shelts Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Never known a manager so successful divide opinion among his own supporters . I wonder why ?
Phileas Fogg Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, shelts said: Never known a manager so successful divide opinion among his own supporters . I wonder why ? That's a good question, you're right. I guess because we had two polar opposites - amazing form with massive and absolutely horrendous form where we looked doomed. If Johnson achieves success with us, he'll be remembered in the same way.
shelts Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: That's a good question, you're right. I guess because we had two polar opposites - amazing form with massive and absolutely horrendous form where we looked doomed. If Johnson achieves success with us, he'll be remembered in the same way. I would like to think so , but ain't sure about how loved LJ will be , he will have to take us into the Premiership!!
Xiled Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 How many of our U23 or U21 players made it into Cotterill's squads? The promotion season showed he was only interested in working with the smallest, tightest group of players. That wasn't sustainable especially when the following season he refused to name a full bench. What message did that send to the academy? Great manager for that one glorious season but sadly not "one for the future".
Phileas Fogg Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, shelts said: I would like to think so , but ain't sure about how loved LJ will be , he will have to take us into the Premiership!! Well yes, I did say 'if he achieves success'. He'd have to get promotion and have a good cup run (quarter finals onwards) to be seen as a success by some.
1bristolcity Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 6 hours ago, Major Isewater said: The first part of your sentence is fact the second part pure guesswork. No, the second part is fact, but strange how some can't see that was tongue in cheek.
RedEyez Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Have been intruged to know since the end of last season whether LJ and Cotts shook hands at the beginning/end of the game or did LJ blank him again?
Phileas Fogg Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 39 minutes ago, LeeTomlin10 said: Have been intruged to know since the end of last season whether LJ and Cotts shook hands at the beginning/end of the game or did LJ blank him again? Don't think he ever blanked him, was a bit of a myth that came about from unfortunate camera work.
Northern Red Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Well yes, I did say 'if he achieves success'. He'd have to get promotion and have a good cup run (quarter finals onwards) to be seen as a success by some. He could deliver on his 'Europa League in 5 years' statement, and there'd still be people who didn't rate him.
Phileas Fogg Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Northern Red said: He could deliver on his 'Europa League in 5 years' statement, and there'd still be people who didn't rate him. That's true unfortunately. People take it all a bit too seriously, I didn't really want Cotterill here but now I think he's great.
RumRed Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Northern Red said: He could deliver on his 'Europa League in 5 years' statement, and there'd still be people who didn't rate him. Let's just see whether people come around when he's proved something? The myth of people never trusting LJ or not wanting him to succeed is beginning to get a little grating. I for one am a quite happy to be proved wrong, maybe this season? Can only hope.
JackofromSanJavier Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 8 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: I have a theory that there's a section of our support who really warmed to Cotterill - and not at all to Johnson because of how they relate to him. This totally disregards the football aspect by the way, just the personalities. Cotterill spoke with a West Country accent (of sorts) he's a bit closer to what appears to be the average age at AG (45-55). Johnson, by comparison, may remind people of booksmart middle managers at work. Younger than them and full of fancy ideas and theories that they see as superfluous rubbish. People come to football to escape from work and much prefer us being managed be someone they could relate to more. Might be total rubbish but just one theory I have about a section of our support's preference. Crikey, Phileas....... that's a helluva insight. Top marks, fella. I suspect that you're a psychologist in real life (or a closet one in your spare time). That's the sort of work I get handsomely paid for in my professional time, when I can be arsed. However, I fear that if we ever met up for a pre-match pint, you'd have me marked down as a mad axe murderer in no time at all!! Keep up the good work
exAtyeoMax Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Don't think he ever blanked him, was a bit of a myth that came about from unfortunate camera work. oh I don't know…I think he blanked him. Cotts was offering to shake his hand and LJ walked round the back of him (or the person in-between) to avoid him. Naughty
Davefevs Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 8 hours ago, JBFC II said: Lansdown only opened the chequebook because players like Tomlin, Odemwingie and Goldbourne wouldn't have fitted in Cotterills stubborn 3-5-2, I love the man for what he did in getting us to the championship but we would have certainly gone down if we'd kept him here, we were getting torn apart every week and that was because of his stubbornness in sticking to a formation that didn't work, no matter what players we used Think Tomlin would have been ideal in the 5212 we played. Freeman didn't cut it there, but Tomlin might have been excellent. Odemwingie might've played alongside Kodjia, with Tomlin in behind. Agree SG wouldn't have been a good LWB.
RumRed Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 59 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: oh I don't know…I think he blanked him. Cotts was offering to shake his hand and LJ walked round the back of him (or the person in-between) to avoid him. Naughty They'd shaken hands before the cameras rolled apparently, nothing in this imo.
exAtyeoMax Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, RumRed said: They'd shaken hands before the cameras rolled apparently, nothing in this imo. why not just shake hands?
Phileas Fogg Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, jackofromrugby said: Crikey, Phileas....... that's a helluva insight. Top marks, fella. I suspect that you're a psychologist in real life (or a closet one in your spare time). That's the sort of work I get handsomely paid for in my professional time, when I can be arsed. However, I fear that if we ever met up for a pre-match pint, you'd have me marked down as a mad axe murderer in no time at all!! Keep up the good work Haha thanks! Just what I picked up from here/social media/talking to people. People just like football to be as it was intended - fun, an escape from 'real life' and a release. Hence all the disdain towards Ashton's buzzwords and scorn towards LJ's PowerPoint presentation. Too much like work, too much like managers at work, not how it 'should be'. Might be totally wrong of course, just my take!
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