Port Said Red Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 So according to the main site, there is some doubt over Bryan's fitness for Saturday. This is not a "he's on his way thread" though, I was wondering who people think would be the better replacement. Maggers or Kelly seem to be the options, Golbourne doesn't appear to be in the Managers plans, so I think it's down to those two. I keep seeing people saying how impressed they are with Kelly, do those same people think he is ready to start?
RUSSEL85 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 I hope his injury is coincidence, would be gutted if he did leave. I never know what to believe about injuries when there is ongoing speculation regarding transfers.
wendyredredrobin Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Probably the experience of maggs against brum.Its not going to be an easy game. Kelly qill get other chances.
Carey 6 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 I think away from home, Magnússon should start there. Kelly looks impressive on the small amount of minutes I've seen him play, but feel Magnússon would make us a bit more solid. I'd rather have Golbourne out there than both though.
Port Said Red Posted August 10, 2017 Author Posted August 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: I think away from home, Magnússon should start there. Kelly looks impressive on the small amount of minutes I've seen him play, but feel Magnússon would make us a bit more solid. I'd rather have Golbourne out there than both though. I had almost forgotten Golbourne when I wrote the OP, he does seem to be out in the cold, I would be very surprised if he doesn't move on this window. I like him, he's reliable, but he's not going to move us forward.
A Horse With No Name Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 I know you said it's not a Bryan's going thread and I appreciate that. However, when the club say a player has a knock and can't play, it often means something else. In Joe's case it is probably a combination of not letting Birmingham have a close up view of how well he's playing with respect to another offer coming in, which we don't want, or, should he actually be close to signing for them, as is Flint, his mind may not be 100% focussed on beating his new employers. Or, he may just be injured.
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: So according to the main site, there is some doubt over Bryan's fitness for Saturday. This is not a "he's on his way thread" though, I was wondering who people think would be the better replacement. Maggers or Kelly seem to be the options, Golbourne doesn't appear to be in the Managers plans, so I think it's down to those two. I keep seeing people saying how impressed they are with Kelly, do those same people think he is ready to start? Surely it's down to who's doesn't refuse? I'd love to see Kelly but overall Mags has more experience. Hope that Joe makes it because Birmingham may want to prove a point and we need our best at their best to overturn a bad run at their place..
Port Said Red Posted August 10, 2017 Author Posted August 10, 2017 1 minute ago, The Horse With No Name said: I know you said it's not a Bryan's going thread and I appreciate that. However, when the club say a player has a knock and can't play, it often means something else. In Joe's case it is probably a combination of not letting Birmingham have a close up view of how well he's playing with respect to another offer coming in, which we don't want, or, should he actually be close to signing for them, as is Flint, his mind may not be 100% focussed on beating his new employers. Or, he may just be injured. If Joe leaves, and I think that's a huge if, there is no way he's going anywhere than up the scale somewhere, that is not Birmingham in my opinion. Back on topic 60/450 LJ said and he has 2 days to recover, I think he will play personally.
Lrrr Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Away from home I'd say Mags as I doubt our full backs will look to get forward as much.
Reg Hill Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Joe has been seen at David Lloyd a couple of times this week. Usually a sign that an injury needs rest from training and some rest/ rehab in the pool etc.
RUSSEL85 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 29 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: If Joe leaves, and I think that's a huge if, there is no way he's going anywhere than up the scale somewhere, that is not Birmingham in my opinion. Back on topic 60/450 LJ said and he has 2 days to recover, I think he will play personally. 60/450? Dont like those odds!
Lrrr Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 24 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said: 60/450? Dont like those odds! Or if it's in terms of odds it would be a 2/15 odds of playing which I'd say is pretty good
Admin Phantom Posted August 10, 2017 Admin Posted August 10, 2017 50 minutes ago, Reg Hill said: Joe has been seen at David Lloyd a couple of times this week. Usually a sign that an injury needs rest from training and some rest/ rehab in the pool etc. Glad to hear - was hoping it wasn't a deal with Brum not to play against them before signing him too !
Eddie Notgetinya Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said: So according to the main site, there is some doubt over Bryan's fitness for Saturday. This is not a "he's on his way thread" though, I was wondering who people think would be the better replacement. Maggers or Kelly seem to be the options, Golbourne doesn't appear to be in the Managers plans, so I think it's down to those two. I keep seeing people saying how impressed they are with Kelly, do those same people think he is ready to start? Opened this thinking 'Who the hell is Bryan Knock!!?'
JoeAman08 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Go back 3 with Wright Hegeler Baker. WB Pisano and O'Dowda. Brownhill Pack Smith midfield and Reid and Diedhiou up front. If it's only for one game I don't see why it couldn't work. Just weighing up whether better to stay back 4 but have Mags who won't offer the same attacking play from LB or keeping a similar attack but not having the extra midfielder.
Simon79 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Personally would keep it as it was, with Kelly coming in for Bryan if he is out. Never been a fan of making a few changes when one is all that is needed. Especially with our form moving into this game. The fullbacks are a big part of how we have played during the first two games. I would also say Kelly is more like Bryan than Magnússon is. My personal opinion is that Magnússon is as much as a fullback as Derick Williams was, a stop gap at best. I would also say that this game would be less of a pressure game potentially than one later in the season for Kelly to make his debut. COYR
Buckeyed Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 59 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Thought this was a new signing thread . I've been looking on youtube for videos of Bryan Knock.. not a single one so he must be really rubbish!! Boooooooooooo!!
BRISTOL86 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Mags ain't a fullback. Give Kelly a shot. He looked sharp pre season.
BCFC Grim Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 It has to be Kelly. Our full backs bombing on seems the way we are looking to play and Magnússon isn't going to do that. Hopefully it's just a few mind games and he'll be available.
old_eastender Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Kelly for me has looked very impressive the little I have seen of him, not convinced by Hörður at LB (I know he plays there for Iceland). However, best option is Bryan is fully fit to play.
Xspence Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Saw Kelly against Manor Farm and briefly against Plymouth (can't remember if he played against Yeovil?!). I think he looks excellent but at Birmingham I would probably go with Mags if Bryan not fit. He looked solid enough on Tuesday and a tough place for Kelly to make league debut. Bryan can't go yet. I think he is huge for us this season and don't think we have a replacement there. Golbourne played for under 23s on Monday instead of Kelly (rather than be in tuesdays match day squad). Surely that means his time is up with us. Good guy and comes across as decent pro, just not good enough for us anymore. Would love to see him get a good league one club and go with the clubs best wishes
OldlandReddies Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Kelly for me. More mobile than Magners and has looked impressive each time called upon. Think JB will be ok though.
Davefevs Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 7 hours ago, JoeAman08 said: Go back 3 with Wright Hegeler Baker. WB Pisano and O'Dowda. Brownhill Pack Smith midfield and Reid and Diedhiou up front. If it's only for one game I don't see why it couldn't work. Just weighing up whether better to stay back 4 but have Mags who won't offer the same attacking play from LB or keeping a similar attack but not having the extra midfielder. No, Joe. We've gone 442 all pre-season. Baker has played LB, but not suggesting that. Magnússon for me, although I didn't think he played that great on Tuesday. Personally, I think Joe will be fit though. I was impressed by Kelly first time I saw him v Brislington, but would prefer to not expose him to a tough away game yet, he's only played a few minutes of first team football. Would be up against decent pedigree Championship midfielders in David Davis, or Maghoma (if they swap) based on last Saturday's line-up. Maghoma is a player who I think would fit in here. Be interesting to see how our chosen central defensive partnership deal with Adams and Donaldson. Big decisions for LJ
JoeAman08 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: No, Joe. We've gone 442 all pre-season. Baker has played LB, but not suggesting that. Magnússon for me, although I didn't think he played that great on Tuesday. Personally, I think Joe will be fit though. I was impressed by Kelly first time I saw him v Brislington, but would prefer to not expose him to a tough away game yet, he's only played a few minutes of first team football. Would be up against decent pedigree Championship midfielders in David Davis, or Maghoma (if they swap) based on last Saturday's line-up. Maghoma is a player who I think would fit in here. Be interesting to see how our chosen central defensive partnership deal with Adams and Donaldson. Big decisions for LJ Indeed we have but it's a narrow 442 that gets most the width from the fullbacks. 532 is similar you just lose a midfielder and gain a CB(who could also probably step forward a bit in a back 3). I think it would be seamless for one game. Also I think it would be naive to think we haven't worked on it somewhat in training. If Joe is fit then no problems but if not I'm not sure Mags is up to the task of what LJ wants in a fullback. I think it would be more of a style change having him there than it would back 3 for me. To be honest I'd probably go Kelly over Mags in a 442. Didn't do anything wrong on Tuesday but even against poor opposition didn't look to get forward at all really. Think it shows how vital Joe really is.
Davefevs Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Indeed we have but it's a narrow 442 that gets most the width from the fullbacks. 532 is similar you just lose a midfielder and gain a CB(who could also probably step forward a bit in a back 3). I think it would be seamless for one game. Also I think it would be naive to think we haven't worked on it somewhat in training. If Joe is fit then no problems but if not I'm not sure Mags is up to the task of what LJ wants in a fullback. I think it would be more of a style change having him there than it would back 3 for me. To be honest I'd probably go Kelly over Mags in a 442. Didn't do anything wrong on Tuesday but even against poor opposition didn't look to get forward at all really. Think it shows how vital Joe really is. 532 or 352? I think both of these formations are very different to 442...but I'm sure you know me by now to know I'm not big on formations being a factor in whether it's attacking or not, but I don't think that's what we are talking about in this topic. What you suggest sounds so simple! Seamless? Not convinced. Joe Bryan (possibly Kelly) is our only natural wingback, and he's the player we are missing to accommodate your one-off formation. I'm sure we've worked on different 'systems and styles' in training, but we haven't seen it in pre-season, or the two games so far. I don't think we will want to be so expansive away from home this Saturday, so expect our full-backs to be a little more reigned in, so that suits Magnússon and the way I'm led to believe he's played in that position nationally. But what do I know? I do know that predicted LJ's line-up for the game v Barnsley - which is once more than I achieved all last season!
JoeAman08 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: 532 or 352? I think both of these formations are very different to 442...but I'm sure you know me by now to know I'm not big on formations being a factor in whether it's attacking or not, but I don't think that's what we are talking about in this topic. What you suggest sounds so simple! Seamless? Not convinced. Joe Bryan (possibly Kelly) is our only natural wingback, and he's the player we are missing to accommodate your one-off formation. I'm sure we've worked on different 'systems and styles' in training, but we haven't seen it in pre-season, or the two games so far. I don't think we will want to be so expansive away from home this Saturday, so expect our full-backs to be a little more reigned in, so that suits Magnússon and the way I'm led to believe he's played in that position nationally. But what do I know? I do know that predicted LJ's line-up for the game v Barnsley - which is once more than I achieved all last season! 352 and 523 are the same to me. You have wingers or wingbacks that need to do a lot of running and 3 CBs. 3 central midfielders and 2 strikers. As for who would play wingback it would be Callum O'Dowda. Not a natural defender but can do a job and would have Baker and Wright(the central organiser) helping him out. He has the natural feel for playing out wide and has the work rate to pull it off in a one off game imo. Could even start Diedhiou on his own if you wanted the extra central midfield player like we do in the 442. It still comes down to Mags not really for me fitting into that wingback type role in a 4. If Joe was to miss May just have to throw kelly into it. Rough environment to do that in but a more natural forward player by the looks of him.
redsquirrel Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 when asked why they didnt play tuesday, didnt jamie mac say hed been rested and would play saturday whereas flint was withdrawn. i dont think joe will go anywhere just yet ,hope not anyway unless its up a league,id be more than happy to see him get a chance at southampton or bournemouth. this could be a massive year for him and bobby reid, confidence is /was a huge factor in how they perform,lets hope it stays up this year.
Davefevs Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: 352 and 523 are the same to me. Agree You have wingers or wingbacks that need to do a lot of running and 3 CBs. 3 central midfielders and 2 strikers. As for who would play wingback it would be Callum O'Dowda. Not a natural defender but can do a job and would have Baker and Wright(the central organiser) helping him out. He has the natural feel for playing out wide and has the work rate to pull it off in a one off game imo. Or have an absolute 'mare. You are guessing though. Playing out wide (LW/LM) and playing LB or LWB are very different. Some players can of course bridge the differences. Could even start Diedhiou on his own if you wanted the extra central midfield player like we do in the 442. No, I just want 442, like we've done since April It still comes down to Mags not really for me fitting into that wingback type role in a 4. What do you mean "wingback role in a 4"? Do you just mean overlapping when he gets the chance. If Joe was to miss May just have to throw kelly into it. We have better options than just "throwing Kelly" into it. Rough environment to do that in but a more natural forward player by the looks of him. Admire you thinking that we will play so expansively away from home. Can imagine LJ asking his full-backs (inc Bryan if fit) to "stay at home" in the opening 15-20 minutes. You've not convinced me that Kelly, O'Dowda or 532 is the right thing for Brum away. Feel free to use the "bin icon" on this post on Saturday at 14:00 when the team is announced.
JoeAman08 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 8 hours ago, Davefevs said: Fair enough Dave. Basically just don't like our options after Joe at the moment. Or don't trust them to do as good a job at the moment. Think O'Dowda would be the most natural fit for LWB outside of Joe why I went for him. Similar to Victor Moses playing WB for Chelsea. Not ever played it but had attributes that could make him successful there if need be. Think our fullbacks play more like wingbacks from what I've seen so far. Very high up the pitch and an integral part of the attack similar to a wingback in a 3. It is more of what fullbacks do these days but I've never known ours to do this effectively. Scares me a bit that our backup for Pisano and Bryan are two very young players who aren't quite the attacking threat. One major injury could really see us have to change our game plan.
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