Guest OCRed Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Baker if fit and Hegler to start impressed. with Hegler at the back and his distribution
... Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 1 minute ago, OCRed said: Baker if fit and Hegler to start impressed. with Hegler at the back and his distribution Recon LJ will pick a full eleven. tfj
Port Said Red Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Can't see Bailey Wright being dropped, I would imagine it will be Baker away from home and against Clayton Donaldson.
Selred Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Hegler won't have the legs for a third game in a week in my opinion. Would go for Baker and Wright.
GrahamC Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Wright is the certainty, our captain and given a well needed rest midweek. I'd pick Baker myself but won't be shocked if it is Hegeler.
Cider Queen Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Depends if Baker is fit.. Hobbled off on Tuesday. Wright and Baker/Hegeler for me.. Although I would say Hegeler would be unlucky to be dropped
Gazred Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Hegeler is not really what you could call a natural centre back. Useful to have there for his obvious attributes but I wouldn't expect any Wright, Flint or Baker like performances from him.
Nibor Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Baker and Wright. Hegeler on the bench. He's a good player but his positioning as a defender isn't great, that will be more important than bringing the ball out with class away from home against a side that will be better than Barnsley and Plymouth.
shelts Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Baker in . Hegler out. Not a lover of Wright but as Captain he won't be dropped this early in the season
EnclosureSurge Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 20 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Can't see Bailey Wright being dropped, I would imagine it will be Baker away from home and against Clayton Donaldson. Ha! Like last time 'Bakes' went there to mark ol' Clayton. Sept the something, Clayton hadn't hit a barn door by that point. Come 4.45 and he'd bagged a hat-trick. People will tell me 'Bakes' has learnt since then, didn't get carded under Johnson, played 35 times last season to gain Champ experience, grown an ever more impressive beard since he was last with us etc etc. Well, let's see (apart from the last point - that's undeniable). I agree that he's a better bet than 'Hegs' for 'tough' away games, but I'm just not sure he's good enough full stop. I'm happy to be proved wrong (over the remaining 45 games, please - no snidey posts tomorrow at 5pm when we've kept a clean sheet).
Selred Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, EnclosureSurge said: Ha! Like last time 'Bakes' went there to mark ol' Clayton. Sep the something, Clayton hadn't hit a barn door by that point. Come 4.45 and he'd bagged a hat-trick. People will tell me 'Bakes' has learnt since then, didn't get carded under Johnson, played 35 times last season to gain Champ experience, grown an ever more impressive beard since he was last with us etc etc. Well, let's see (apart from the last point - that's undeniable). I agree that he's a better bet than 'Hegs' for 'tough' away games, but I'm just not sure he's good enough full stop. I'm happy to be proved wrong (over the remaining 45 games, please - no snidey posts tomorrow at 5pm when we've kept a clean sheet). Don't remind me of that day! Locked my car key in the car, cost me £90 and then got to the ground 10 mins into kick off to watch that rubbish.
old_eastender Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 How about Wright and Flint? Ha, that would be a story... guess LJ will go with Wright & Baker. Hegler, for me, would be better suited playing in a back 3...
Guest EnglandsNo2 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Pisano wright baker mags the back 4 for me 2 Moro unless Bryan 100% fit then him for mags , Bham not that great on paper but old plastic bag face arry will have them up for this , he don't like lee or Gary for whatever reason , would love to carry on our early 1st half form and b 4 up at half time to shut up them whining brummie bar stewards COYR
GrahamC Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 26 minutes ago, EnclosureSurge said: Ha! Like last time 'Bakes' went there to mark ol' Clayton. Sept the something, Clayton hadn't hit a barn door by that point. Come 4.45 and he'd bagged a hat-trick. People will tell me 'Bakes' has learnt since then, didn't get carded under Johnson, played 35 times last season to gain Champ experience, grown an ever more impressive beard since he was last with us etc etc. Well, let's see (apart from the last point - that's undeniable). I agree that he's a better bet than 'Hegs' for 'tough' away games, but I'm just not sure he's good enough full stop. I'm happy to be proved wrong (over the remaining 45 games, please - no snidey posts tomorrow at 5pm when we've kept a clean sheet). Whereas last October he marked him out of the game (and Donaldson didn't score) in a Brum Derby... Baker played in the home game in April, too (a 1-0 win) but Donaldson was injured then though..
BRISTOL86 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Be amazed if Baker and Wright isn't our standard pairing, providing both are fit.
Padlad Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Wright and Baker purely because Hegeler was interviewed about how much he was enjoying playing
Davefevs Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Wright will start, he's captain....and rested in midweek. Baker - pros: the more dominant centre back to Jens. Cons: only had 80 minutes and cramped up, would he last 90. Hegeler - pros: building a nice partnership with Wright. Can bring the ball out. Cons: less likely to dominate Donaldson. I think we have a bit of a dilemma against a Donaldson / Adams partnership. Both are awkward customers in their own way, and the way to stop them is to stop the supply. Their midfield (r to l) might be Davis, NDoye, Gardner and Mghoma is decent enough without being anything to be fearful of. All about more than half of our players coming out on top of their opponents. We will learn a lot from this type of game
samo II Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Same starting eleven as Barnsley, I hope. Difference will be a much stronger bench this weekeed (as long as Eliasson gets his clearance), helped by some decent performance midweek from those who'll be on it. Who to put at the back will certainly give LJ some headaches moving forward, but the good kind, I think.
Bobbie Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Dropping Hegeler would be unfair and send the wrong message
Kid in the Riot Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Very obvious IMO that Hegeler is a stop gap for Baker to come in. Feel the same about Reid too although his long-term replacement spot is still up for grabs.
petehinton Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Wright isn't going to be dropped anytime soon. You don't make someone captain then rotate him in & out the squad.
glynriley Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 1 hour ago, EnclosureSurge said: Ha! Like last time 'Bakes' went there to mark ol' Clayton. Sept the something, Clayton hadn't hit a barn door by that point. Come 4.45 and he'd bagged a hat-trick. People will tell me 'Bakes' has learnt since then, didn't get carded under Johnson, played 35 times last season to gain Champ experience, grown an ever more impressive beard since he was last with us etc etc. Well, let's see (apart from the last point - that's undeniable). I agree that he's a better bet than 'Hegs' for 'tough' away games, but I'm just not sure he's good enough full stop. I'm happy to be proved wrong (over the remaining 45 games, please - no snidey posts tomorrow at 5pm when we've kept a clean sheet). He's no John MacPhail mind.
eardun Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Wright and Hegeler. Would be tough on Hegeler if he was dropped, plus I'm not convinced that Baker is fully match fit yet.
TRL Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 1 minute ago, cynic said: No one has mentioned Flint Handy on the bench if a striker gets injured!
TRL Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Don't change a winning league team until Wright or Hegeler start performing poorly, tough shit Barker, that's what happens when you get yourself a suspension.
Distortia Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 If Hegeler hasn't played midweek, I would've said him. But as he did I'd start Baker and Wright.
The Bard Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Cider Queen said: Depends if Baker is fit.. Hobbled off on Tuesday. Wright and Baker/Hegeler for me.. Although I would say Hegeler would be unlucky to be dropped This is it. I think Baker would have started but having been taken off on Tuesday when the game was a stroll I'd be surprised if he played. It's too much of a risk. Perhaps Flint will play....
Davefevs Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, Distortia said: If Hegeler hasn't played midweek, I would've said him. But as he did I'd start Baker and Wright. The players crave games at this stage of the season....3 games in a week, no problems at the mo', and in fairness did Jen's break sweat on Tuesday? Only played 69 mins too. If I was in LJ's position. I'd probably go Hegeler.
AppyDAZE Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 2 hours ago, old_eastender said: How about Wright and Flint? Ha, that would be a story... guess LJ will go with Wright & Baker. Hegler, for me, would be better suited playing in a back 3... No, no, no
Garland-sweden Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, OldlandReddies said: Same as Barnsley. Think so to.
man in the middle Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Hegeler and wright for me, Baker on the bench and Flint at home.
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Hegeler did make the odd eye catching majestic foray out of defence last week but a poor Barnsley team gave him the time and space to do so. In general his distribution and clearances were no better than Flint, who is much maligned in that respect by some. In fact I thought if anything not as good on the day, with plenty of fairly aimless long punts and fly hacks into touch. Not really tested as a defender by the Tykes either - I suspect the far more robust Baker will replace him for the much tougher fixture tomorrow and we won't be seeing much of Hegeler in his much less favoured position again barring injuries now that LJ's first choices of Wright and Baker are available.
TBW Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Hegeler and Wright. With Baker picking up a knock in midweek, worth giving him a chance to fix-up since Hegeler and Wright worked out nicely against Barnsley.
INCRED Posted August 12, 2017 Posted August 12, 2017 5 hours ago, Robin TBW said: Hegeler and Wright. With Baker picking up a knock in midweek, worth giving him a chance to fix-up since Hegeler and Wright worked out nicely against Barnsley. It was a touch of cramp and wasn't a knock so would be over that for today
Scrumpty Posted August 12, 2017 Posted August 12, 2017 Pisano, Wright, Hegeler... Baker (left back?).
EnclosureSurge Posted August 12, 2017 Posted August 12, 2017 23 hours ago, GrahamC said: Whereas last October he marked him out of the game (and Donaldson didn't score) in a Brum Derby... Baker played in the home game in April, too (a 1-0 win) but Donaldson was injured then though.. Maybe because he was playing alongside Chester, a Man Utd product, with a decade of experience, incl several seasons in the Premiership? it was 1-1, it's not like Bakes helped keep a clean sheet... Lots of people talking about Flint as the problem for us letting so many goals in, in the Champ. Lots of people saying not his fault. Whose-ever fault it is, Bakes isn't going to sort that out by himself. He didn't today and he won't all season.
Nibor Posted August 12, 2017 Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, EnclosureSurge said: Maybe because he was playing alongside Chester, a Man Utd product, with a decade of experience, incl several seasons in the Premiership? it was 1-1, it's not like Bakes helped keep a clean sheet... Lots of people talking about Flint as the problem for us letting so many goals in, in the Champ. Lots of people saying not his fault. Whose-ever fault it is, Bakes isn't going to sort that out by himself. He didn't today and he won't all season. The reason we let in so many goals last season was IMO very little to do with centre halves and everything to do with full backs being poor and midfielders giving the ball away cheaply. I think Pisano improves us a lot and if Bryan settles into some form we'll be fine on the left. Flint looks like he's going, the best two left are Wright and Baker. Wright will be better on the right side of the pair (in particular his passing) which is handy because Baker is better on the left. I think that will be where we end up and probably for the next two seasons.
EnclosureSurge Posted August 12, 2017 Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Nibor said: The reason we let in so many goals last season was IMO very little to do with centre halves and everything to do with full backs being poor and midfielders giving the ball away cheaply. I think Pisano improves us a lot and if Bryan settles into some form we'll be fine on the left. Flint looks like he's going, the best two left are Wright and Baker. Wright will be better on the right side of the pair (in particular his passing) which is handy because Baker is better on the left. I think that will be where we end up and probably for the next two seasons. I shouldn't get too excited about a) Wright's distribution or passing (from the [w]right or the left, it's poor from wherever); b) Baker's being on the left; or c) Bryan settling in to any form when he's in his least effective position, but a position identified by the manager who sees him as Premiership class there. i agree it's not just the centre-haves fault, but I don't see how Baker moves us up a level (to mid-table) if that's the case. They're all still being coached by the same manager, a manager who appears unable in all of his coaching career to coach defending. 20th'll do us this year.
eardun Posted August 12, 2017 Posted August 12, 2017 2 hours ago, EnclosureSurge said: Lots of people talking about Flint as the problem for us letting so many goals in, in the Champ. Lots of people saying not his fault. Whose-ever fault it is, Bakes isn't going to sort that out by himself. He didn't today and he won't all season. Baker didn't play today.
AppyDAZE Posted August 12, 2017 Posted August 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, eardun said: Baker didn't play today. Nailed on for Tuesday
EnclosureSurge Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 10 hours ago, eardun said: Baker didn't play today. That's my point
Flagon Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 While the Flint situation sorts itself out I would think our strongest back four is Pisano, Wright, Baker, Bryan. Hegeler is a more than competent footballer and has done well starting the season there but I think Baker is the stronger of the two. Taking Birmingham's winner in isolation after Pack is outjumped from the throw in and Eliasson was wrong side of the goal scorer, unless it's the angle Hegeler had plenty of time to close that out but it was weak defending. I'm pretty sure Baker would have slid straight in on that. As for Flint, we know he can do a good job there but I think unless we are struggling at the back or we are hit by injuries he'll have to earn his place back. I'm not too convinced we will struggle there, that goal for instance came from two clear faults prior to it getting to that position.
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Flagon said: While the Flint situation sorts itself out I would think our strongest back four is Pisano, Wright, Baker, Bryan. Hegeler is a more than competent footballer and has done well starting the season there but I think Baker is the stronger of the two. Taking Birmingham's winner in isolation after Pack is outjumped from the throw in and Eliasson was wrong side of the goal scorer, unless it's the angle Hegeler had plenty of time to close that out but it was weak defending. I'm pretty sure Baker would have slid straight in on that. As for Flint, we know he can do a good job there but I think unless we are struggling at the back or we are hit by injuries he'll have to earn his place back. I'm not too convinced we will struggle there, that goal for instance came from two clear faults prior to it getting to that position. Just watched the EFL goals on Sky and have to agree with that mate. Hegeler the one who needed to get stuck in to Maghoma but just tracked him. JFH in the studio basically said great strike but crap defending helped.
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