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I never thought I would say or even think this after the last couple of seasons but I think he is in a position right now where he could quite easily be snapped up by another club.......even lower position Premier teams.

He's young, has the right attitude, his image and persona are good and he has revamped a struggling team into his mound and now reaping the rewards.

There a are a few clubs who are struggling at the present who could well come in for him based on what he has done thus far.

I think there may be a number of 'Johnson outers' (and I was leading that call up until a few weeks ago!) who would now be gutted if he were poached by another club. 

Now what a massive turnaround that would be......from desperate for us to get shot of him to praying that he stays.

If any club does come knocking we best hope that Lee has a degree of loyalty to us and had forgotten the hatred thrown out at him a few months ago (and I was as guilty and many others)

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3 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

If any club does come knocking we best hope that Lee has a degree of loyalty to us and had forgotten the hatred thrown out at him a few months ago (and I was as guilty and many others)

In most cases I'd say it's naive to suggest a manager may display loyalty but in this instance I feel it's a consideration. 

Against all odds he kept his job last season, he has a debt to Lansdown in my opinion and will hopefully feel obliged to stay here as long as he's required.

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I genuinely believe that LJ has unfinished business here. He wants to get this club to the Premier league before he looks at anything else. 

He's young (very young) and has time to take on "bigger" offers once he achieves his "ambition" here. 

I'm sure SL's loyalty is a 2 way thing and, bar a "can't say no" offer from one of the countries Elite clubs, I don't think he'd be tempted (enough) by a bottom Prem team offer. 

Villa might well have tempted him last season, but he made his position very clear at the time. Since then, his relationship with SL can only have got a whole lot stronger. 

I'd love to know the odds on LJ being England manager at some point in his life. At his age, being English, if he were to achieve his goals here, I think there could be every chance that he'd get that opportunity at some stage in his career. 

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10 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

I never thought I would say or even think this after the last couple of seasons but I think he is in a position right now where he could quite easily be snapped up by another club.......even lower position Premier teams.

He's young, has the right attitude, his image and persona are good and he has revamped a struggling team into his mound and now reaping the rewards.

There a are a few clubs who are struggling at the present who could well come in for him based on what he has done thus far.

I think there may be a number of 'Johnson outers' (and I was leading that call up until a few weeks ago!) who would now be gutted if he were poached by another club. 

Now what a massive turnaround that would be......from desperate for us to get shot of him to praying that he stays.

If any club does come knocking we best hope that Lee has a degree of loyalty to us and had forgotten the hatred thrown out at him a few months ago (and I was as guilty and many others)

This is the sort of extreme swing in reaction that could make us look a bit silly.

I've always supported retaining LJ (though at times that was just in hope rather than expectation).

But now we're supposed to think he is tempting EPL clubs after a handful of wins? Fortunately, no, I don't think so. We are heading in the right direction but all he has achieved so far is keeping us in this league for a couple of years and a second promising start. Pride comes before a fall.

I do think other Championship clubs may be looking on enviously for the moment. But I can't see why he would leave us for any of those right now (given his history etc) and I don't feel any Premier League struggler would be wise to risk him. That's a whole different ballgame.

So all in all it seem extremely unlikely he would be tempted away at the moment.

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20 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

I never thought I would say or even think this after the last couple of seasons but I think he is in a position right now where he could quite easily be snapped up by another club.......even lower position Premier teams.

He's young, has the right attitude, his image and persona are good and he has revamped a struggling team into his mound and now reaping the rewards.

There a are a few clubs who are struggling at the present who could well come in for him based on what he has done thus far.

I think there may be a number of 'Johnson outers' (and I was leading that call up until a few weeks ago!) who would now be gutted if he were poached by another club. 

Now what a massive turnaround that would be......from desperate for us to get shot of him to praying that he stays.

If any club does come knocking we best hope that Lee has a degree of loyalty to us and had forgotten the hatred thrown out at him a few months ago (and I was as guilty and many others)

Poached? Your brain must be fried or scrambled!

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I doubt it'll happen this season. When a club sacks someone mid-season they are either looking to proven stability or someone to get the team right back up next season.

Johnson covers none of those attributes. He might turn out to be a solid Championship manager, but even if he were courted by a club destined for relegation why would he turn them down for a team that might have just as good a chance at promotion?

Posted

I doubt that he'd be interested in any other championship club. They are ALL "bang average" apart from Villa..! 

Posted

If he keeps the current form up, at some point the 'this is my club' statement will be tested but we can't worry about that as it hasn't happened yet!

Something very good is going on at our club and LJ must know he's very secure. It would surely take a mind blowing amount of £££ for him to risk that, I should think and I'm pretty sure he's extremely well paid now!

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Leicester, Swansea, Bournemouth, Palace,  Reading, Birmingham, Sunderland, Bolton are all in degree of poop and would prob pay him more than us.

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3 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Leicester, Swansea, Bournemouth, Palace,  Reading, Birmingham, Sunderland, Bolton are all in degree of poop and would prob pay him more than us.

No way Bolton can "out-pay" us, they are pretty much penniless.

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6 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Leicester, Swansea, Bournemouth, Palace,  Reading, Birmingham, Sunderland, Bolton are all in degree of poop and would prob pay him more than us.

That's true in some cases (not Bolton, Sunderland and maybe not Reading) but LJ openly and publicly admits this is 'his club'. He would wreck any goodwill if he did walk away and would never be given the chance to come back, I should think.

I would hope he knows he's on to a good thing here and stays loyal and realises he won't get the time, he has had here, virtually anywhere else.

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Posted

Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves just a little bit?

We're 11 games into the season - let's put some perspective on this

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3 minutes ago, Super said:

Go on another bad run he could be toast.

I don't see LJ moving on until his business here is finished or the potential he sees here is realised.

Equally I'm struggling to see "another bad run". The circumstances at the moment are nowhere near where we were this time last season, or for many seasons before that.

I think we have the best possible set up at the moment to make a real difference. We've more than held our own against clubs that at the beginning of the season we'd have been in fear of.

Not scraping wins by an odd goal, but playing attractive, flowing football and justifiably winning.

Bollocks to all this premature nonsense and wait until we're 10 games in or at Christmas.

This looks like something really promising and exciting. And I think LJ will see it through ;)

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13 minutes ago, phantom said:

Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves just a little bit?

We're 11 games into the season - let's put some perspective on this

 

11 minutes ago, Xiled said:

We've won 5 league games this season.

#premature

What they said.  The whole subject is ridiculous ten mostly decent games in following on from an absolutely dreadful season.

I doubt Roman Abramovic is currently getting out his cheque book.

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27 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

If he keeps the current form up, at some point the 'this is my club' statement will be tested but we can't worry about that as it hasn't happened yet!

Something very good is going on at our club and LJ must know he's very secure. It would surely take a mind blowing amount of £££ for him to risk that, I should think and I'm pretty sure he's extremely well paid now!

I'm not even sure it's the money that would tempt him .

This must be one of the best jobs in football .

An owner who supports the club with his money and gives the coach more or less what he wants and a free hand to work .

A new stadium.

A huge potential for glory without the pressure that exists at former top clubs who think they should be doing better , Derby, Wolves , Sunderland for example .

A wonderful, good looking , intelligent fan base.

 I could go on .

 

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6 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

I'm not even sure it's the money that would tempt him .

This must be one of the best jobs in football .

An owner who supports the club with his money and gives the coach more or less what he wants and a free hand to work .

A new stadium.

A huge potential for glory without the pressure that exists at former top clubs who think they should be doing better , Derby, Wolves , Sunderland for example .

A wonderful, good looking , intelligent fan base.

 I could go on .

 

Wonderful? Good looking? Intelligent?

**** me Major. You and me must be related ;)

Reckon we're the only ones mind ;)

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This is kinda related. Anyone know what the managers who get the sack get as compensation? e.g. Do they get paid their contract in full, or is it a percentage? I presume it's an element of negotiation but would also expect there to be an acceptable constant.

Posted

I'd have no fear of this - I remain convinced Lee will do for us as Eddie Howe has done for Bournemouth.  They are cut from the same cloth.

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He's ambitious but he's not stupid. If he looks at his career then he'll see that his strengths are building something over a period of years at a reasonably progressive and well set-up football club. He's not a Warnock, who can be parachuted into a poorly run club and turn it around inside a dozen games.

I believe he will go on and be successful, but it'll be at the right club after he's taken City as far as he's able. I don't think he needs or wants to manage Crystal Palace for 5 minutes to get a nice payoff and says he's managed in the big leagues.

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I think he would be mad to leave BCFC where he has great support trom the top, money to spend, time to create a team and was looked after when everything looked so hopeless last season.

Another club may offer him better money, but he wouldn't last 12 months with most of them (not through any fault of his, I would add) and his reputation would then be trashed.

He has the opportunity to do something very special here and he will not be daft enough to throw it away for short term gain.

Whilst I thought he looked clueless during the bad run, I still hoped he would succeed, as I did when he was appointed.  Why would anyone ever want a City manager to fail?

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53 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

I'm not even sure it's the money that would tempt him .

This must be one of the best jobs in football .

An owner who supports the club with his money and gives the coach more or less what he wants and a free hand to work .

A new stadium.

A huge potential for glory without the pressure that exists at former top clubs who think they should be doing better , Derby, Wolves , Sunderland for example .

A wonderful, good looking , intelligent fan base.

 I could go on .

 

His family also live locally. I always am amazed at how supporters forget that footballers with families are humans, and often like to live close to family, if possible.

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How many chairmen or boards out there are going to give him 3+ transfer windows to get the team right? Some of them struggle to give them 3 games. SL's approach is almost a blast from the past.

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2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I genuinely believe that LJ has unfinished business here. He wants to get this club to the Premier league before he looks at anything else. 

He's young (very young) and has time to take on "bigger" offers once he achieves his "ambition" here. 

I'm sure SL's loyalty is a 2 way thing and, bar a "can't say no" offer from one of the countries Elite clubs, I don't think he'd be tempted (enough) by a bottom Prem team offer. 

Villa might well have tempted him last season, but he made his position very clear at the time. Since then, his relationship with SL can only have got a whole lot stronger. 

I'd love to know the odds on LJ being England manager at some point in his life. At his age, being English, if he were to achieve his goals here, I think there could be every chance that he'd get that opportunity at some stage in his career. 

Wouldn't be the first City manager to manage England, but can't think of any others than Roy Hodgson. He's a long way from that at present. I reckon McAllister has made a difference, particularly to the defence. If LJ went we could well offer the job to him.

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

He's got a job for life here. If he goes to a prem club and is sacked, then where does he go from there? Big gamble if he left a sleeping giant like us who will always stick by him and let him build, which not many clubs allow nowadays. 

Nobody in football has a job for life. Most managers are extremely lucky to survive for a couple of years, though with the LJ and SL relationship the job security is greater. That said, if it all goes a bit pear shaped in years to come SL will make the correct decision - as per Gary Johnson. Even if LJ gets us into the Premier League, there will come a time when he moves onto greater things, leaves by mutual consent, or is sacked 

Posted

He'll be well aware how lucky he was to get through that losing run without being sacked (how many bigger clubs than us would've let him get away with it? None).

 

Posted

He's riding the crest of a wave, and he's had the windows he requested to assemble the squad he wanted.

So why would he go now? (apart from getting a mega-megabucks offer)

Maybe he knows something we don't..........

or has a dreaded sense of deja vu !

Posted

Did he not sign a fairly lengthy contract extension last season, while we were in the midst of our losing run? Fair enough, I know contracts mean very little but he joined us because of who the club is & because of the ‘project’, knowing it was a long term thing.

He’s hardly scratched the surface when it comes to fulfilling his end of the bargain with regards to the ‘project’ & I just don’t see him walking out on us unless it’s a very attractive job, Johnson seems far from stupid & will be fully aware of of how good a job he has here in terms of job security, there are very few other clubs that I (or anyone) could name that would offer him or anyone for that matter the sort of security he has here.

Posted

Ok, so things are going really well and he is proving my doubts about his ability as being incorrect.  He gets poached and am I worried ................ no not really as there are many other managers out there who can do the job equally as well if he decides to move on.  There is no indispensable man !! 

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4 hours ago, phantom said:

Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves just a little bit?

We're 11 games into the season - let's put some perspective on this

He was going to be the next England manager this time last year....:laughcont:

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3 minutes ago, glynriley said:

He was going to be the next England manager this time last year....:laughcont:

and I was going to marry Kylie Minogue (until she said she would sing at the wedding)

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4 hours ago, Hampshire Red said:

You were guilty as many others were! 

SL brought him in, stuck by him, rightly ignored th JOs and will surely know the time to let a man go. He does done this many times in football and many times in business, more successfully than you or I can imagine. So, keep the faith with  the man up top and just continue to love what we have today and could have tomorrow. 

You are of course right.  Lee just has a lot going for him and already doing really well in less than 20 months at a club whose fans arguably don't deserve the success he can serve up. 

EPL clubs who could come knocking include Bomo, Brighton, Burnley, Newcastle,  Stoke, Swansea but I fear the real threat comes from a foreign owner who just looks at Stats and responds to agents. The J family are footie - savvy enough to see a great deal for them personally when it is offered so we are already under threat, even from Championship clubs. 

However, as stated many times on this Forum, including back in Jan/ Feb, we should all place faith in SL- he hardly ever gets a call wrong! Therefore if Lj goes we'll get someone else better in his place,  however hard this would be to imagine today

CoYRs

I would argue that Lansdown has got quite a few calls wrong: SOD, McInnes and Coppell to name three. And even sticking with LJ last season was a massive gamble - we only stayed up by the skin of our teeth and had we gone down, it would've been a disaster.

As for our fans not being very deserving... we're an incredibly loyal bunch considering how little success we've had over the years.

Posted

If another club come calling for LJ, I'm sure SL will send Agent Thatch in first to provide the interested club with a character reference. 

Posted

I don't believe that Lee would be tempted to leave City. He loves the club, and seems committed to the cause and the long term plan. I certainly don't think that a lower Premier club would prise him away; different if it was one of the Big Boys. Personally, as one of the very few who stayed loyal during the Dark Ages of last season, I want him to do a Wenger or Ferguson, and stay at least as long as Alan Dicks did.

Posted

LJ has had offers from other Clubs bigger than us to work for them. Not as manager, but coach.

Every coach or manager wants the opportunity to be able to create their own team, own identity, own way of playing. Putting their stamp on the club....their own piece of history and legacy.

There will be managers under extreme pressure at other clubs, to produce results almost immediately. They know deep down that they won't have time to build their own side.

I can't see LJ going anywhere, until he's done what he's aiming for here, or he's no longer wanted.

This Club and it's Coach are going on a journey...and they are taking us along for the ride. Enjoy it :-)

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4 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

It's 11 games into the season. 

My thoughts exactly. I know football fans in general are fickle but our lot.. jesus wept. A few losses and Johnson will be looking over his back in regards to our fans opinions. Im dreading we have a wobble in October as the knifes will be out ready and waiting i can assure you.

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Posted
49 minutes ago, Hellfire Corner said:

Which clubs Spudski? I'd be really interested in knowing.

Man City wanted him for their Academy.

 

Posted
7 hours ago, Top Robin said:

I never thought I would say or even think this after the last couple of seasons but I think he is in a position right now where he could quite easily be snapped up by another club.......even lower position Premier teams.

He's young, has the right attitude, his image and persona are good and he has revamped a struggling team into his mound and now reaping the rewards.

There a are a few clubs who are struggling at the present who could well come in for him based on what he has done thus far.

I think there may be a number of 'Johnson outers' (and I was leading that call up until a few weeks ago!) who would now be gutted if he were poached by another club. 

Now what a massive turnaround that would be......from desperate for us to get shot of him to praying that he stays.

If any club does come knocking we best hope that Lee has a degree of loyalty to us and had forgotten the hatred thrown out at him a few months ago (and I was as guilty and many others)

Wow.....:laughcont:

It's amazing how an incredible month can completely transform people's opinions of the guy 

It really has been an incredible month. Fair play to him and everyone involved for what they've achieved. Long may it continue.

...but talk of him being poached is way over the top and extremely premature 

Posted

I see LJ. as in it for the long term . Certainly see it as a 5yr plan , with maybe the P word. Long way to go and as he has said many times there will be highs and there will be lows, hopefully more of the former than the latter.

Posted

I find this thread surreal. Poached. Performs as well as Howe. Here for five years. Here as long as Wenger. England manager. 

Eleven games in. Looking exciting. Can everybody just calm the hell down? 

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7 hours ago, JonDolman said:

He's got a job for life here.....

I can't agree with that, the days of reigns like Sir Alex enjoyed and Arsene is still 'enjoying' are over in my opinion. I'm not sure why you think LJ is somehow unsackable forever just because we've made a very decent start to this season?!

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5 hours ago, BigTone said:

and I was going to marry Kylie Minogue (until she said she would sing at the wedding)

She told me that as well Tone, so I settled for Susan Boyle :whistle:

Posted

Joking aside, I think LJ could be tempted but not for quite a while. I think he has a genuine love for this club & his connections with SL & family would make things very touchy indeed. In saying that, everyone has his price but I do believe LJ is a lot better person & manager than many of us gave credit, myself included.

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4 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

One of the funniest threads ever - " he might get poached" !! Really? 

 

He he has a lot to do before he will get poached by anyone!

Agree with most of this but with the amounts of overseas money being thrown around by wanna be owners nothing would surprise me.

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2 hours ago, spudski said:

Man City and Liverpool

In what role? I cannot believe it would be anywhere near the first team at either.

And if I am correct why would a young head coach leave a Championship club to join yes, a much bigger club, but in a much lower role.

Doesnt stack up at all for me.

Posted

LJ isn't stupid. He will know that if he takes a PL club and gets relegated that could be his one and only chance at the PL.

Wait for the right job. I believe (and reckon he also believes) that Bristol City is the ideal club for him at this moment in time - support from the board, a club he knows and a club who is willing to give him time to grow.

I'm not just saying this from biased point of view (although I am biased).

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7 hours ago, joeyb said:

LJ isn't stupid. He will know that if he takes a PL club and gets relegated that could be his one and only chance at the PL.

Wait for the right job. I believe (and reckon he also believes) that Bristol City is the ideal club for him at this moment in time - support from the board, a club he knows and a club who is willing to give him time to grow.

I'm not just saying this from biased point of view (although I am biased).

But looking at mediocre 'journeyman' managers, once they get a job managing a prem side they seem to be able to get a job anywhere after.

 

Posted
58 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

But looking at mediocre 'journeyman' managers, once they get a job managing a prem side they seem to be able to get a job anywhere after.

 

Like who?

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10 hours ago, ScottishRed said:

In what role? I cannot believe it would be anywhere near the first team at either.

And if I am correct why would a young head coach leave a Championship club to join yes, a much bigger club, but in a much lower role.

Doesnt stack up at all for me.

Indeed....why would he want to leave, but it doesn't mean he won't get asked.

When you look at the amount of managers that are no longer in employment, it just goes to show that you can be a good manager, but if the fit at that club isn't right, then it can ruin your reputation and career.

You can have great success at some clubs, then absolute failure at others . Moyes is a great example of that. Does that make you a bad manager though?

Look at some of the managers we've had in the past....done amazing at previous clubs, yet failed here and elsewhere. SoD, Coppell are good examples. One now working for Wolves academy, the other managing in India.

Clubs allegedly do due diligence when choosing a manager/coach, however I'd suggest managers did the same with Clubs when applying to join.

Get it wrong and career over. Or find out early that you are a better Coach than Manager.

There are so many different factors as to what can bring you success...it's just finding the right balance.

Some managers surround themselves with a coaching team they like to work with...that can work, but also fail. Depends on the Club.

Get the balance right throughout the Club and you can succeed....

Most manager fail, because they aren't given the time to change things and get that balance right.

 

Posted
7 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Like who?

Roy Hodgson, Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce, Ian Holloway,  Neil Warnock, Mick McCarthey..........

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On 02/10/2017 at 14:24, Port Said Red said:

How many chairmen or boards out there are going to give him 3+ transfer windows to get the team right? Some of them struggle to give them 3 games. SL's approach is almost a blast from the past.

I see Steve Lansdown's  approach the same way Harry Dolman worked with Alan Dicks something very few clubs have done in the past. 

And like Alan Dicks, LJ is gathering a squad of young players who will hopefully emulate the likes of Merrick Collier Gow and Whitehead. To jump ship having started to build a squad for the future would, to me, seem very foolish. Of course if the history of last season were to repeat it's self I have no doubt SL wouldn't be so understanding.

But as others have said it's still early days, which means we can remain optimistic and see where the Johnson rollercoaster takes us.

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