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Thought I'd get this in before the Leeds game - in case we take a painful defeat - but how many of you feel we can finish top 2 this season?

For me, it is within our reach - especially if our squad can be strengthened by 1 or 2 quality players, with at least 1 in the middle of the park.  Look at the table now, Wolves, Cardiff and Sheff Utd - hardly intimidating or huge clubs.   In our favour, we have a powerful striker who is going to get better as the season progresses, we have Bobby Reid in the form of his life, we've put together a very good, tough defence - and we seem to have forged a strong team spirit again with a hungry group of players.  Perhaps the only problem is the continued successful management of our large squad and ensuring those not in the team remain content with their position.

And yes it is far too early to discuss the chance of this, but I'm interested to know our current mind-set.  Could this be a season to celebrate an unexpected automatic promotion?

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There's not a team in the league we can't beat IMO. Why shouldn't we aim high?

You'd have got the same 'calm down' reaction at this stage in 07/08 and with a couple of quality additions in Jan that season we'd have gone up automatically. 

I personally don't see it happening but why shouldn't we aim for it? Why shouldn't anyone?

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1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said:

There's not a team in the league we can't beat IMO. Why shouldn't we aim high?

You'd have got the same 'calm down' reaction at this stage in 07/08 and with a couple of quality additions in Jan that season we'd have gone up automatically. 

I personally don't see it happening but why shouldn't we aim for it? Why shouldn't anyone?

This time last season Maybe.

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2 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

This time last season Maybe.

In all honesty I can't see how that's relevant to what's happening now. 

Where did Huddersfield finish in 15/16 again?

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I’m still predicting a 10th place finish. We’re bound to have a wobble at some point and the table is very close. If you don’t win for 3 games you can fall out of the top half easily. As someone said, wait until January. If we’re still 4th then and only a few points off the top 2 then maybe we can start to believe. 

Posted

Clearly based on current form, yes. we and Wolves/Preston are currently showing the consistency required to make the top two but we have to sustain it for another 34 games. Is it possible, of course it is. Can we do it, that remains to be seen. 

Posted

After that fantastic win at Brighton at the end of last season I really fancied City to do well this season. So much so that I placed a bet on City to get promoted at 10/1.

Its definitely looking good at the moment.................:fingerscrossed:

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10 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

In all honesty I can't see how that's relevant to what's happening now. 

Where did Huddersfield finish in 15/16 again?

No idea about Huddersfield,  I'm just drawing on last seasons experience. Why wouldn't I ?

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3 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Err.....Burton?

It remains to be seen if we can't beat Burton ;) hopefully next time we play them we are only playing versus eleven men!

You get my gist though - when we play to our full potential we are a match for anyone in the league. It's a case of whether we can keep that consistency. 

Bar a - relatively speaking - short period, we've been in essentially playoff form since Johnson arrived. Top two form isn't a million miles detached and this year I don't see anyone having the consistency to run riot like Newcastle/BHA. 

They both averaged 2 points per game over 46 games, only Wolves, Cardiff and Sheff U have equalled or bettered that over the 12 games so far. Then it's us. 

Obviously all ifs and buts but we haven't exactly had an easy start to the season and if we keep this form up we'll be knocking on the door. 

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COULD we..? Yes, possibly. 

WILL we..? I wouldn’t think so. 

My original hope is that we would finish somewhere between 12-15th. 

Having seen is so far this season, I’d like to hope that top 10 is a realistic target now. 

I’d love a play-off push and don’t think that’s beyond us, but I think top 2 might be a little bit ambitious. 

However, there is nothing wrong with ambition and I hope that’s where LJ & the team have their sights set!

I’ll take top 10. Be delighted with top 6 (whatever the outcome of play-offs)

Top 2 seems beyond our wildest dreams, but it IS possible I suppose! 

Posted

I think it's possible if unlikely. A couple of injuries to key personnel could hit us hard.

Let's see how we react to a couple of defeats before we get carried away.

I would be very happy with a top 10 finish TBH, absolutely fine by me but, at the moment, we're in the mix. There's a very long way to go and a very good start is all we've accomplished so far. Just enjoy the ride and see where we are come January.

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4 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

No idea about Huddersfield,  I'm just drawing on last seasons experience. Why wouldn't I ?

Because it's not really relevant? Didn't Leicester nearly go down the season before they won the league too, or have I made that up? 

My point is that what happened last season is largely irrelevant to this season in the same way that what I had for tea last night is not a fantastic indicator of what I'll have for tea tonight. 

Too many variables for there to be any actual correlation, and luckily one of them is now in Cardiff!

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1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Because it's not really relevant? Didn't Leicester nearly go down the season before they won the league too, or have I made that up? 

My point is that what happened last season is largely irrelevant to this season in the same way that what I had for tea last night is not a fantastic indicator of what I'll have for tea tonight. 

Too many variables, and luckily one of them is now in Cardiff!

You quoted our form since LJ arrived, so is that irrelevant as well ? You can't have it both ways.

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1 minute ago, Vincent Vega said:

You quoted our form since LJ arrived, so is that irrelevant as well ? You can't have it both ways.

Form over a sustained period of time is a far superior measure of likelihood than choosing to only focus on a very small sample of that wider data set. 

The fact that we had a 'blip' last season is completely irrelevant to what will happen this season. 

If I have a freak accident today does that make me more likely to have one tomorrow?

I'm not saying it's not human nature to remain cautious about our chances in light of a blip last season, but it really is neither here nor there. It's only what happens this season that will have any effect on the outcome. 

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1 minute ago, tinman85 said:

If we sort the midfield in Jan we can be top 6. We missed an opportunity in the summer. 

Does the current evidence not suggest that top six is achievable with the current squad? Or do you think we've got lucky so far?

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41 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Calm down. Let's see where we are in January. 

I agree but if we don't push ourselves to the limits every game, we'll never know what could be achieved. It's our Mount Everest. It's climbable!

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13 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Because it's not really relevant? Didn't Leicester nearly go down the season before they won the league too, or have I made that up? 

My point is that what happened last season is largely irrelevant to this season in the same way that what I had for tea last night is not a fantastic indicator of what I'll have for tea tonight. 

Too many variables for there to be any actual correlation, and luckily one of them is now in Cardiff!

Fair enough-as I eat me fish finger sandwich I dream of lobster Thermidor,and whilst cutting me toenails imagine I'm tripping the light fantastic with Vivian Leigh.

Difficult bit is having consistancy in quality..no reason not to dream,though.

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39 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

There's not a team in the league we can't beat IMO. Why shouldn't we aim high?

There also isn't a team in the league that couldn't beat us. 

You'd have got the same 'calm down' reaction at this stage in 07/08 and with a couple of quality additions in Jan that season we'd have gone up automatically. 

I personally don't see it happening but why shouldn't we aim for it? Why shouldn't anyone?

I don't see how openly stating this is our aim benifits us in anyway. It's not like if our form remains good and we are in the top two the players are going to think 'this is not the aim better loose a few and get back to expectations.'

IMO Take it a game at a time and re-assess in Jan

 

 

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3 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

I agree but if we don't push ourselves to the limits every game, we'll never know what could be achieved. It's our Mount Everest. It's climbable!

The team can push themselves as hard as they like and then some, I was talking from a Fan's point of view.

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2 minutes ago, tinman85 said:

We can't break down teams who park the bus. Proven already. That will happen more and more. We need someone to unlock the door or we will slip down the table. 

Can't get in??

Đurić the battering ram & Taylor to tidy up.....as and when available.

Posted
7 minutes ago, tinman85 said:

We can't break down teams who park the bus. Proven already. That will happen more and more. We need someone to unlock the door or we will slip down the table. 

Two teams have properly 'parked the bus' against us this season and we've taken 4 points - would have been 6 were it not for Mr Linnington. 

I agree it's a weak spot of ours but the table doesn't lie. As it stands three teams have been better than us this season which would suggest our midfield is capable of delivering a top six finish.

Not saying they will of course but 'we won't finish top six with this midfield' or words to that effect, is something of a baseless statement.

Posted

Top 2 is not unrealistic or unachievable, we have had a very good start.. playing some excellent football with results reflecting that.

There's certainly no one to fear in the championship, there's no nailed on Newcastle, Brighton or Burnley like in previous years.. but make no mistake there are still some very good teams in the division.

I think we'll be somewhere between 4th-10th, but for example if were sitting 5th with 10 games to go and we end well who knows.

Key this year will be when we do lose 2 on the bounce is how we bounce back if it's straight away then we may well be right up there.. if it turns into a third and fourth lose etc then we may finish further down.

It's an old cliché but take game by game, as said previously if were in the top 6 at Xmas still in reach of the top 2 who knows.

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1 minute ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Probably get a better feel for it if we leave it until early May.

I must admit I've always been a bit baffled by the 'let's wait until January' statement. I mean what's so special about January anyway?! There's months of football to be played post January.   

We're closer to January today than January is to the end of the season. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Calm down Vincent , let's see where we are in February.

:yes:

 

19 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Probably get a better feel for it if we leave it until early May.

I'm with OTIK, May is the time to reassess our chances. :)

After earlier saying January, I'm about as consistent as a gas away performance me! :whistle:

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5 minutes ago, Distortia said:

Personally I'll be waiting until March to see where we are.

At least it's now appropriate to be worried about Sheffield United again. 

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It's a very open league this season but there does look a couple of stand out quality teams. Wolves look good and with them likely to strengthen in January and add Jota permanently, you would have to say they are going to be bang there. 

Cardiff I'm not sure on. Warnock has got them well drilled, but I can't see them automatic.

Preston I feel a bit like us are punching and more likely to be outside Playoff chance.

With the likes of Villa, Sheff Utd, Sheff Weds, Leeds, Boro, Norwich, Hull and co, big teams at this level and Brentford and Fulham finding form the league is simply impossible to predict after 12 games.

Top 10 would be perfectly acceptable, but I fear the promising start (esp if we get a result on Saturday) will get fans suddenly thinking we are playoff/promotion candidates and then if we did end up mid table, there would be a feeling of disappointment in certain elements of the fan base.

I think we can definitely be top 8 or 10, and it would be nice to sneak in the back door of the playoffs,  but I don't personally think we have the quality or intention to buy the quality to make us automatic promotion contenders. 

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2 minutes ago, palmerred said:

It's a very open league this season but there does look a couple of stand out quality teams. Wolves look good and with them likely to strengthen in January and add Jota permanently, you would have to say they are going to be bang there. 

Cardiff I'm not sure on. Warnock has got them well drilled, but I can't see them automatic.

Preston I feel a bit like us are punching and more likely to be outside Playoff chance.

With the likes of Villa, Sheff Utd, Sheff Weds, Leeds, Boro, Norwich, Hull and co, big teams at this level and Brentford and Fulham finding form the league is simply impossible to predict after 12 games.

Top 10 would be perfectly acceptable, but I fear the promising start (esp if we get a result on Saturday) will get fans suddenly thinking we are playoff/promotion candidates and then if we did end up mid table, there would be a feeling of disappointment in certain elements of the fan base.

I think we can definitely be top 8 or 10, and it would be nice to sneak in the back door of the playoffs,  but I don't personally think we have the quality or intention to buy the quality to make us automatic promotion contenders. 

Good post that palmerred and it raises a further question. If we're around the top 6 come January, do we, can we, will we push the boat out transfer wise?

Interesting times!

Posted

I’m optimistic for this season and I’m hoping we can stay up around the play-offs. If we can it will make it more exciting and add a few more to the crowds. 

Posted

We are capable of beating anyone else in the division.

The only problem is that I still think we are capable of being beaten by pretty well anyone else in this division as well, so seeing us a promotion contenders is a bit of a leap of faith.

However, the longer we can maintain our unbeaten run and performance levels, and especially if we can find a way of undoing teams like Burton, then we could well become a dark horse.

This being Bristol City, I will not be getting my hopes up until we are 22 points ahead of the rest with 7 games to go. 

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39 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

I must admit I've always been a bit baffled by the 'let's wait until January' statement. I mean what's so special about January anyway?! There's months of football to be played post January.   

We're closer to January today than January is to the end of the season. 

People are saying January because that's when we can sign new players. So you take stock in Jan work out where to strengthen and what to spend. 

January is literally (in terms of transfers) leaving it as late as possible to assess how our seasons going. 

Posted

Could happen, you could rise to the top and stay there.

But a few defeats and its a "crisis" . . We were top not long ago and the media had us nailedon for promotion  . . Now we may notmake the playoffs . .apparently 

Posted

I get why people are reluctant but we could really finish anywhere in the top 6 easily. I don't think likely but no horrible teams this year I don't think(possibly wolves). I'm still on 60 points in my head. When we get to there I'll be happy and reaccess depending how many games are left. 60 points should have us at least 14th and a relatively stress free year if we pick up those 60 at a steady pace. It does feel we could do more than that but it's so fragile that I'll withhold judgement until then. 

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42 minutes ago, BCFC Richard said:

People are saying January because that's when we can sign new players. So you take stock in Jan work out where to strengthen and what to spend. 

January is literally (in terms of transfers) leaving it as late as possible to assess how our seasons going. 

I would hope that's already been done WTGR Rich BUT will our position make the number 1's on LJ / MS's list more likely to happen? Will we spend a larger sum given our lofty position to sign say a 'Bannan' who would be serious money or a cheaper player who may not bring as much as him?

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1 hour ago, palmerred said:

It's a very open league this season but there does look a couple of stand out quality teams. Wolves look good and with them likely to strengthen in January and add Jota permanently, you would have to say they are going to be bang there. 

Cardiff I'm not sure on. Warnock has got them well drilled, but I can't see them automatic.

Preston I feel a bit like us are punching and more likely to be outside Playoff chance.

With the likes of Villa, Sheff Utd, Sheff Weds, Leeds, Boro, Norwich, Hull and co, big teams at this level and Brentford and Fulham finding form the league is simply impossible to predict after 12 games.

Top 10 would be perfectly acceptable, but I fear the promising start (esp if we get a result on Saturday) will get fans suddenly thinking we are playoff/promotion candidates and then if we did end up mid table, there would be a feeling of disappointment in certain elements of the fan base.

I think we can definitely be top 8 or 10, and it would be nice to sneak in the back door of the playoffs,  but I don't personally think we have the quality or intention to buy the quality to make us automatic promotion contenders. 

Am good friends with a PNE season ticket holder: he thinks they will be found out sooner or later. Then again, he is as cynical, miserable and downbeat as I am.

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13 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

I would hope that's already been done WTGR Rich BUT will our position make the number 1's on LJ / MS's list more likely to happen? Will we spend a larger sum given our lofty position to sign say a 'Bannan' who would be serious money or a cheaper player who may not bring as much as him?

The club will say that they will only bring in players that can improve the squad .

As we progress that's going to cost more money .

If SL wants promotion then he'll pay the going rate I'm sure .

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Just now, Major Isewater said:

The club will say that they will only bring in players that can improve the squad .

As we progress that's going to cost more money .

If SL wants promotion then he'll pay the going rate I'm sure .

Would be nice for the refreshing honesty of "well, we felt obliged to buy someone to appease the serial moaners and whinge-bags in the stands and on the forum, and no-one was available that we actually wanted or needed, so we brought in Carlos Kickaball who is, quite frankly, garbage, and I fully expect will be shipped off on loan to Chippenham inside 2 months."

Posted

Yes. Aim high.

If you fall short you’re still in a good place.

Aim “top 10” and fall short you’re average.

And I genuinely feel that this season we’re in a far better and deserving place than this time last year.

But then the Bristolian approach (and I was born and brought up in Bristol) is so often one of expecting little and then either moaning about it or taking pleasure in saying “told you so”.

Onwards and upwards.

Posted

As long as fans don't start expecting a top 6 finish (I don't think city fans are ever going to expect a top 2 finish) then I do not see any problem with saying we could, extremely reasonably, finish in the playoffs this season. 

I mean, why not? We've been largely very consistent this season so far. Keep the wins coming in regularly and the odd disappointing draws at home to Burton/Millwall etc. won't really matter. 

I don't think you have to be exceptionally good to finish in the top 6 - after all, a quarter of the league achieve it every season. You just have to be consistently quite good. And so far this season, that describes us. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Robert the bruce said:

Fair enough-as I eat me fish finger sandwich I dream of lobster Thermidor,and whilst cutting me toenails imagine I'm tripping the light fantastic with Vivian Leigh.

Difficult bit is having consistancy in quality..no reason not to dream,though.

Is that you, Sir Larry?

Posted

No, I’m sticking to my parallels with Alan Dicks’s promotion team - possibly top 6 this year but won’t win the play offs but with a couple of good signings we could be knockng on the door next season.

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22 minutes ago, BigAlToby&Liam said:

Yes. Aim high.

If you fall short you’re still in a good place.

Aim “top 10” and fall short you’re average.

And I genuinely feel that this season we’re in a far better and deserving place than this time last year.

But then the Bristolian approach (and I was born and brought up in Bristol) is so often one of expecting little and then either moaning about it or taking pleasure in saying “told you so”.

Onwards and upwards.

This surely makes no sense at all because where you aim has no real bearing on where you actually finish.

In fact, you could say your way is worse - if you finish just outside the top 10 after aiming for the top two that'll be a much bigger disappointment and knock to confidence than finishing there after aiming for top 10.

 

Posted
3 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

This time last season Maybe.

I can’t see bar the points tally how any comparisons what so ever can be made against last season, I can only presume you haven’t been going to games as this team looks completely different to last seasons, IMO opinion we were in a false posistion this time last season where as this time we deserve to be where we are. 

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3 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Because it's not really relevant? Didn't Leicester nearly go down the season before they won the league too, or have I made that up? 

My point is that what happened last season is largely irrelevant to this season in the same way that what I had for tea last night is not a fantastic indicator of what I'll have for tea tonight. 

Too many variables for there to be any actual correlation, and luckily one of them is now in Cardiff!

What did you have for tea last night? It’s relevant to me and I really want to know.

Posted

We are in a position to challenge and that’s all at the moment. If this group of players can sustain the current consistency and add in a bit of Lady Luck when it comes to injuries and suspensions then who knows.

I bought a ST for the first time this season after 40+ years because I saw something that gave me that feeling this group could actually do well and challenge at the top of the league, so far that hunch is looking promising

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52 minutes ago, Hellfire Corner said:

What did you have for tea last night? It’s relevant to me and I really want to know.

Stir fried chicken with Korean BBQ seasoning, broccoli and rice! 

Completely different to tonight's grilled Sea Bream with green beans. 

Posted
5 hours ago, Monkeh said:

no chance, I still don't think we'll be near the play-offs

I'm not saying we will be in the top two spots, nor in the playoffs. 

But what is your 'no chance' opinion based off? We seem to be very good this year? And I truly feel we can beat anyone in this league.. So to say we have no chance based off the first 12 games seems more ridiculous than those feeling optimistic of a top 6 / 2 spot. 

Yes last year "blah blah blah".... But we play and are playing completely different in a number of ways, that seems to be working very well. And yes we have struggled to break a couple teams down this year, but any team would struggle and we probably could of and should of won both the Burton & Millwall games.

But yeh, I'm not knocking your opinion at all, because I think top 6 will be tough to maintain, but I wouldn't say we had "no chance". But I am interested to know why you feel so strongly that we wont be up there. 

 

Up the City x

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1 hour ago, Rob k said:

I can’t see bar the points tally how any comparisons what so ever can be made against last season, I can only presume you haven’t been going to games as this team looks completely different to last seasons, IMO opinion we were in a false posistion this time last season where as this time we deserve to be where we are. 

Hi Rob, I think you're totally missing the point of my statement. The team are playing great stuff arguably the best we've seen at this level.  But this good start and that's all it is , may and I stress the 'may' not last but i hope it does for the record   If football was predictable i would be a millionaire and banned by sky bet  sadly I’m not. All i am saying is reign the back slapping in. Obviously you and anyone else can knock yourselves out. ( P.S not missed a game yet this season )

Posted

Interesting to hear LJ commenting on how we have really had 'a punch on the nose' yet to see how we deal with that (apparently we have only been behind for a total of 77 mins this season!). And that is still a bit of an unknown for us - In this league, we are going to lose at some point, quite possibly to someone who we feel we should beat and then we have to bounce back. In such an unpredictable league that might be the most important trait for a successful team - to bounce back immediately and not end up in a mini (or not so mini!) slump for a few games. We are yet to be texted in that regard yet. 

(LJ says it in the pre-Leeds press conference link at about 8:09)

Posted
10 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Stir fried chicken with Korean BBQ seasoning, broccoli and rice! 

Completely different to tonight's grilled Sea Bream with green beans. 

Is this OTIB or masterchef?

Posted

Call me overly cautious, but we have a very, very difficult game on Saturday which we could as easily lose as win imo (not being negative, just realistic)

Talk of the top two isn't really what we need to hear about right now.

Top 6 and that would be AMAZING in itself.

All about opinions, but i hate talk like this before such a hard game especially.

 

Posted
2 hours ago, Midred said:

Is that you, Sir Larry?

Lord O please.

Personally I'm enjoying being fourth but would still settle for twelfth.

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