Yipikiaye Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 I spoke to a ashton gate steward this evening only briefly , told me there’s damage in the away end today by Leeds fans . Anybody see what happened ? Also what happens can the club claim cost of repairs against Leeds .
havanatopia Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Yipikiaye said: I spoke to a ashton gate steward this evening only briefly , told me there’s damage in the away end today by Leeds fans . Anybody see what happened ? Also what happens can the club claim cost of repairs against Leeds . Obviously; if they can prove it.
Admin Maesknoll Posted October 22, 2017 Admin Posted October 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, havanatopia said: Obviously; if they can prove it. Really? It's not the (Leeds) clubs fault, surely they'd have to take action against the individual(s) responsible. If it was in the dressing room and it was Leeds employees I'd expect them to pay, but a club cannot be responsible for the actions of its fans.
Northern Red Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 If the damage is substantial and costly then usually the visiting club would be billed for it. If individuals can be identified it would be up to their club to punish them appropriately.
havanatopia Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: Really? It's not the (Leeds) clubs fault, surely they'd have to take action against the individual(s) responsible. If it was in the dressing room and it was Leeds employees I'd expect them to pay, but a club cannot be responsible for the actions of its fans. I defer to Northern Red.
Aaron-Bcfc Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Yipikiaye said: I spoke to a ashton gate steward this evening only briefly , told me there’s damage in the away end today by Leeds fans . Anybody see what happened ? Also what happens can the club claim cost of repairs against Leeds . The clubs own fault, rather than having stewards in the away end they thought they'd use 30+ stewards to segregate home fans from other home fans. Complete and utter joke.
Admin Maesknoll Posted October 22, 2017 Admin Posted October 22, 2017 24 minutes ago, Northern Red said: If the damage is substantial and costly then usually the visiting club would be billed for it. If individuals can be identified it would be up to their club to punish them appropriately. So could a Landlord of a pub that suffered damage claim against a club? When I worked for a Train Operating Company, we had a few trains trashed by football fans, there was no path for recompense against the club involved. Maybe a club would pay a bill if it was presented, but I can't see that it would be legally enforceable if they declined.
havanatopia Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Aaron-Bcfc said: The clubs own fault, rather than having stewards in the away end they thought they'd use 30+ stewards to segregate home fans from other home fans. Complete and utter joke. Could it not have been a precaution against Leeds fans having home stand tickets? I would suggest it is; violence on the person is somewhat more of a priority than on a piece of metal or concrete. Could City have put additional in the Leeds end? Perhaps but maybe there were not enough.
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said: ...... a club cannot be responsible for the actions of its fans. But they can be fined for it..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/13218273 http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/celtic-fined-by-uefa-over-crowd-behaviour-at-manchester-city-1-4375575
Vincent Vega Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Aaron-Bcfc said: The clubs own fault, rather than having stewards in the away end they thought they'd use 30+ stewards to segregate home fans from other home fans. Complete and utter joke. I'm with the club on this. If you wanted a ticket in the unreserved section, buy 1 like the rest of us did .
Olé Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Yeah, I saw them too. I think Mark Morrison was in the West Stand as well.
South Somerset Red Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Seen a few vids of them at half time with menu boards floating around the concourse. Hardly worth getting knickers in a twist.
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Aaron-Bcfc said: The clubs own fault, rather than having stewards in the away end they thought they'd use 30+ stewards to segregate home fans from other home fans. Complete and utter joke. Very curious to know the justification for that. Never seen anything like it with the away support so far away. Already asked on another thread - but the Leeds fans used 3 smoke bombs yesterday - 2 of which landed on the pitch. When this happened against Barnsley and our fans threw a couple of smoke bombs, there was a full inquest with talk of bannings and police involvement. I fully expect then that the club will be taking identical measures to catch and punish the Leeds fans who committed such an unthinkable crime? *for the record I like smoke bombs, but wouldn’t want any double standards
Hampshire reds Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Surely hey have cctv in the atyeo stand. With the reputation Leeds have why give them so many tickets. Imo asking for trouble.
internetjef Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Olé said: Yeah, I saw them too. I think Mark Morrison was in the West Stand as well. Ha this is a pretty niche gag. Can only presume you are a big fan Ole? Ha
RedLionLad Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 43 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said: Surely hey have cctv in the atyeo stand. With the reputation Leeds have why give them so many tickets. Imo asking for trouble. You're not a businessman then.......
BigTone Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 5 hours ago, havanatopia said: I defer to Northern Red. I defer to Havana who in turn defers to Northern Red
BigTone Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 1 minute ago, WTFiGO!?! said: I defer to Big Tone who.... Thanks for de referral
wendyredredrobin Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Did the smokebombs damage the pitch? There was a black mark in the penalty area after one was removed. And how about charging the Leeds player for the assault on Matty Taylor and claiming damages for a broken nose as well? if we were the sags, we would also want a replay too.
Andy082005 Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 6 hours ago, Aaron-Bcfc said: The clubs own fault, rather than having stewards in the away end they thought they'd use 30+ stewards to segregate home fans from other home fans. Complete and utter joke. Yeah I saw that. What was all that about?
handsofclay Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Olé said: Yeah, I saw them too. I think Mark Morrison was in the West Stand as well. Yeah, that's so annoying when big people stand up at the front blocking the view of those sat in a dozen or so rows behind them. That being said, I can't blame the steward for sitting this one out.
Red-Robbo Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Think they ran out of sausage rolls... What a bunch of silly Yorkshire puddings. Their team won fair and square, but their repulsive fans makes me hope they bottle promotion. Again.
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 I think their support is a bit overrated vocally too. Sure, 'Marching On Together' was very loud a few times - but overall I thought their songs were a bit sporadic and there wasn't the variation you'd expect for a club like theirs. I think Sheffield Wednesday have far better away support as another bigger club that travels well. I must say though It was impressive to see 100% (bar the disabled area) of Leeds fans stood for the entire game. I wish our fans did that away from home.
Verloc Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: Very curious to know the justification for that. Never seen anything like it with the away support so far away. Already asked on another thread - but the Leeds fans used 3 smoke bombs yesterday - 2 of which landed on the pitch. When this happened against Barnsley and our fans threw a couple of smoke bombs, there was a full inquest with talk of bannings and police involvement. I fully expect then that the club will be taking identical measures to catch and punish the Leeds fans who committed such an unthinkable crime? *for the record I like smoke bombs, but wouldn’t want any double standards Radrizzani (our owner) was not impressed with the flares/smoke bombs. Said on twitter yesterday that LUFC will be fined - money that could have been used for social projects. If individuals are identified they will be prosecuted and receive banning orders. It happened at our away cup-tie at Sunderland the other year.
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Verloc said: Radrizzani (our owner) was not impressed with the flares/smoke bombs. Said on twitter yesterday that LUFC will be fined - money that could have been used for social projects. I like them personally - I think they look great and add to the atmosphere. I wish someone would invent a 'safe' solution - water vapour or something. My problem really is with our club's response. Against Barnsley at home, a few fans released some after we scored in a 3-0 win. Club representatives came on here reading the riot act threatening bannings, police involvement etc - a total overreaction in my opinion. We now have searches at games specifically for smoke devices, CCTV trained on our supporters to catch them out and constant reminders about the harsh punishments for releasing them. The least I expect from our club is consistency in their response and the same scrutiny to away fans given the grief home supporters get. Congratulations on the result yesterday @Verloc, we played poorly and had some unfortunate injuries but you beat us pretty easily and played well in my opinion.
Verloc Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I like them personally - I think they look great and add to the atmosphere. I wish someone would invent a 'safe' solution - water vapour or something. My problem really is with our club's response. Against Barnsley at home, a few fans released some after we scored in a 3-0 win. Club representatives came on here reading the riot act threatening bannings, police involvement etc - a total overreaction in my opinion. We now have searches at games specifically for smoke devices, CCTV trained on our supporters to catch them out and constant reminders about the harsh punishments for releasing them. The least I expect from our club is consistency in their response and the same scrutiny to away fans given the grief home supporters get. Congratulations on the result yesterday @Verloc, we played poorly and had some unfortunate injuries but you beat us pretty easily and played well in my opinion. See my edit above.
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Just now, Verloc said: See my edit above. Interesting - I don't agree with banning people for such things. Total overkill in my opinion. I just hope someone invents a safe solution. Imagine that on Dragon's Den - some geezer walks in wearing Stone Island and Adidas Gazelles - pulls out a smoke bomb and lets it off whilst singing "I'm forever blowing bubbles"
WhistleHappy Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 More concerned about the damage by Leeds that occurred on the pitch for 90mins...
Verloc Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Interesting - I don't agree with banning people for such things. Total overkill in my opinion. I just hope someone invents a safe solution. Imagine that on Dragon's Den - some geezer walks in wearing Stone Island and Adidas Gazelles - pulls out a smoke bomb and lets it off whilst singing "I'm forever blowing bubbles" I tend to agree. From memory, it was only 1 individual at Sunderland - an isolated incident. But I imagine they want to nip things in the bud. There might be a few problems if 100s started raining down onto the pitch.
paulcityfan Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Sat down in w11 for this one as I had brought a non-footy fan mate along for the experience. Saw a couple of Leeds fans need medical treatment after injuring each other during their celebrations after goal 1. They also hurt an old steward when one of them dived over the barrier. In general though I thought they were quite well behaved. For them.
UREDS_91 Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 They should have stuck a million stewards in there like they did in the singing sections. I even got told I had to sit in my allocated seat at one point. Absolute joke.
Red-Robbo Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 19 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Interesting - I don't agree with banning people for such things. Total overkill in my opinion. I just hope someone invents a safe solution. Imagine that on Dragon's Den - some geezer walks in wearing Stone Island and Adidas Gazelles - pulls out a smoke bomb and lets it off whilst singing "I'm forever blowing bubbles" That would make me watch the programme for once! In Germany, they have little fire bucket things at the back of the stands and stewards actually help fans let off flares from there. Vorsprung durch technik.
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: That would make me watch the programme for once! In Germany, they have little fire bucket things at the back of the stands and stewards actually help fans let off flares from there. Vorsprung durch technik. Germany have got the fan side of things sorted. Cheap tickets, safe standing, massive attendances and sensible solutions to things like pyro. I would love this country to get to that level..
Aaron-Bcfc Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Vincent Vega said: I'm with the club on this. If you wanted a ticket in the unreserved section, buy 1 like the rest of us did . Not as simple as that when there's only around 1000 tickets available.. Even then the area has been undersold by the club which showed today, it seemed bloody empty in there which, along with the game, added to a shite atmosphere. There's been no problems in s82 all season aside from a few smoke bombs on the opening day. So I found that heavy handed approach to our own fans disgusting.
Vincent Vega Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, Aaron-Bcfc said: Not as simple as that when there's only around 1000 tickets available.. Even then the area has been undersold by the club which showed today, it seemed bloody empty in there which, along with the game, added to a shite atmosphere. There's been no problems in s82 all season aside from a few smoke bombs on the opening day. So I found that heavy handed approach to our own fans disgusting. No , it really is that simple.
Bristol Rob Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Aaron-Bcfc said: Not as simple as that when there's only around 1000 tickets available.. Even then the area has been undersold by the club which showed today, it seemed bloody empty in there which, along with the game, added to a shite atmosphere. There's been no problems in s82 all season aside from a few smoke bombs on the opening day. So I found that heavy handed approach to our own fans disgusting. I thought the relaxed attitude towards standing and the unallocated seating meant they club were obliged to undersell those blocks.
Redmycolour Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Yipikiaye said: I spoke to a ashton gate steward this evening only briefly , told me there’s damage in the away end today by Leeds fans . Anybody see what happened ? Also what happens can the club claim cost of repairs against Leeds . Leeds will have the cost with video evidence, im sure, that's what happened when Millwall damaged away dressing room,Leeds will be held responsible for there fans actions,
grove park city Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Go to around 5.30 in the down load its not exactly a demolition riot.
onehowie Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, grove park city said: Go to around 5.30 in the down load its not exactly a demolition riot. @grove park cityJust noticed...ya beat me to it!
Vincent Vega Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 33 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: I thought the relaxed attitude towards standing and the unallocated seating meant they club were obliged to undersell those blocks. Correct.
grove park city Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, onehowie said: Just noticed...ya beat me to it! Cheated a bit was downloaded on to their WACCOE website late last night actually had a chat with a few of their fans after the match none of them expected a Leeds win and thought City were still well placed and hit Leeds on a best day performance.
YorkshireSection Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Im sorry but when we take large numbers away there is usually quite a lot more to report, the vast majority of Leeds fans seemed to behave well enough by all accounts.
David Brent Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Lew-T said: Think they ran out of sausage rolls... Grown men
David Brent Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 I don’t get why they threw the smoke bombs straight on to the pitch. Added nothing.
YorkshireSection Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 1 minute ago, David Brent said: I don’t get why they threw the smoke bombs straight on to the pitch. Added nothing. Too scared to hold them probably.
Rocking Red Cyril Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 17 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said: Really? It's not the (Leeds) clubs fault, surely they'd have to take action against the individual(s) responsible. If it was in the dressing room and it was Leeds employees I'd expect them to pay, but a club cannot be responsible for the actions of its fans. Why not
Admin Maesknoll Posted October 22, 2017 Admin Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: Why not Where would it stop? In a ground? Enroute? At the pub the night before? Surely individuals are responsible for their own actions.
Verloc Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: Where would it stop? In a ground? Enroute? At the pub the night before? Surely individuals are responsible for their own actions. Of course they are. Same applies to those who threw the smoke bombs/flares, though LUFC's owner has tweeted that the club will be fined for their actions. It's the individuals committing the acts who should be identified, prosecuted and banned if necessary.
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