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[Cjay]

Not going to turn into a bragging exercise, dont see the point in those.

I think perhaps firstly your team were surprised, your manager will have watched games etc and in the last few games we did none of the stuff we did yesterday. We stubbornly pass out from the back, when it has worked it has produced some lovely, slick attacking football, but when it hasn't we haven't adapted and it has been our downfall. Yesterday we mixed it up, there was passing it out from the back, but we wernt afraid to just launch it into spaces or towards Lasogga, that allowed us to push up and put you on the backfoot, we were pressing in numbers, Saiz, Alioski, Phillips and Lasogga would press your defence, and if they got it out to midfield then Ronaldo Vieira was on them, he never gave your midfield a moment to think what to do next, it caused you to lose possession on multiple occasions, including one in the 2nd half where we should have scored. 

The defence wasnt being pulled out of position, because they wernt chasing the ball, they were allowing O'Kane, Phillips, Vieira etc to do the chasing, the back 4 were keeping there shape and concentrating on that, meant Reid etc wasnt getting gaps and spaces to run into and make problems. Cant remember your lads name but your winger caused u a few problems, got a few crosses into the box, but we always seemed to have numbers back. You had a few chances where maybe should have done better, but by and large i thought we controlled the game and once we went in front i was confident we would win. We have gone in front 7 times in the league, won 7, scored 20, conceded 4, we often go for it early on, because if we can get our noses infront then we can play on the break, which suits us, same thing happened at Cardiff and Sheffield Weds, we had the first 15, 20 minutes, should have gone ahead but didnt, ended up losing. 

Overall, i thought 3-0 was fair, and maybe could argue you could have got 1 or 2, but then again we could have got 1 or 2 more ourselves, think you struggled with the speed of our counter attacks, and the energy and pressing that we were doing, it rattled you early on and dont think you ever recovered.

Lasogga was brilliant, thought he really dominated your defenders, which was a surprise, id said on our forum i thought he would struggle, but he showed some real skill and great movement for a big man, linking up with Saiz, Alioski and Phillips well and making sure your defenders had there hands full. 

Saiz was a threat, he is becoming a real fans favorite, his ability to retain possession is extraordinary and he moves with the ball at such pace it makes our counter attacks so much faster, also he has a great understanding with Alioski, the pair of them at times play some lovely stuff between them. 

Ronaldo Vieira though was the difference, he did not let your midfield rest, they were unable to get a comfortable bit of control over the midfield and that is largely down to Ronnie V, he chased, harassed and nibbled away at your midfielders and caused mistakes on quite a few occasions, typified by the shirt pulling incident, he was so desperate to get away because he knew there was a chance to score if he could that he dragged that player along the ground for a good while, in an age where players go down if you blow on them, that was a wonderful little moment, it showed what his overall performance was about, desire, determination and drive. 

I wouldn't be to disheartened, know what its like to get kicked in the nuts, we have had it last few games, but one defeat doesnt make a season, up until this point you have performed very well, its a blip, we all have blips, now its down to the team to make sure it stays as just a blip. 

*side note, until i read your game reviews i had no idea you had even signed Cauley Woodrow, never mind he played yesterday, didnt hear his name once. 

[ZiderEyed]

TL;DR, we're shit, they're not.

[AppyDAZE]

27 minutes ago, Cjay said:

Not going to turn into a bragging exercise, dont see the point in those.

I think perhaps firstly your team were surprised, your manager will have watched games etc and in the last few games we did none of the stuff we did yesterday. We stubbornly pass out from the back, when it has worked it has produced some lovely, slick attacking football, but when it hasn't we haven't adapted and it has been our downfall. Yesterday we mixed it up, there was passing it out from the back, but we wernt afraid to just launch it into spaces or towards Lasogga, that allowed us to push up and put you on the backfoot, we were pressing in numbers, Saiz, Alioski, Phillips and Lasogga would press your defence, and if they got it out to midfield then Ronaldo Vieira was on them, he never gave your midfield a moment to think what to do next, it caused you to lose possession on multiple occasions, including one in the 2nd half where we should have scored. 

The defence wasnt being pulled out of position, because they wernt chasing the ball, they were allowing O'Kane, Phillips, Vieira etc to do the chasing, the back 4 were keeping there shape and concentrating on that, meant Reid etc wasnt getting gaps and spaces to run into and make problems. Cant remember your lads name but your winger caused u a few problems, got a few crosses into the box, but we always seemed to have numbers back. You had a few chances where maybe should have done better, but by and large i thought we controlled the game and once we went in front i was confident we would win. We have gone in front 7 times in the league, won 7, scored 20, conceded 4, we often go for it early on, because if we can get our noses infront then we can play on the break, which suits us, same thing happened at Cardiff and Sheffield Weds, we had the first 15, 20 minutes, should have gone ahead but didnt, ended up losing. 

Overall, i thought 3-0 was fair, and maybe could argue you could have got 1 or 2, but then again we could have got 1 or 2 more ourselves, think you struggled with the speed of our counter attacks, and the energy and pressing that we were doing, it rattled you early on and dont think you ever recovered.

Lasogga was brilliant, thought he really dominated your defenders, which was a surprise, id said on our forum i thought he would struggle, but he showed some real skill and great movement for a big man, linking up with Saiz, Alioski and Phillips well and making sure your defenders had there hands full. 

Saiz was a threat, he is becoming a real fans favorite, his ability to retain possession is extraordinary and he moves with the ball at such pace it makes our counter attacks so much faster, also he has a great understanding with Alioski, the pair of them at times play some lovely stuff between them. 

Ronaldo Vieira though was the difference, he did not let your midfield rest, they were unable to get a comfortable bit of control over the midfield and that is largely down to Ronnie V, he chased, harassed and nibbled away at your midfielders and caused mistakes on quite a few occasions, typified by the shirt pulling incident, he was so desperate to get away because he knew there was a chance to score if he could that he dragged that player along the ground for a good while, in an age where players go down if you blow on them, that was a wonderful little moment, it showed what his overall performance was about, desire, determination and drive. 

I wouldn't be to disheartened, know what its like to get kicked in the nuts, we have had it last few games, but one defeat doesnt make a season, up until this point you have performed very well, its a blip, we all have blips, now its down to the team to make sure it stays as just a blip. 

*side note, until i read your game reviews i had no idea you had even signed Cauley Woodrow, never mind he played yesterday, didnt hear his name once. 

He's on loan and he doesn't normally start. On yesterday's you can see why. Not singling him out, we were dire everywhere.

[daored]

26 minutes ago, Cjay said:

Not going to turn into a bragging exercise, dont see the point in those.

I think perhaps firstly your team were surprised, your manager will have watched games etc and in the last few games we did none of the stuff we did yesterday. We stubbornly pass out from the back, when it has worked it has produced some lovely, slick attacking football, but when it hasn't we haven't adapted and it has been our downfall. Yesterday we mixed it up, there was passing it out from the back, but we wernt afraid to just launch it into spaces or towards Lasogga, that allowed us to push up and put you on the backfoot, we were pressing in numbers, Saiz, Alioski, Phillips and Lasogga would press your defence, and if they got it out to midfield then Ronaldo Vieira was on them, he never gave your midfield a moment to think what to do next, it caused you to lose possession on multiple occasions, including one in the 2nd half where we should have scored. 

The defence wasnt being pulled out of position, because they wernt chasing the ball, they were allowing O'Kane, Phillips, Vieira etc to do the chasing, the back 4 were keeping there shape and concentrating on that, meant Reid etc wasnt getting gaps and spaces to run into and make problems. Cant remember your lads name but your winger caused u a few problems, got a few crosses into the box, but we always seemed to have numbers back. You had a few chances where maybe should have done better, but by and large i thought we controlled the game and once we went in front i was confident we would win. We have gone in front 7 times in the league, won 7, scored 20, conceded 4, we often go for it early on, because if we can get our noses infront then we can play on the break, which suits us, same thing happened at Cardiff and Sheffield Weds, we had the first 15, 20 minutes, should have gone ahead but didnt, ended up losing. 

Overall, i thought 3-0 was fair, and maybe could argue you could have got 1 or 2, but then again we could have got 1 or 2 more ourselves, think you struggled with the speed of our counter attacks, and the energy and pressing that we were doing, it rattled you early on and dont think you ever recovered.

Lasogga was brilliant, thought he really dominated your defenders, which was a surprise, id said on our forum i thought he would struggle, but he showed some real skill and great movement for a big man, linking up with Saiz, Alioski and Phillips well and making sure your defenders had there hands full. 

Saiz was a threat, he is becoming a real fans favorite, his ability to retain possession is extraordinary and he moves with the ball at such pace it makes our counter attacks so much faster, also he has a great understanding with Alioski, the pair of them at times play some lovely stuff between them. 

Ronaldo Vieira though was the difference, he did not let your midfield rest, they were unable to get a comfortable bit of control over the midfield and that is largely down to Ronnie V, he chased, harassed and nibbled away at your midfielders and caused mistakes on quite a few occasions, typified by the shirt pulling incident, he was so desperate to get away because he knew there was a chance to score if he could that he dragged that player along the ground for a good while, in an age where players go down if you blow on them, that was a wonderful little moment, it showed what his overall performance was about, desire, determination and drive. 

I wouldn't be to disheartened, know what its like to get kicked in the nuts, we have had it last few games, but one defeat doesnt make a season, up until this point you have performed very well, its a blip, we all have blips, now its down to the team to make sure it stays as just a blip. 

*side note, until i read your game reviews i had no idea you had even signed Cauley Woodrow, never mind he played yesterday, didnt hear his name once. 

Thank you for your comments. We were without several first team players yesterday, whilst we were poor you were ecvellent. 

Number 21 Saiz is some player , ran the game and unfortunately we didn’t get close to him 

[marmite]

26 minutes ago, Cjay said:

Not going to turn into a bragging exercise, dont see the point in those.

I think perhaps firstly your team were surprised, your manager will have watched games etc and in the last few games we did none of the stuff we did yesterday. We stubbornly pass out from the back, when it has worked it has produced some lovely, slick attacking football, but when it hasn't we haven't adapted and it has been our downfall. Yesterday we mixed it up, there was passing it out from the back, but we wernt afraid to just launch it into spaces or towards Lasogga, that allowed us to push up and put you on the backfoot, we were pressing in numbers, Saiz, Alioski, Phillips and Lasogga would press your defence, and if they got it out to midfield then Ronaldo Vieira was on them, he never gave your midfield a moment to think what to do next, it caused you to lose possession on multiple occasions, including one in the 2nd half where we should have scored. 

The defence wasnt being pulled out of position, because they wernt chasing the ball, they were allowing O'Kane, Phillips, Vieira etc to do the chasing, the back 4 were keeping there shape and concentrating on that, meant Reid etc wasnt getting gaps and spaces to run into and make problems. Cant remember your lads name but your winger caused u a few problems, got a few crosses into the box, but we always seemed to have numbers back. You had a few chances where maybe should have done better, but by and large i thought we controlled the game and once we went in front i was confident we would win. We have gone in front 7 times in the league, won 7, scored 20, conceded 4, we often go for it early on, because if we can get our noses infront then we can play on the break, which suits us, same thing happened at Cardiff and Sheffield Weds, we had the first 15, 20 minutes, should have gone ahead but didnt, ended up losing. 

Overall, i thought 3-0 was fair, and maybe could argue you could have got 1 or 2, but then again we could have got 1 or 2 more ourselves, think you struggled with the speed of our counter attacks, and the energy and pressing that we were doing, it rattled you early on and dont think you ever recovered.

Lasogga was brilliant, thought he really dominated your defenders, which was a surprise, id said on our forum i thought he would struggle, but he showed some real skill and great movement for a big man, linking up with Saiz, Alioski and Phillips well and making sure your defenders had there hands full. 

Saiz was a threat, he is becoming a real fans favorite, his ability to retain possession is extraordinary and he moves with the ball at such pace it makes our counter attacks so much faster, also he has a great understanding with Alioski, the pair of them at times play some lovely stuff between them. 

Ronaldo Vieira though was the difference, he did not let your midfield rest, they were unable to get a comfortable bit of control over the midfield and that is largely down to Ronnie V, he chased, harassed and nibbled away at your midfielders and caused mistakes on quite a few occasions, typified by the shirt pulling incident, he was so desperate to get away because he knew there was a chance to score if he could that he dragged that player along the ground for a good while, in an age where players go down if you blow on them, that was a wonderful little moment, it showed what his overall performance was about, desire, determination and drive. 

I wouldn't be to disheartened, know what its like to get kicked in the nuts, we have had it last few games, but one defeat doesnt make a season, up until this point you have performed very well, its a blip, we all have blips, now its down to the team to make sure it stays as just a blip. 

*side note, until i read your game reviews i had no idea you had even signed Cauley Woodrow, never mind he played yesterday, didnt hear his name once. 

Fair reflection Cjay. Thought you were the better team yesterday and deserved your win. You caught us on an off day and exploited that. Wherever you finish in the table I think we will finish above you so you are welcome to second spot!  Good support from your fans although its easy when you are winning.

[Lanterne Rouge]

33 minutes ago, Cjay said:

 

Ronaldo Vieira though was the difference, he did not let your midfield rest, they were unable to get a comfortable bit of control over the midfield and that is largely down to Ronnie V, he chased, harassed and nibbled away at your midfielders and caused mistakes on quite a few occasions, typified by the shirt pulling incident, he was so desperate to get away because he knew there was a chance to score if he could that he dragged that player along the ground for a good while, in an age where players go down if you blow on them, that was a wonderful little moment, it showed what his overall performance was about, desire, determination and drive. 

 

Completely agree with this. It was a complete midfield performance from him (even though it wasn`t against our best midfield by any means but you can only play what`s in front of you) and he just ran the show. I`d give my left bollock for someone like him in our side.

[redcherryberry]

Yes you deserved victory but let's not forget who City had out. Baker, Smith & Patterson are crucial to us & any team would miss quality like that in this division. Diedhiou fitness wise has to managed thus benched (no doubt with one eye on Tuesday as well) but again another crucial player as he starts our high pressing game with his work rate. Bad day at the office for us but we'll done Leeds. 

[David Brent]

Without reading all of that, I don’t think enough was made about the weather conditions yesterday. Yes, it was the same for both teams but Leeds were equally poor at 2-0 up.

We never recovered from that poor start and it was never going to be pretty after that.

Leeds were the better team of course but we’ve been as good as them and they’ve been as bad as us this season.

[Ska Junkie]

25 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Completely agree with this. It was a complete midfield performance from him (even though it wasn`t against our best midfield by any means but you can only play what`s in front of you) and he just ran the show. I`d give my left bollock for someone like him in our side.

I have to agree, Viera was superb yesterday, the best player on the park IMHO. I gather he doesn't normally play, WTF??

[wendyredredrobin]

Could have been a different game had we not conceded so early and the ref done something about the fact that every time a city player went forward, he was held, kicked or tripped.

[Ska Junkie]

17 minutes ago, redcherryberry said:

Yes you deserved victory but let's not forget who City had out. Baker, Smith & Patterson are crucial to us & any team would miss quality like that in this division. Diedhiou fitness wise has to managed thus benched (no doubt with one eye on Tuesday as well) but again another crucial player as he starts our high pressing game with his work rate. Bad day at the office for us but we'll done Leeds. 

That's pretty much our 'spine' but no excuses from me, we were well beaten yesterday.

[Offside]

Fair reflection of the game in the OP. I thought Leeds' number 9 (Lasogga?) was a handful for our defence all afternoon, something our forward players weren't.

I hope it's a long time until we see City play that badly again.

[JoeAman08]

Leeds were good value. They’ve got better pedigree players in a lot of positions. That said, it’s the case most weeks and why I won’t argue Leeds were good on the day and we were poor, we were nowhere near full strength. So @Cjay don’t think less of our team. The 3 players we were missing are undoubtedly the heart and soul of the squad. Shame we have to rely so much on them. Maybe could’ve gotten away without one but Baker, Paterson and Smith being out was far too big a loss. Paterson os basically our Saiz. I think Baker would walk into your back 4 while Smith is a true defensive midfielder who would’ve broken up some of your good play in the middle of the park. Again, well done to your lot. Needed the win and performance just don’t want people think we’ve had a fluke start. Would’ve been a much different game and I’m a bit disappointed we didn’t get to see it that way. 

[Cjay]

2 hours ago, AppyDAZE said:

He's on loan and he doesn't normally start. On yesterday's you can see why. Not singling him out, we were dire everywhere.

Ah, yeah i mean i genuinely had no idea he was on the pitch. 

Why didnt Diedhiou start?

[Cjay]

2 hours ago, daored said:

Thank you for your comments. We were without several first team players yesterday, whilst we were poor you were ecvellent. 

Number 21 Saiz is some player , ran the game and unfortunately we didn’t get close to him 

Thanks, think thats probably fair, you wernt at your best and we were somewhere near ours. 

Saiz has been a star, we have a Man of The Match thread on our forum, points added up, Saiz has twice more then 2nd placed and already more then anyone else last season.  

[Cjay]

2 hours ago, marmite said:

Fair reflection Cjay. Thought you were the better team yesterday and deserved your win. You caught us on an off day and exploited that. Wherever you finish in the table I think we will finish above you so you are welcome to second spot!  Good support from your fans although its easy when you are winning.

The Leeds away fans are great, utmost respect for them, some are reading this so they will be pleased by your comments, thanks. 

[Cjay]

2 hours ago, Red Right Hand said:

Completely agree with this. It was a complete midfield performance from him (even though it wasn`t against our best midfield by any means but you can only play what`s in front of you) and he just ran the show. I`d give my left bollock for someone like him in our side.

Maybe so, as you say, can only play whats in front of you, but in Ronnies defense i believe that was his first league start this season, so makes it even more impressive, i'd give my right one to keep him in ours  

[AppyDAZE]

6 minutes ago, Cjay said:

Ah, yeah i mean i genuinely had no idea he was on the pitch. 

Why didnt Diedhiou start?

You'd have to ask Lee.

[Cjay]

2 hours ago, redcherryberry said:

Yes you deserved victory but let's not forget who City had out. Baker, Smith & Patterson are crucial to us & any team would miss quality like that in this division. Diedhiou fitness wise has to managed thus benched (no doubt with one eye on Tuesday as well) but again another crucial player as he starts our high pressing game with his work rate. Bad day at the office for us but we'll done Leeds. 

Did wonder why Diedhiou didnt start, seen him a few times, good player. 

Fair point on the other 3, same time we had Jansson, Hernandez, Dallas and the new lad Klich who didnt play or wern't even in the squad though, all ifs and buts i suppose. 

[Lanterne Rouge]

1 minute ago, Cjay said:

Did wonder why Diedhiou didnt start, seen him a few times, good player. 

Fair point on the other 3, same time we had Jansson, Hernandez, Dallas and the new lad Klich who didnt play or wern't even in the squad though, all ifs and buts i suppose. 

The one that I was surprised about was Kemar Roofe. Does he normally start on the bench?

[Cjay]

2 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Could have been a different game had we not conceded so early and the ref done something about the fact that every time a city player went forward, he was held, kicked or tripped.

Alioski was caught late quite a few times, Saiz was kicked and tripped, and Ronnie nearly had his shirt stolen. 

[Cjay]

2 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

I have to agree, Viera was superb yesterday, the best player on the park IMHO. I gather he doesn't normally play, WTF??

He has a long term niggly knee injury, it was confirmed as the reason by him today, so he is being managed it seems. 

[Cjay]

2 hours ago, Offside said:

Fair reflection of the game in the OP. I thought Leeds' number 9 (Lasogga?) was a handful for our defence all afternoon, something our forward players weren't.

I hope it's a long time until we see City play that badly again.

Thanks on Lasoggas behalf, he got a bit of stick last weekend so im pleased for him 

[Cjay]

1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

Leeds were good value. They’ve got better pedigree players in a lot of positions. That said, it’s the case most weeks and why I won’t argue Leeds were good on the day and we were poor, we were nowhere near full strength. So @Cjay don’t think less of our team. The 3 players we were missing are undoubtedly the heart and soul of the squad. Shame we have to rely so much on them. Maybe could’ve gotten away without one but Baker, Paterson and Smith being out was far too big a loss. Paterson os basically our Saiz. I think Baker would walk into your back 4 while Smith is a true defensive midfielder who would’ve broken up some of your good play in the middle of the park. Again, well done to your lot. Needed the win and performance just don’t want people think we’ve had a fluke start. Would’ve been a much different game and I’m a bit disappointed we didn’t get to see it that way. 

Paterson is the lad who plays on the wing? Think i watched you on tele recently and he did well, tricky and pacey. 

At times this season you would probably walk into our back 4 mate tbh, but read the Villa forums quite a bit and they sing Bakers praises so im sure he was a big miss, but at the same time, we had Pontus on the bench tbf. 

And that sounds like Smith is sort of your Vieira? that probably would have helped a lot, someone to keep a closer eye on Saiz? 

No, ive watched you at times and seen some good stuff, and think we getting a bit to far into the season to say anyone is having a fluke start, got to be quality in all these teams around the playoffs somewhere. 

[Cjay]

15 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

You'd have to ask Lee.

Managing fitness someone said here, maybe thats it. 

[AppyDAZE]

Just now, Cjay said:

Managing fitness someone said here, maybe thats it. 

True

[Cjay]

11 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

The one that I was surprised about was Kemar Roofe. Does he normally start on the bench?

Completely forgot about Roofe, sorry Kemar 

He has started quite a few times, with mixed results, divides the fan base. 

But he is largely behind the trio of Alioski, Saiz and Hernandez. 

[cider-manc]

Footballs a funny game.

First half I didn't think Leeds were all that but they were 2-0 up... mostly down to our defensive ineptitude. 

Second half I thought Leeds were fantastic.... yet only took one chance and that was from a set play. Mercifully their failure to convert other chances saved us from real embarrassment. 

They definitely deserved the win. We never really looked like we were in the game. Having said that you know it's not your day and you aren't going to turn it around when your top goal scorer goes clean through... Misjudges the bounce and then falls over.

 

[Lanterne Rouge]

4 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

 

How unfortunate, what good are two left bollocks to someone?

In case you lose one. Duh!

[Packman]

We would have won 6-3 had the referee given the stonewall pen on leko.

[Cjay]

13 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Indeed, but the tone was set when one of our players was kicked 2 feet into the air about 5 minutes in.

 

Regardless, your win was deserved.

Fair enough. 

Cant argue about that, i didn't get a stream till about 20minutes in.

And thanks 

[1960maaan]

I said elsewhere, I thought you were decent not much more,  but that was all you needed and you were easily the better side.
We missed Baker (centre back) more than I think anyone would have realised , this was made worse by (IMO) poor selection of replacements. The defence has been brilliant this year and yet looked like rabbits in the headlights at times.  Conceding an early goal just made any doubts worse , it's a shame we have a talent through the years , to save a poor performance for bigger games. 
I thought the Ref gave a lot of soft free kicks to you, we could have had a pen and the sending off was a disgrace (ours that is). That said by some of the noise coming from your lot you weren't impressed with him either.

[Cjay]

30 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I said elsewhere, I thought you were decent not much more,  but that was all you needed and you were easily the better side.
We missed Baker (centre back) more than I think anyone would have realised , this was made worse by (IMO) poor selection of replacements. The defence has been brilliant this year and yet looked like rabbits in the headlights at times.  Conceding an early goal just made any doubts worse , it's a shame we have a talent through the years , to save a poor performance for bigger games. 
I thought the Ref gave a lot of soft free kicks to you, we could have had a pen and the sending off was a disgrace (ours that is). That said by some of the noise coming from your lot you weren't impressed with him either.

Id sort of agree, we wernt at our best, our best performance was against Forest away from home (or Burton at home), interestingly we only beat Forest 2-0 but it could have easily been 6-0, was as close to a perfect an away performance as you could get that day, just without the cutting edge.

Did notice Baker wasnt playing, as had highlighted him and Flint as being able to cope with Lasogga on our forum, which worried me, would he have made a difference? i dont know, Lasogga had probably his best game for us against you.  

Everyone has off games though, we were yours, we raised our game, you didnt, happens. 

Cant agree on the ref, i missed a bit of the game, stream dipping out and not finding it till half way through the first half, but i saw quite a few shirt pulls and trips (attempted and successful) from you guys, so dont think the ref was biased to us at all. 

Dont remember seeing a penalty claim, but that could have been when my stream failed or before i got it, vaguely remember hearing something about one though. 

Berardi was stupid, no question, but then Taylor was stupid in the first place reacting how he did to a fairly innocuous challenge, he went looking for a reaction, Berardi isnt the type to back down, totally the wrong player to try and square up to. Tbh on first watch it didnt look that bad, seen it since and it was dumb, but was still surprised he broke his nose.As for Taylor cant decide if he deserved a red, maybe a yellow, but the way he reacted could be classed as Violent Conduct,aggressive conduct offensive language (we dont know what he said), all 3 sending off offences. He may have been unlucky, but the situation was his fault in the first place,. 

[Cjay]

Question from one of our forum regulars, was at yours for the match, goes to many games, Leeds through and through. 

Ask them what did they think of the noise our fans create & are they surprised by the number of supporters we take to away matches even on a Tuesday night ?

 

 

[David Brent]

8 minutes ago, Cjay said:

Question from one of our forum regulars, was at yours for the match, goes to many games, Leeds through and through. 

Ask them what did they think of the noise our fans create & are they surprised by the number of supporters we take to away matches even on a Tuesday night ?

 

 

Not a great deal. Expected more from 3.5k tbh.

Not surprised at the numbers you take though, there are Leeds fans everywhere.

[1960maaan]

9 minutes ago, Cjay said:

Question from one of our forum regulars, was at yours for the match, goes to many games, Leeds through and through. 

Ask them what did they think of the noise our fans create & are they surprised by the number of supporters we take to away matches even on a Tuesday night ?

 

 

Apart from a few noisy 'MoT's' I was a bit surprised at the lack of noise. I know people take the piss "Leeds would have taken more'etc , but you always travel well . Never surprised how many , always expect a good turn out.

As for Taylor , I agree stupid to react like that for a trip. I don't think he had Time to say much, from the trip to the headbutt he couldn't have said much, then he was busy holding his nose, which I must admit I thought he was putting on at the time. Bit swollen was the word from a player on Twitter a.bout his nose so there was contact

[SedRA]

26 minutes ago, Cjay said:

 

Did notice Baker wasnt playing, as had highlighted him and Flint as being able to cope with Lasogga on our forum, which worried me, would he have made a difference? i dont know, Lasogga had probably his best game for us against you.  

 

I have personally been thinking Baker is probably our best player. A lot of people give Flint the attention because of his attacking threat but Baker, for me is up there as one of the best 3 CBs in the division. Positioning, reading of the game, tackling, heading, composure on and off the ball, all of it right up there and he's v consistent.

Without him Flint isn't the same player, as I think Baker is commanding the line. The two of them together are immense but without him Flinty often looks lost and error prone.

 

 

 

[Cjay]

13 minutes ago, RedSA said:

I have personally been thinking Baker is probably our best player. A lot of people give Flint the attention because of his attacking threat but Baker, for me is up there as one of the best 3 CBs in the division. Positioning, reading of the game, tackling, heading, composure on and off the ball, all of it right up there and he's v consistent.

Without him Flint isn't the same player, as I think Baker is commanding the line. The two of them together are immense but without him Flinty often looks lost and error prone.

 

 

 

Certainly rated on the Villa forum is Baker, maybe a bit more mobile than Flint?  Could have helped with Lasoggas movement.

Was watching Flint as a kind potential signing since we were interested apparently, wasnt impressed.

Slow, not great reading of the game, looked nervous, didnt dominate and bully at set pieces, defensive or offensive, thats certainly something i expected. 

[SedRA]

51 minutes ago, Cjay said:

Certainly rated on the Villa forum is Baker, maybe a bit more mobile than Flint?  Could have helped with Lasoggas movement.

Was watching Flint as a kind potential signing since we were interested apparently, wasnt impressed.

Slow, not great reading of the game, looked nervous, didnt dominate and bully at set pieces, defensive or offensive, thats certainly something i expected. 

Bakers a lot more mobile than Flint, plus his positioning and his reading of the game is excellent so he doesn't need to use 'mobility' as much in the first place. 

A good example, Saturday one of your players was one on one with Flint as last man and Aden looked panicky, back pedalling, and looking like he might trip over himself, leading to you having a decent chance. Same thing against Burton the week before and Baker calmly and strongly holds the player up, sheppards him out to the wing and let's the other defenders get back and they crowded him off the ball.

Different calibre of player to me. Flint does have some great games and normally gives it his all. Saturday looked like he did on our poor run last season. Nervy, unsure positionally and error prone. 

We can be decent defensively without Baker, but it's much more hit and miss and dependant on the type of team we're up against. But I guarantee you would have had a much tougher game with Baker in the team. Apparently he got injured trying some silly trick in training 

Still though, full credit to you guys, totally deserved your win. To me it looked like you beat us at our own game - high energy, lots of pressure on the ball, scrapping and fighting to pick up all the second balls and then breaking on us whilst we're not set. Shame we weren't at it for whatever reason, would've made for a much more exciting game. But as it was, we rolled over for you, which was dissapointing. 

[Major Isewater]

8 hours ago, Cjay said:

Question from one of our forum regulars, was at yours for the match, goes to many games, Leeds through and through. 

Ask them what did they think of the noise our fans create & are they surprised by the number of supporters we take to away matches even on a Tuesday night ?

 

 

Could you just mix your chants up a bit ? Was too repetitive.

[RedM]

8 hours ago, RedSA said:

Bakers a lot more mobile than Flint, plus his positioning and his reading of the game is excellent so he doesn't need to use 'mobility' as much in the first place. 

A good example, Saturday one of your players was one on one with Flint as last man and Aden looked panicky, back pedalling, and looking like he might trip over himself, leading to you having a decent chance. Same thing against Burton the week before and Baker calmly and strongly holds the player up, sheppards him out to the wing and let's the other defenders get back and they crowded him off the ball.

Different calibre of player to me. Flint does have some great games and normally gives it his all. Saturday looked like he did on our poor run last season. Nervy, unsure positionally and error prone. 

We can be decent defensively without Baker, but it's much more hit and miss and dependant on the type of team we're up against. But I guarantee you would have had a much tougher game with Baker in the team. Apparently he got injured trying some silly trick in training 

Still though, full credit to you guys, totally deserved your win. To me it looked like you beat us at our own game - high energy, lots of pressure on the ball, scrapping and fighting to pick up all the second balls and then breaking on us whilst we're not set. Shame we weren't at it for whatever reason, would've made for a much more exciting game. But as it was, we rolled over for you, which was dissapointing. 

Got yo agree with this. I'm a huge Flint fan but he had his poorest game for a while on Saturday. Normally whe he does things it's very noticeable as there is a split second where you get 'will he, won't he' get it right. With Baker it's much, much more smooth, you just don't notice him, he's seamless.. But ruddy hell you notice him when he's not there, and we missed him so much it hurt.

 

[Coombsy]

10 hours ago, Cjay said:

Question from one of our forum regulars, was at yours for the match, goes to many games, Leeds through and through. 

Ask them what did they think of the noise our fans create & are they surprised by the number of supporters we take to away matches even on a Tuesday night ?

 

 

What did you lot think of the new ground ?

I was disappointed with your noise I thought burton on a Tuesday night was better 

[TV Tom]

9 hours ago, Cjay said:

Certainly rated on the Villa forum is Baker, maybe a bit more mobile than Flint?  Could have helped with Lasoggas movement.

Was watching Flint as a kind potential signing since we were interested apparently, wasnt impressed.

Slow, not great reading of the game, looked nervous, didnt dominate and bully at set pieces, defensive or offensive, thats certainly something i expected. 

You are bang on about Flint, gets a lot of attention because of all the goals he scores, don’t get me wrong, he is a true legend for us but Baker is by far the better centre half

[Cjay]

7 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Could you just mix your chants up a bit ? Was too repetitive.

http://www.motforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34686&start=120

Rather then me going back and forth, thought easier if just put the link of our forum thread where all this is going. 

[Cjay]

15 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

Apart from a few noisy 'MoT's' I was a bit surprised at the lack of noise. I know people take the piss "Leeds would have taken more'etc , but you always travel well . Never surprised how many , always expect a good turn out.

As for Taylor , I agree stupid to react like that for a trip. I don't think he had Time to say much, from the trip to the headbutt he couldn't have said much, then he was busy holding his nose, which I must admit I thought he was putting on at the time. Bit swollen was the word from a player on Twitter a.bout his nose so there was contact

Yeah, ive watched it a few times and there wasnt much movement from Berardi, but there was movement so cant argue that he didnt deserve a red, you could argue about Taylors red all day, there are reasons for and against. 

 

[Cjay]

5 hours ago, Coombsy said:

What did you lot think of the new ground ?

I was disappointed with your noise I thought burton on a Tuesday night was better 

There should be a response to that on our thread soon, link is down the bottom somewhere, not so much time to go back and forth on a weekday 

Edit. Response came faster then expected so i will be helpful :laugh:.

It use to be a run-down ground, now Ashton Gate is really nice stadium & obviously set up for premiership football in the future. No doubt their owners will look to enclosed the stadium in one of the corners at the away end which I think is the South Stand. The wind & rain blew through that gap on Saturday which sent several Bristol fans to the left of us scuttling for cover when the storm reached it's peak. I was very impressed with their stadium 

 

[Cjay]

14 hours ago, RedSA said:

Bakers a lot more mobile than Flint, plus his positioning and his reading of the game is excellent so he doesn't need to use 'mobility' as much in the first place. 

A good example, Saturday one of your players was one on one with Flint as last man and Aden looked panicky, back pedalling, and looking like he might trip over himself, leading to you having a decent chance. Same thing against Burton the week before and Baker calmly and strongly holds the player up, sheppards him out to the wing and let's the other defenders get back and they crowded him off the ball.

Different calibre of player to me. Flint does have some great games and normally gives it his all. Saturday looked like he did on our poor run last season. Nervy, unsure positionally and error prone. 

We can be decent defensively without Baker, but it's much more hit and miss and dependant on the type of team we're up against. But I guarantee you would have had a much tougher game with Baker in the team. Apparently he got injured trying some silly trick in training 

Still though, full credit to you guys, totally deserved your win. To me it looked like you beat us at our own game - high energy, lots of pressure on the ball, scrapping and fighting to pick up all the second balls and then breaking on us whilst we're not set. Shame we weren't at it for whatever reason, would've made for a much more exciting game. But as it was, we rolled over for you, which was dissapointing. 

Flint sounds a bit like most center backs in this division. 

A solid player at this level, nothing more, nothing less, has his good games but also has his shockers, but he gives his all and the fans respect that. 

Think that describes most cbs in The Championship, a few are to good for this division, but the majority arent. 

Seems Baker may help mask Flints own short comings, and perhaps Flint does the same together, thats why they work as a pair, but one without the other to cover for there shortcomings and they look a much poorer player for it?

We had similar last season, Pontus and Bartley are both great at this level (perhaps to good) but thats a mater of opinion, as a pair they were one of the best, individually they were both one of the best cbs in the league. But for some reason one without the other always seemed a bit dodgy, Bartley especially never seemed like he was quite as comfortable without Pontus beside him, he wasnt bad, just he would make mistakes, and do things he wouldn't normally when Pontus was there. 

[Cjay]

14 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

Flint is incredibly overrated on here, but if you dare to say he is anything other than perfect then it also automatically gets twisted into you saying he is totally useless.

He's just an average quality CB for this league who scores a bit more frequently than other defenders, however is also very prone to mistakes.

Sounds like our Captain, Liam Cooper is an average CB for this league, but he doesnt score much. 

So from what you guys are saying, apart from the extra goals there isnt likely to be much difference between the pair? 

Cooper can be slow, poor game intelligence, naive, reckless etc.

But on the odd occasion he can be very good. 

[SedRA]

2 hours ago, Cjay said:

Flint sounds a bit like most center backs in this division. 

A solid player at this level, nothing more, nothing less, has his good games but also has his shockers, but he gives his all and the fans respect that. 

Think that describes most cbs in The Championship, a few are to good for this division, but the majority arent. 

Seems Baker may help mask Flints own short comings, and perhaps Flint does the same together, thats why they work as a pair, but one without the other to cover for there shortcomings and they look a much poorer player for it?

We had similar last season, Pontus and Bartley are both great at this level (perhaps to good) but thats a mater of opinion, as a pair they were one of the best, individually they were both one of the best cbs in the league. But for some reason one without the other always seemed a bit dodgy, Bartley especially never seemed like he was quite as comfortable without Pontus beside him, he wasnt bad, just he would make mistakes, and do things he wouldn't normally when Pontus was there. 

I'd say Flint needs Baker but not the other way round. Baker is an all round quality CB, one of the best in the division as the majority of Villa fans also feel.