RedNight Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 25 minutes ago, reddogkev said: Totally agree, gives them the chance to turn the atmosphere in their favour. Our fans allowed that to happen. We still have 22,000 more than them ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manon Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: Nothing to do with how many away fans there are at Ashton Gate or any ground. If it was all down to crowd numbers, then how have we won 6 times away from home this season! Away from home we have 80%? Of the crowd against us, at home we have 10-15% against us. That's more than slightly flawed. It's a factual statement to say that teams perform better at home. Something which has been tested and proven by hundreds of teams for over a hundred years! Clearly, the more the balance is tipped towards nullifying that advantage, the more you reduce the likelihood of your success. Giving the whole end to the league leaders more than leveled the playing field imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 27 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Was it the Wolves fans who made Frankie go charging out of his box and get sent off? As that’s what cost us the points today, not the allocation of tickets. 12 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: Nothing to do with how many away fans there are at Ashton Gate or any ground. If it was all down to crowd numbers, then how have we won 6 times away from home this season! Away from home we have 80%? Of the crowd against us, at home we have 10-15% against us. It's interesting that you're both making a connection between size/quality of support versus results, when i have made no such connection - perhaps you could explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Really don’t think it matters. We should be able to out sing any away support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Stick them in the roof of the Lansdown imo, bit like Newcastle do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Been saying this for ages. Either the club totally buys into the marginal gains thing or it doesn’t. Having vociferous 3000+ away fans behind a goal isn’t going to help the home team. In my opinion, both ends of the ground should be home support with the away support tucked high up like Newcastle or in a corner near a noisy end. They should be somewhere with a shallow rake where it’s harder to create an atmosphere. The logical place would be the lower lansdown. The club - understandably I guess - want to keep the 3/4 bowl intact. Real shame how the stadium was designed in this respect. Statistically I’m sure we seem to score more goals at the south stand end - no evidence for that but perhaps further evidence of the benefit from having home fans behind a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 54 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Never, never, never again should a club come to Ashton Gate and be given the entire Atyeo stand as an allocation. Completely unacceptable especially as the game was a sell-out. We give Man U a couple of thousand and those ******* the whole stand?!?! Sorry, but hopefully lesson learnt after this evening... I’ve not read the rest of the thread, but I’m pretty sure that If we’d bothered singing more than the odd occasion, then it really wouldn’t have mattered! Our support was poor tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Been saying this for ages. Either the club totally buys into the marginal gains thing or it doesn’t. Having vociferous 3000+ away fans behind a goal isn’t going to help the home team. In my opinion, both ends of the ground should be home support with the away support tucked high up like Newcastle or in a corner near a noisy end. They should be somewhere with a shallow rake where it’s harder to create an atmosphere. The logical place would be the lower lansdown. The club - understandably I guess - want to keep the 3/4 bowl intact. Real shame how the stadium was designed in this respect. Statistically I’m sure we seem to score more goals at the south stand end - no evidence for that but perhaps further evidence of the benefit from having home fans behind a goal. Couldn't agree more. LJ talked about flashing things up on the advertising hoardings to indicate tactical changes to the team, he's all over this kind of thing, and you have to assume it makes a difference. There has to be discussion going on off the pitch about this after tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: I’ve not read the rest of the thread, but I’m pretty sure that If we’d bothered singing more than the odd occasion, then it really wouldn’t have mattered! Our support was poor tonight. Wasn't poor where I was sat, but I'd rather have total silence than a loud away following dominating the atmosphere. Can't help the players, especially at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red84 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 '4k+ of them larging it like it's a cup game' - this is the problem too. When the away support does go over a certain amount there's also an intimidation factor that goes alongside it in and outside of the ground. I remember Cotterill once saying about how these gains can affect the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I only watched on tv and appreciate that sky set their microphones in a way which skews the true picture but the atmosphere didn’t sound great today. Heard Wolves fans singing ‘is this a library’ and going ‘shhhhh’ etc. Was the atmosphere that bad? Bit of a poor show if we can’t generate a good atmosphere for a top of the table clash at a sold out AG.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 minute ago, ZiderEyed said: Wasn't poor where I was sat, but I'd rather have total silence than a loud away following dominating the atmosphere. Can't help the players, especially at home. Away support will only dominate Home support if the Home support is quiet. Point proved..?! One of the worst home atmospheres of the season imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red84 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: I’ve not read the rest of the thread, but I’m pretty sure that If we’d bothered singing more than the odd occasion, then it really wouldn’t have mattered! Our support was poor tonight. I had a ticket for the game but couldn't make it. The atmosphere sounded decent until the last 10-15 mins on tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: Away support will only dominate Home support if the Home support is quiet. Point proved..?! One of the worst home atmospheres of the season imo. Would you not say it's better to have away fans in a place where it's harder for them to make an atmosphere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Just now, red84 said: I had a ticket for the game but couldn't make it. The atmosphere sounded decent until the last 10-15 mins on tv. You can’t tell on tv, with the mic control. Weolves support was excellent. Ours was below average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Would you not say it's better to have away fans in a place where it's harder for them to make an atmosphere? No. I relish a big away following. Usually spurs us on. Tonight it didn’t fior some reason. Hey ho. Just saying what I heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: No. I relish a big away following. Usually spurs us on. Tonight it didn’t fior some reason. Hey ho. Just saying what I heard. Fair enough, can't say I've ever seen it spur us on, and some more cynical than me might've said it carried them over the line. All about opinions and that I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Fair enough, can't say I've ever seen it spur us on, and some more cynical than me might've said it carried them over the line. All about opinions and that I guess. I think a deflection off of Pack and Flint falling over was more to blame. Maybe it was their support. If so, then fair play, because our support was poor tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 13 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: I’ve not read the rest of the thread, but I’m pretty sure that If we’d bothered singing more than the odd occasion, then it really wouldn’t have mattered! Our support was poor tonight. It's very unlike you to degrade our support mate. I mean your time is usually spent telling us that City fans should be paying top prices to watch their team. Man of the people, you are not. You have obviously done very well in life and money comes easy for you (I suspect neither assertion is true) however to claim our support was poor tonight is embarrassing. And it certainly wasn't helped by 4k Wolfies being given free reign at one end of the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 If the influence of the performance of the fans is really the biggest factor influencing the outcome of the game, then why weren't we all sacked when the team went on THAT record running string of defeats??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Mad Cyril said: If the influence of the performance of the fans is really the biggest factor influencing the outcome of the game, then why weren't we all sacked when the team went on THAT record running string of defeats??? Difference is that a really loud following can push a team on and help drag them over the line, don't think quietness will make a team play worse. Theres a reason that Anfield used to be such a hard to place to go to and get a result. Or we could just sack everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: It's very unlike you to degrade our support mate. I mean your time is usually spent telling us that City fans should be paying top prices to watch their team. Man of the people, you are not. You have obviously done very well in life and money comes easy for you (I suspect neither assertion is true) however to claim our support was poor tonight is embarrassing. And it certainly wasn't helped by 4k Wolfies being given free reign at one end of the ground. I struggle to make ends meet for me and my 3 year old son. If you must know. That doesn’t mean that I’m unrealistic about pricing and even I can afford a season ticket. I didn’t say tonight was poor. It could, however, have been a hell of a lot better. I don’t think we need to cry about 3.5k away fans outsinging id, WHEN we do our bit. I’m sure you’ll also have noticed many other previous post stating how good our support usually is, whilst others are knocking it.! Tonight it wasn’t as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aslanovic Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Every away game I attend we out sing the home crowd. Just the way it is, away day is more of a party - especially if you're top of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 45 minutes ago, Manon said: That's more than slightly flawed. It's a factual statement to say that teams perform better at home. Something which has been tested and proven by hundreds of teams for over a hundred years! Clearly, the more the balance is tipped towards nullifying that advantage, the more you reduce the likelihood of your success. Giving the whole end to the league leaders more than leveled the playing field imo. That’s fair enough, but I’ve been to hundreds of away games, in quite a few of these we have had good and large followings, often having entire ends. It never stopped us from losing far more than we won though!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, cidercity1987 said: Maybe if the 22,000 others sang a little louder... look we all know if you have travelled hundreds of miles and gone to the trouble to attend an away match you seem to take it more seriously, it's human nature we do it when we travel away it's what makes it the reason most of us do it, it just means more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 To those who are quite happy with the club gifting over 4,000 tickets behind the goal to away teams I wonder if that applies to the Sheffield United game later in the season and also the play-offs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: To those who are quite happy with the club gifting over 4,000 tickets behind the goal to away teams I wonder if that applies to the Sheffield United game later in the season and also the play-offs? Maybe if we give them half the Dolman as well , it will crank the atmosphere up even more as our fans will respond more Jobs a good un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 We ended up in the Lansdown tonight - not by choice. It was like a morgue in there. No one sings, or gets behind the team.Why? Then you look down on the away fans? Prawn sandwich brigade - get behind the team ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Remember a big away game at Stoke years ago, when they restrictred the BCFC away following (under Pulis’s request was the rumour circulating), so we lost, and Stoke went ON to promotion. Where have Stoke been for the last few years? nuff said!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 46 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: To those who are quite happy with the club gifting over 4,000 tickets behind the goal to away teams I wonder if that applies to the Sheffield United game later in the season and also the play-offs? Kid we is going up automatically pal!!! Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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