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.....I fear that is our playoff hopes gone.

Firstly, with only a handful of games to go it keeps us well adrift of the play offs with certain teams above us and just below us really hitting form whilst we are playing poorly.

Secondly,  we will not go up, and don't deserve to go up, not being unable to beat the poorer or average teams in the Championship such as Ipswich and before dreadful results v Burton, Bolton and Sunderland.

Some folks will be pleased we are just 'safe' and it would all be 'too soon' but personally I am really ragged off that we were so close and playing so well and for a number of reasons we have cocked up.

Manager inexperience is a major factor in my opinion. 

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I think injuries mainly- key and squad players out medium-long term.

Second comes luck and game management.

Depth? I think we've made some errors in the market, but our depth is not too bad overall- it is just hard when you have your record signing and first reserve striker, your main RB and people like this out for a prolonged period. Plus players who can come on in short bursts, e.g. Hegeler or O'Neil to help close or slow tempo of game.

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"don't deserve to go up"

If we get in the play offs and go up then yes, we will deserve to go up.

I think there is a 25% chance of us reaching the play offs this season, and it is doable but must beat the tractor boys Saturday but after that awful performance last night I think it could well be a draw.

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I don't think anyone is only happy about this season, it's tinged with disappointment where we have slipped post Christmas, but if you look at what we have achieved over the season it is positive.

But I do agree that play offs are looking unlikely, especially if we don't win against the likes of Ipswich at home.

While some of that is undoubtedly because of inexperience from Johnson, what do you expect? He's human, he won't get every decision right and if he was, he wouldn't be with us anyway. The business plan involves Johnson learning and developing (as a coach and manager) as well as the group he's leading. Hopefully the group and LJ hit their stride in the division at the right time which is likely a season or two away yet. Here's hoping!

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It’s impoosible to say “IF we don’t win this game or that game”

It all depends on results in other games. 

We could lose to Ipswich, but remain just 3? Points off the play offs. 

We certainly need to start winning games again and the games against Boro, Millwall, Brentford & Sheffield are currently games that we can’t really afford to lose. 

There are still 27 points to play for, so nothing’s going to be decided just yet. 

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36 minutes ago, CheddarReds said:

I don't think anyone is only happy about this season, it's tinged with disappointment where we have slipped post Christmas, but if you look at what we have achieved over the season it is positive.

But I do agree that play offs are looking unlikely, especially if we don't win against the likes of Ipswich at home.

While some of that is undoubtedly because of inexperience from Johnson, what do you expect? He's human, he won't get every decision right and if he was, he wouldn't be with us anyway. The business plan involves Johnson learning and developing (as a coach and manager) as well as the group he's leading. Hopefully the group and LJ hit their stride in the division at the right time which is likely a season or two away yet. Here's hoping!

I agree that we can feel reasonably optimistic about the future, it's been a pretty enjoyable season even if we don't make the play-offs. However, I'm not comfortable with the idea of LJ's inexperience. He clocks up 5 years as a manager/ head coach this weekend. Yes, he's young but 5 years in the same type of work, given he's been in football all his working life, is a fair bit of experience. Still gaining experience maybe, as anyone does over the years in any job.

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1 hour ago, Top Robin said:

.....I fear that is our playoff hopes gone.

Firstly, with only a handful of games to go it keeps us well adrift of the play offs with certain teams above us and just below us really hitting form whilst we are playing poorly.

Secondly,  we will not go up, and don't deserve to go up, not being unable to beat the poorer or average teams in the Championship such as Ipswich and before dreadful results v Burton, Bolton and Sunderland.

Some folks will be pleased we are just 'safe' and it would all be 'too soon' but personally I am really ragged off that we were so close and playing so well and for a number of reasons we have cocked up.

Manager inexperience is a major factor in my opinion. 

Somebody posted a similar ‘if we don’t win the next game’ comment before the Burton game.....before the Preston game.....before the Wednesday game.  It’s not over until it’s over, we win Saturday and Boro loose it’s game on again, we lose and boro lose it’s no change, it will go to at least the 2nd to last game I think.  Granted we need to pick up some wins but there are many variables

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1 hour ago, Top Robin said:

.....I fear that is our playoff hopes gone.

Some folks will be pleased we are just 'safe' and it would all be 'too soon' but personally I am really ragged off that we were so close and playing so well and for a number of reasons we have cocked up.

Manager inexperience is a major factor in my opinion. 

Another who simply doesn't get it..............:facepalm:

It's a ""work in progress"

Regardless of where City finish this season it will still have been a very impressive and successful one.

Semi - final of the EFL cup, beating PL clubs long the way and losing twice to injury time winners against a team who won it and are pissing the Premier League by a distance.

A far better league position playing some great stuff and who are a joy to watch. LJ is developing our own identify but like a good things it doesn't happen overnight.

Stop whinging and complaining about what has been our best season for ages.

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A lot of comments placing blame on LJ, but shouldn't the players shoulder some of the responsibility for some of the questionable team and inividual performances on the pitch during the 90 minutes? 

Promotion/strong teams are based on everyone pulling in the same direction and giving 100% so surely blame or reasons for this current form sits with all.

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2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I think injuries mainly- key and squad players out medium-long term.

Second comes luck and game management.

Depth? I think we've made some errors in the market, but our depth is not too bad overall- it is just hard when you have your record signing and first reserve striker, your main RB and people like this out for a prolonged period. Plus players who can come on in short bursts, e.g. Hegeler or O'Neil to help close or slow tempo of game.

Everyone makes mistakes in the market. I think ours is magnified because we had such a small squad when LJ first took over. I know some use this as a stick to beat LJ with(he has had money) but I think it was mostly neccesity. 

Think depth wise we were still pretty ok but LJ’s lack of faith in some players was our downfall. He should have been making a few changes to that core XI that gave us the cup run. From October to January a very steady team and I am sure that was why we succeeded but it wore players down and we still had a few around to help. Vyner and Kelly could have played against lower teams spelling Bryan, Baker and Wright. Eliasson and Woodrow(yes Woodrow, could do a job if played in the right position) could have spelled Reid, Paterson and Brownhill. I’d argue with a few more minutes we may have seen different sides to them and they could have added to the squad. As it is, we don’t really know if they could help us.

So yea I don’t think he has utilised the tools he has at his disposal. Also talked about this with how he sets up tactically against the teams that sit behind the ball. We have different options that he has refused to use. Example Eliasson stays wide and has a lovely whipped cross on him who I think could create a chance or two against a team like Burton. Instead LJ keeps the same team who have won their plaudets playing the ball on the floor through the middle and pressing. 

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2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

We don't support either club so what's your point?

My point is they will both finish above us after just coming up. Impressive when you think of the money a team like Millwall haven’t spent. We’re on a bit of a nosedive and I’m not looking forward to the result when we play Millwall. I can honestly see us getting turned right over up there. 

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3 hours ago, RidgeRed said:

I agree that we can feel reasonably optimistic about the future, it's been a pretty enjoyable season even if we don't make the play-offs. However, I'm not comfortable with the idea of LJ's inexperience. He clocks up 5 years as a manager/ head coach this weekend. Yes, he's young but 5 years in the same type of work, given he's been in football all his working life, is a fair bit of experience. Still gaining experience maybe, as anyone does over the years in any job.

Agree to a certain extent and if/when mistakes have/are made again that's an issue, but with how quickly the game evolves 20 years in management can still not be enough experience to get it all right. It was only last night on BT Sport Mourinho's tactics were questioned on whether they are now outdated. 

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8 minutes ago, Bryans Left Peg said:

But more impressive than Sunderland, Burton, Brum, Barnsley, Bolton, Reading, Sheff Weds, Hull, Forest, QPR, Norwich, Leeds, Ipswich, Brentford..... etc

 

What's your point here?

We got Hull at home soon. Fancy our chances do you?

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3 minutes ago, swanker said:

My point is they will both finish above us after just coming up. Impressive when you think of the money a team like Millwall haven’t spent. We’re on a bit of a nosedive and I’m not looking forward to the result when we play Millwall. I can honestly see us getting turned right over up there. 

If we miss out on the pray offs then so what?   :dunno: 

Very few of us were expecting to have such a good season - despite all the long term injuries and yet some still feel the To whinge and complain...........:facepalm:

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Redandwhitescarf said:

It appears to be the norm before any game now to have a negative spin on the forthcoming game. We should be talking up the club and the players rather than having 22 (and counting) responses to topics such as this. 

We talked our chances up ahead of Sunderland at home the other week, as I recall. Which might go some way to explaining your first sentence there

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1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

Everyone makes mistakes in the market. I think ours is magnified because we had such a small squad when LJ first took over. I know some use this as a stick to beat LJ with(he has had money) but I think it was mostly neccesity. 

That’s actually a very good point, and needs to be factored in.  I’d forgotten that when I said something along the lines of "it feels a bit like a numbers games".

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4 hours ago, Top Robin said:

.....I fear that is our playoff hopes gone.

Firstly, with only a handful of games to go it keeps us well adrift of the play offs with certain teams above us and just below us really hitting form whilst we are playing poorly.

Secondly,  we will not go up, and don't deserve to go up, not being unable to beat the poorer or average teams in the Championship such as Ipswich and before dreadful results v Burton, Bolton and Sunderland.

Some folks will be pleased we are just 'safe' and it would all be 'too soon' but personally I am really ragged off that we were so close and playing so well and for a number of reasons we have cocked up.

Manager inexperience is a major factor in my opinion. 

Think you are right mate Saturday while not must win does feel as though it is.

yep I also agree with manager inexperience but pleased with progress this year..we will finish 8th or 9th imo and I would have taken that all day long I’m august with an amazing cup run and beating 4 prem teams along the way.

for me it has also been my most enjoyable season watching city bar 89-90 in my time following since 85.

i worry about hanging on to our best players and think if we don’t go up flint and Bryan will go in the summer big losses but 15m will be a tidy amount to reinvest.

i believe in the plan long term so enjoying the ride.

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31 minutes ago, swanker said:

My point is they will both finish above us after just coming up. Impressive when you think of the money a team like Millwall haven’t spent. We’re on a bit of a nosedive and I’m not looking forward to the result when we play Millwall. I can honestly see us getting turned right over up there. 

not sure how you can say they WILL both finish above us, are you the next Dr who.

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17 minutes ago, Robbored said:

If we miss out on the pray offs then so what?   :dunno: 

Very few of us were expecting to have such a good season - despite all the long term injuries and yet some still feel the To whinge and complain...........:facepalm:

 

 

 

If we miss out on the playoffs? If we make the playoffs I’ll eat my hat. I admit we’ve had a run of hard game and injuries, but we’re okay now. I’m not whinging I’m disappointed with some of our performance. For example that bloke who scored a wonder goal against us for Bolton hasn’t scored since. Now there’s a shocker. 

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3 hours ago, Robbored said:

Another who simply doesn't get it..............:facepalm:

It's a ""work in progress"

Regardless of where City finish this season it will still have been a very impressive and successful one.

Semi - final of the EFL cup, beating PL clubs long the way and losing twice to injury time winners against a team who won it and are pissing the Premier League by a distance.

A far better league position playing some great stuff and who are a joy to watch. LJ is developing our own identify but like a good things it doesn't happen overnight.

Stop whinging and complaining about what has been our best season for ages.

Robbo you polarise opinions but this is spot on...I am enjoying steady progress 

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8 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Seeing as you already know this as an absolute certainty, what where the results of our games (and theirs) for the rest of the season)

Might as well make some money off of that knowledge.

 

Or, have you asserted your pessimistic view as a fact?

It’s not a fact just a probability mate. I’ll be there Saturday, but all my opptamism has gone. We’ve become limp!

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4 minutes ago, tinman85 said:

I won't be making the trip on Sat. After watching that excuse of a performance at Burton we have no hope. Funny how everyone else beats crappy Burton and we come close to losing to them. So poor. 

 

4 minutes ago, swanker said:

It’s not a fact just a probability mate. I’ll be there Saturday, but all my opptamism has gone. We’ve become limp!

You two are the ficklest of the fickle.

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7 minutes ago, tinman85 said:

I won't be making the trip on Sat. After watching that excuse of a performance at Burton we have no hope. Funny how everyone else beats crappy Burton and we come close to losing to them. So poor. 

 

3 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Everyone except Sheffield Wednesday, Barnsley, Norwich, Ipswich, Forest, Reading, Bolton, Brentford for starters.

So thats 1/3 of the division minimum.

They beat Cardiff (away), Millwall & Fulham too off the top of my head.

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3 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

Absolutely everything is LJs fault. From Wenger becoming less successful at Arsenal, to the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and the resulting World War.

Surely he's to blame for more than that?! :whistle:

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I agree that failure to win will make a massive dent in our chances of making the playoffs. 

I'm pretty certain, however, that the season will be remembered for some excellent performances, beating Man Utd and decent final league position.

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6 hours ago, Top Robin said:

.....I fear that is our playoff hopes gone.

Firstly, with only a handful of games to go it keeps us well adrift of the play offs with certain teams above us and just below us really hitting form whilst we are playing poorly.

Secondly,  we will not go up, and don't deserve to go up, not being unable to beat the poorer or average teams in the Championship such as Ipswich and before dreadful results v Burton, Bolton and Sunderland.

Some folks will be pleased we are just 'safe' and it would all be 'too soon' but personally I am really ragged off that we were so close and playing so well and for a number of reasons we have cocked up.

Manager inexperience is a major factor in my opinion. 

It ain’t over until it’s mathematically impossible for us to make the play offs....but yep, it’s been very disappointing to see the post Xmas slump, especially as the eyes of the football world were on us due to the cup run...LJ was being cited as a ‘forward thinking young coach’ and our style of play was being lauded far and wide with many observers saying we gave Man City their hardest game of the season...but then it all seems to have imploded somewhat and we’ve been generally woeful in 2018....big shame...

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21 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Much more, those are just two examples from the top of a list that goes from "Aardman Animations warehouse burning down" to "Zebra hunting"

Other notable entries are 9/11, the extinction of Dinosaurs, global warming and Malaria.

 

Some say that the original versions of The Bible actually said "Lee Johnson" instead of "The Devil".

I hear he's in the frame for the Salisbury nerve agent attack....

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19 minutes ago, BanburyRed said:

I hear he's in the frame for the Salisbury nerve agent attack....

Should have been easy enough to carry out. 

 

 

For someone who invented & spread the AIDS virus. 

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8 hours ago, Top Robin said:

.....I fear that is our playoff hopes gone.

Firstly, with only a handful of games to go it keeps us well adrift of the play offs with certain teams above us and just below us really hitting form whilst we are playing poorly.

Secondly,  we will not go up, and don't deserve to go up, not being unable to beat the poorer or average teams in the Championship such as Ipswich and before dreadful results v Burton, Bolton and Sunderland.

Some folks will be pleased we are just 'safe' and it would all be 'too soon' but personally I am really ragged off that we were so close and playing so well and for a number of reasons we have cocked up.

Manager inexperience is a major factor in my opinion. 

Haven't they gone already. Other teams are grinding out results when they count. But we cannot seem to deliver when the pressure is on.. As worrying is the current run of form or lack of it that LJ seems unable to turn around.

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11 hours ago, Top Robin said:

.....I fear that is our playoff hopes gone.

Firstly, with only a handful of games to go it keeps us well adrift of the play offs with certain teams above us and just below us really hitting form whilst we are playing poorly.

Secondly,  we will not go up, and don't deserve to go up, not being unable to beat the poorer or average teams in the Championship such as Ipswich and before dreadful results v Burton, Bolton and Sunderland.

Some folks will be pleased we are just 'safe' and it would all be 'too soon' but personally I am really ragged off that we were so close and playing so well and for a number of reasons we have cocked up.

Manager inexperience is a major factor in my opinion. 

Message to the OP..... "There is a difference between you and me. We both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back at us… you blinked." - BATMAN

I'm going for us to beat Ipswich and finish in 6th spot with 75pts.... Looking at Derby's run in, I reckon that they'll be the ones from the current top 6 to miss out...

COYR's!!

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9 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

Much more, those are just two examples from the top of a list that goes from "Aardman Animations warehouse burning down" to "Zebra hunting"

Other notable entries are 9/11, the extinction of Dinosaurs, global warming and Malaria.

 

Some say that the original versions of The Bible actually said "Lee Johnson" instead of "The Devil".

You’re becoming evangelical on here mate, over zealous.  You remind me of a quote by Yosser Hughes. “ Some people talk to themselves and others talk out their arse” you’re boring so bore off. 

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13 hours ago, Loco Rojo said:

A lot of comments placing blame on LJ, but shouldn't the players shoulder some of the responsibility for some of the questionable team and inividual performances on the pitch during the 90 minutes? 

Promotion/strong teams are based on everyone pulling in the same direction and giving 100% so surely blame or reasons for this current form sits with all.

What frustrates me even more is that Cardiff lost 4 in a row at the end of December and because Warnock is a wily and experienced manager they turned that slump around..........something we are struggling to do.

Many may dislike him but you can't argue with his managerial skills.

 

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16 hours ago, RUSSEL85 said:

"don't deserve to go up"

If we get in the play offs and go up then yes, we will deserve to go up.

I think there is a 25% chance of us reaching the play offs this season, and it is doable but must beat the tractor boys Saturday but after that awful performance last night I think it could well be a draw.

Agree , the argument about do we deserve to go up is interesting. Our form has certainly dropped off but by the same token , with the possible exception of Wolves not one team has been consistent all season. 

Fulham’s form to an extent has been the opposite of ours , awful at the start but strong now. Do they not deserve promotion?

Who goes up / down is judged over the season , all teams will have good / bad runs it’s the team that’s most consistent over the whole season that deserve to go or down 

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I don't think we need solely to beat Ipswich, I feel that we have to get 6 points from the next 2 games.  This is also to restore players' confidence and belief.

I'd be very happy with a win and a draw, but 2 wins would put us back on track for securing the top 6 place we desire.

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16 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

Everyone makes mistakes in the market. I think ours is magnified because we had such a small squad when LJ first took over. I know some use this as a stick to beat LJ with(he has had money) but I think it was mostly neccesity. 

Think depth wise we were still pretty ok but LJ’s lack of faith in some players was our downfall. He should have been making a few changes to that core XI that gave us the cup run. From October to January a very steady team and I am sure that was why we succeeded but it wore players down and we still had a few around to help. Vyner and Kelly could have played against lower teams spelling Bryan, Baker and Wright. Eliasson and Woodrow(yes Woodrow, could do a job if played in the right position) could have spelled Reid, Paterson and Brownhill. I’d argue with a few more minutes we may have seen different sides to them and they could have added to the squad. As it is, we don’t really know if they could help us.

So yea I don’t think he has utilised the tools he has at his disposal. Also talked about this with how he sets up tactically against the teams that sit behind the ball. We have different options that he has refused to use. Example Eliasson stays wide and has a lovely whipped cross on him who I think could create a chance or two against a team like Burton. Instead LJ keeps the same team who have won their plaudets playing the ball on the floor through the middle and pressing. 

Agreed in general- Walsh, Kent are 2 more examples, and of course Vyner and Kelly 2 more who could have been used more and used better IMO.

Eliason another too, like you say whipped crosses- still losing quite a few key and squad players as we had, really didn't help.

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6 hours ago, Robert the bruce said:

Then the pressure will really be on for you next season...

Why? I can understand the players and management feeling pressure but why would the supporters?

Is it wrong to just enjoy football?

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4 hours ago, reddogkev said:

I don't think we need solely to beat Ipswich, I feel that we have to get 6 points from the next 2 games.  This is also to restore players' confidence and belief.

I'd be very happy with a win and a draw, but 2 wins would put us back on track for securing the top 6 place we desire.

To get 6th IMO need 76 points so 5 wins and a draw from remaining games and one loss . However this division is so unpredictable . I reckon it will go to last game . We still have a chance of 6th , win all remaining home games and one away draw should do it .  

Can do this 

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1 hour ago, BCFC_Dan said:

Why? I can understand the players and management feeling pressure but why would the supporters?

Is it wrong to just enjoy football?

Stupid question. 

 

Joking aside, I rarely enjoy football when watching City , the tension is often too much .

 I can enjoy the match afterwards, the skills on show and sometimes the result. 

I can watch games where City aren't implicated but the lack of emotional connection makes the experience a bit tepid .

In fact I now realise that I don't like football.

:blink:

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