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This is assuming we’re still in the championship. What do we think the likelihood of seeing Vyner, Kelly, Bryan and Reid all starting as regulars next season? Vyner is getting rave reviews from Plymouth and they are doing extremely well right now, his next step should be regular championship football. Kelly again is holding his own at this level, see no reason why he can’t be tested over the next 8 games and pre season, bobby and joe we already know are capable of playing at this level. So could we see all 4 playing together next season? Would be one hell of an achievement for our academy if they do. 

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5 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

If we don't get promoted I would say there is more chance of both Reid and Bryan being sold than both being here next season.

Unfortunately true it would seem, assuming anyone who wants them can afford our valuations. Let's just hope it doesn't come to that!!

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6 minutes ago, Maggersno1Fan said:

Bryan,Baker, Flint, Reid & Brownhill probably be gone.

I’m not so sure. Assuming we are still in this division, then can’t see them going to a rival, so only Prem clubs. 

We will try for top dollar and I think that will put off the types of clubs who would spend that much on a Champ player. I think Prem clubs would be surprised how some of the above would do, but why “risk” £10m on Bryan or £15m on Reid when you can pay half of that for some European who you’ve no idea will settle in this country or the top flight!!!  

Im not saying 1 maybe 2 off your lust won’t go but I don’t see a mass exodus. 

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If Reid goes...who does anyone suggest to replace, that has that engine, rate of scoring, and triggers our pressing game so well?

I can't see anyone in the Championship that does the same. He is fundamental to the way we play imo.

He's the 'Trigger'...he shows the energy needed to everyone else around him.

Could see this sometime son ;-)

------------------------------------------------FF/Another------------------------------------------------

Pisano----------------------Vyner-----------------------------Baker--------------------------Kelly

Odowda-------------------Brownhill-----------------------Pack-----------------------------Pato

-----------------------------------------Reid------------------Duric-----------------------------------------

 

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13 minutes ago, spudski said:

If Reid goes...who does anyone suggest to replace, that has that engine, rate of scoring, and triggers our pressing game so well?

I can't see anyone in the Championship that does the same. He is fundamental to the way we play imo.

He's the 'Trigger'...he shows the energy needed to everyone else around him.

Could see this sometime son ;-)

------------------------------------------------FF/Another------------------------------------------------

Pisano----------------------Vyner-----------------------------Baker--------------------------Kelly

Odowda-------------------Brownhill-----------------------Pack-----------------------------Pato

-----------------------------------------Reid------------------Duric-----------------------------------------

 

Just a question; could Brownhill or Paterson become the next Bobby Reid?

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1 minute ago, mozo said:

Just a question; could Brownhill or Paterson become the next Bobby Reid?

Who knows mate...you'd have to try it in training to find out. Both have energy...but not as much as Reid imo.

I think Tammy Abraham had a massive influence on Bobby...although younger, he showed him how much extra effort is needed in games to make a difference and that extra step up.

Up until then, I think Bobby had a slight attitude of that he'd made it and done enough.

Just goes to show what can happen, when you get positive and influential people around you.

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14 minutes ago, Maggersno1Fan said:

I think Baker off going by his attitude after January window closed.

its a dangerous game to play with players & not letting them move on 

What is this baffle your talking about?

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Add to this that our profile will have improved massively this season - the giant killing cup run, attractive football, bright young coach, impressive modern stadium, young squad with academy players coming through. I think all this adds up to being able to continually attract better players - home grown and foreign - who will want to be part of this 'project', which in turn will help persuade the current players we would like to keep stay as they will see the chances of us making the top flight becoming more likely.

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1 hour ago, spudski said:

If Reid goes...who does anyone suggest to replace, that has that engine, rate of scoring, and triggers our pressing game so well?

I can't see anyone in the Championship that does the same. He is fundamental to the way we play imo.

He's the 'Trigger'...he shows the energy needed to everyone else around him.

Could see this sometime son ;-)

------------------------------------------------FF/Another------------------------------------------------

Pisano----------------------Vyner-----------------------------Baker--------------------------Kelly

Odowda-------------------Brownhill-----------------------Pack-----------------------------Pato

-----------------------------------------Reid------------------Duric-----------------------------------------

 

No Wright? LJ’s chosen club captain? Any particular reason for that, as I’d think LJ trusts him ahead of Baker given his injury history.

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34 minutes ago, Fodbarmyarmy said:

Not all Bristol boys i know but the likes of Morrel and taylor moore and hinds and Mc Clousky will be knocking....hard...

Think we should be looking to get Morrell and Moore into league one loans, Plymouth if they stay down....

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1 hour ago, Maggersno1Fan said:

I think Baker off going by his attitude after January window closed.

its a dangerous game to play with players & not letting them move on 

What are you referring to? There wasn’t any rumours about Baker in January. Players don’t tend to move after 6 months when occupying a playoff spot anyway.

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35 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

No Wright? LJ’s chosen club captain? Any particular reason for that, as I’d think LJ trusts him ahead of Baker given his injury history.

I meant to write...'soon' rather than 'son'...my mistake.

We'll have two players for most places, or players that are able to adapt. Vyner, Wright, Baker, Mags, Flint, Hegeler...all players that can play CB.

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3 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Excuse my ignorance on this. Which players in the academy now are making big impressions . Who will be the next Lloyd Kelly 

Rory Holden.

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2 hours ago, spudski said:

If Reid goes...who does anyone suggest to replace, that has that engine, rate of scoring, and triggers our pressing game so well?

I can't see anyone in the Championship that does the same. 

 

Exactly. I think you’ve just put an approximate valuation on him. If Kodjia was worth £14m then Ried is worth more. He must be the most complete forward in the Championship. I’ll start the bidding at £20m. Much more than LJ’s original valuation of £5m 

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As supporters of our great club it should fill us with pride that finally Bristol Boys are making it at our club. 

LJ has been key in the fact, another manager chases instant success and would have brought in players to replace players like Bobby Read and Joe Bryan who have just needed the time and coaching to grow into the players they have become. 

Getting young players out on loan and playing the men’s game will improve them quicker than academe matches its great that the club are doing this. 

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4 hours ago, mozo said:

Just a question; could Brownhill or Paterson become the next Bobby Reid?

Or both of them. Neither will be able to replicate Reid's energy over the full game, full season, but they can be managed and rotated between them to cover him. 

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2 hours ago, pongo88 said:

Exactly. I think you’ve just put an approximate valuation on him. If Kodjia was worth £14m then Ried is worth more. He must be the most complete forward in the Championship. I’ll start the bidding at £20m. Much more than LJ’s original valuation of £5m 

If he had 3 years left on his contract then £20 million would be about right.

Trouble is his contract is up in the summer but we have an option of another year.  Unless he signs a contract, his price is going to be diminished and he will be in a strong negotiating position, possibly the strongest any player has been in the history of the club. It will be interesting to see what happens.  One suspects he is being paid less than some players in the squad who have contributed little to nothing and that has to wrankle.  If he does sign a contract he will be our highest ever paid player you would expect.  

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9 hours ago, Maggersno1Fan said:

Bryan,Baker, Flint, Reid & Brownhill probably be gone.

I think you'll find that as "possibly" one or two.

So since when has there been any remote suggestion by anyone at BCFC that they'll sell half the first team?

For this to happen either a) more money than God has to be offered or b) none of those mentioned are willing to play for BCFC again ........both as unlikely as each other.

It may be that JB goes due to the emergence of Lloyd Kelly and the fact that Joe has immediate Premiership potential but the others are very good Championship players who would likely be as expensive to replace as the amount they're sold for.

Bobby Reid has had one great season in the Championship but I'm not sure if he'd be a first choice striker in the Prem for any team other than us . But another season like this and he's gone.

 

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10 hours ago, spudski said:

If Reid goes...who does anyone suggest to replace, that has that engine, rate of scoring, and triggers our pressing game so well?

I can't see anyone in the Championship that does the same. He is fundamental to the way we play imo.

He's the 'Trigger'...he shows the energy needed to everyone else around him.

Could see this sometime son ;-)

------------------------------------------------FF/Another------------------------------------------------

Pisano----------------------Vyner-----------------------------Baker--------------------------Kelly

Odowda-------------------Brownhill-----------------------Pack-----------------------------Pato

-----------------------------------------Reid------------------Duric-----------------------------------------

 

I’d always find a place for Korey Smith if I was the manager...

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11 hours ago, spudski said:

Who knows mate...you'd have to try it in training to find out. Both have energy...but not as much as Reid imo.

I think Tammy Abraham had a massive influence on Bobby...although younger, he showed him how much extra effort is needed in games to make a difference and that extra step up.

Up until then, I think Bobby had a slight attitude of that he'd made it and done enough.

Just goes to show what can happen, when you get positive and influential people around you.

this is the first time I'm seen someone post this thought on Abraham influencing Reid and something ive thought all season too.

I would be more than happy if we offered Chelsea a big wedge of diony proposed fee for his services again next season, him djuric and bobby in behind would be awesome

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14 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

I think you'll find that as "possibly" one or two.

So since when has there been any remote suggestion by anyone at BCFC that they'll sell half the first team?

For this to happen either a) more money than God has to be offered or b) none of those mentioned are willing to play for BCFC again ........both as unlikely as each other.

It may be that JB goes due to the emergence of Lloyd Kelly and the fact that Joe has immediate Premiership potential but the others are very good Championship players who would likely be as expensive to replace as the amount they're sold for.

Bobby Reid has had one great season in the Championship but I'm not sure if he'd be a first choice striker in the Prem for any team other than us . But another season like this and he's gone.

 

I think that Bryan, Flint and Reid will definitely be gone this summer. 

If Reid was going to stay he would have been looking at signing a new contract by now. He is amongst the top scorers in this division and whatever his fee it will be peanuts to a Premier League club and worth a punt, even if he gets stuck on the bench and rots like Scott Sinclair did at Man City.

Others that could be gone are Smith and Pack.

 I think O'Neil could be released in the summer too.

If we reach the playoffs and go up it might be a different story, but I would be very surprised if there wasn't a lot of movement in the summer following our TV and Cup exploits this year.

 

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8 minutes ago, Cheesleysmate said:

I think that Bryan, Flint and Reid will definitely be gone this summer. 

If Reid was going to stay he would have been looking at signing a new contract by now. He is amongst the top scorers in this division and whatever his fee it will be peanuts to a Premier League club and worth a punt, even if he gets stuck on the bench and rots like Scott Sinclair did at Man City.

Others that could be gone are Smith and Pack.

 I think O'Neil could be released in the summer too.

If we reach the playoffs and go up it might be a different story, but I would be very surprised if there wasn't a lot of movement in the summer following our TV and Cup exploits this year.

I'm actually starting to get worried about BR's contract and that he might leave on a free/bosman. Do we have an extra year option in his contract, and if we do, does he have to agree to it being triggered?

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2 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

I'm actually starting to get worried about BR's contract and that he might leave on a free/bosman. Do we have an extra year option in his contract, and if we do, does he have to agree to it being triggered?

There is an extra year option.  It quite sure how it gets triggered? 

Pretty sure he would have played enough games. 

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5 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

I'm actually starting to get worried about BR's contract and that he might leave on a free/bosman. Do we have an extra year option in his contract, and if we do, does he have to agree to it being triggered?

Bobby going after this season would be bad.

Bobby going for free would be a disaster.

Surely we can up his wages enough between now & the end of the season to encourage to sign a new contract. You would hope that as a City fan, he can see the importance of us getting a fee for him after all this time of supporting him through from the academy.

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9 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Bobby going after this season would be bad.

Bobby going for free would be a disaster.

Surely we can up his wages enough between now & the end of the season to encourage to sign a new contract. You would hope that as a City fan, he can see the importance of us getting a fee for him after all this time of supporting him through from the academy.

Not sure if it's even likely, but I'd thought with such a short time left on his contract we'd be trying to reward the divisions joint top goalscorer with a massive new contract befitting his role in the side.

Would be an unbelievable loss.

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2 hours ago, Cheesleysmate said:

I think that Bryan, Flint and Reid will definitely be gone this summer. 

If Reid was going to stay he would have been looking at signing a new contract by now. He is amongst the top scorers in this division and whatever his fee it will be peanuts to a Premier League club and worth a punt, even if he gets stuck on the bench and rots like Scott Sinclair did at Man City.

Others that could be gone are Smith and Pack.

 I think O'Neil could be released in the summer too.

If we reach the playoffs and go up it might be a different story, but I would be very surprised if there wasn't a lot of movement in the summer following our TV and Cup exploits this year.

 

I don't quite see how one relatively good season ( as it stands) in the Championship equals selling half our first team. Fair enough if we were Barnsley etc who have needed to sell to exist in the past but we are a well supported club with good facilities, a large passionate fan base and a stable ownership.We don't pay peanuts and the players seem happy to play for BCFC.

It's almost guaranteed that some will depart with the right offers/opportunities but half the team?? and none of whom are OOC? Granted that Bobby is not contracted for the long term but we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes or whether he wants to leave.

As I read it on this thread- the players most likely to leave are Reid, Brownhill, Bryan, Pack, Smith, Baker and Flint( just signed an extension to his extension). I feel sorry for Fammy, Wright, Fielding and Pisano/Maggs who have been left out.

Players come and players go but nothing Steve Lansdown has ever done would suggest he would sanction a mass exodus of all our top players in one window.Having said that, if all the offers come in are from Prem clubs and between £5-£10 million or more then who knows. Losing the entire core of our team may take us back three seasons and I can't see him allowing this.

 

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1 hour ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

I don't quite see how one relatively good season ( as it stands) in the Championship equals selling half our first team. Fair enough if we were Barnsley etc who have needed to sell to exist in the past but we are a well supported club with good facilities, a large passionate fan base and a stable ownership.We don't pay peanuts and the players seem happy to play for BCFC.

It's almost guaranteed that some will depart with the right offers/opportunities but half the team?? and none of whom are OOC? Granted that Bobby is not contracted for the long term but we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes or whether he wants to leave.

As I read it on this thread- the players most likely to leave are Reid, Brownhill, Bryan, Pack, Smith, Baker and Flint( just signed an extension to his extension). I feel sorry for Fammy, Wright, Fielding and Pisano/Maggs who have been left out.

Players come and players go but nothing Steve Lansdown has ever done would suggest he would sanction a mass exodus of all our top players in one window.Having said that, if all the offers come in are from Prem clubs and between £5-£10 million or more then who knows. Losing the entire core of our team may take us back three seasons and I can't see him allowing this.

 

If a player wants ' out ' there is little point in a club persisting with him .

My gut feeling is that several of our first teamers from the double winning squad will want to move on to new challenges if we don't go up .

Players who have given their all and are now coming into their peaks are also the type that the club would be ' happy ' to sell as the transfer fees are likely to be at their highest, which , indeed , is the avowed policy of the club.

We will see some exciting changes to the team next season whatever League we find ourselves in .

Teams evolve all the time and the advantage that we now have is a dedicated recruitment team and a professional academy and development operation which means that we're not scraping about at the last moment trying to bring players in .

 

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34 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

If a player wants ' out ' there is little point in a club persisting with him .

My gut feeling is that several of our first teamers from the double winning squad will want to move on to new challenges if we don't go up .

Players who have given their all and are now coming into their peaks are also the type that the club would be ' happy ' to sell as the transfer fees are likely to be at their highest, which , indeed , is the avowed policy of the club.

We will see some exciting changes to the team next season whatever League we find ourselves in .

Teams evolve all the time and the advantage that we now have is a dedicated recruitment team and a professional academy and development operation which means that we're not scraping about at the last moment trying to bring players in .

 

I didn't find that remotely funny in fact.... I found it quite serious.

 

Are you ok, Major? ;)

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On 3/18/2018 at 10:46, Phileas Fogg said:

Doubt it - if it happened though it would give us an enormous amount of money.

I think any or all of Reid, Bryan and Flint will get bids. Possibly Pack and Smith too.

Yes, it would. and based on past experience they'll spend it on over priced players that either never start or are sh!t

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7 hours ago, ZiderEyed said:

I'm actually starting to get worried about BR's contract and that he might leave on a free/bosman. Do we have an extra year option in his contract, and if we do, does he have to agree to it being triggered?

 

7 hours ago, Cheesleysmate said:

There is an extra year option.  It quite sure how it gets triggered? 

Pretty sure he would have played enough games. 

In most cases an additional term option (typically a year) is agreed at the outset / signing of the contract.  The terms of the contract extension option will be set.  City have the option to offer the player those terms or not.  If they do, then the contract us extended.  If they don’t, then they either try to negotiate something else or player becomes a Free-Agent in the summer.

For example....wages made-up figures

When Reid signed his contract in summer 2016, it was a 2-year Deal, with a 1-year extension option.  This allowed City a bit of protection should Reid "finally" achieve that potential, whilst not tying City into 3 years should he not.  From Reid’s point of view, its probably loaded more in City’s favour, but as long as he wasn’t greedy, might have given him a 3rd year with terms agreed when otherwise he might not have.

So let’s say Bobby agreed £3k per week for 2 years.  The terms of the 1-year option would be agreed at that point, let’s say (bearing in mind he was 23 when the deal was signed and 25 when the option would need to be exercised) the option was at £5k per week.

Some scenarios:

  1. Reid never fulfils his promise - City do not take up option and do not offer Reid the agreed £5k 3rd year.  Reid becomes a free agent in the summer.  No development compensation, he’s too old.
  2. Reid does ok(ish), plays a reasonable amount in the 2 seasons and City still see him as a decent squad member - City take up option and offer Reid his agreed £5k per week.  Reid is now contracted to City until summer 2019.  This also means if City think he has a transfer value of >£250k (£5k x 52 weeks-ish), So want him under contract in case clubs are sniffing around.  This is the scenario that many posters on here fail to understand, and why you don’t "just get rid of" where player has some transfer value
  3. Reid gets moved to striker, scores 20 goals - City take up option and therefore Reid is contracted to next summer.  In this scenario City have done very well.  But also only giving Reid £5k when a host of clubs might be sniffing around will make it easy for them to offer double, triple, quadruple, etc his City deal and "turn his head"

those are 3 very simple scenarios.

However if it were me, I’d be really worried that in scenario 3 that we’d lose him if all we did was offer the option of £5k.  So whereas the deal was most likely loaded in City’s favour, if Reid really does outperform expectation as he has this season, suddenly Reid holds the aces.  Suddenly Mark Ashton has a job to do....and I think he needs to offer Reid something up there with our highest earners.  I don’t think you can get away with offering £5k until summer 2019.  You have to offer £15-20k on a 3 If 4 year deal.  Reid’s performances gave earned him that.  City have had him on the cheap (you might argue not!!) up against his age group peers at the club.  Now the shoe (golden boot) is on the other foot.

Bobby - you deserve it.  You’ve been ‘effin’ brilliant this season.

Hope the above makes sense.

This is why this contract negotiation is taking time.

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