cheshire_red Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Not listening to the Rugby crowd either. The Rugby club has announced Saturday at 3pm will be the preferred choice for games, much against the evidenced of what the supporters actually wish and here is a poll which prove it. Saturday games stop the players in Combination games (who Bristol Rugby have stated they want to work closely with) from attending as well as all the supporters and officials at these clubs. 3pm on a Sunday is the preferred choice of supporters, this allows junior players to attend after their own games all over the area on a Sunday morning. with Friday evening the second favourite. These people are not just customers who pay plenty to attend but are the future of Bristol Rugby similarly to Bristol City and their supporters. It seems no one actually supports Bristol Sport! https://www.facebook.com/groups/961841163909906/permalink/1688587521235263/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 I'm trying really hard to be shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, cheshire_red said: Not listening to the Rugby crowd either. The Rugby club has announced Saturday at 3pm will be the preferred choice for games, much against the evidenced of what the supporters actually wish and here is a poll which prove it. Saturday games stop the players in Combination games (who Bristol Rugby have stated they want to work closely with) from attending as well as all the supporters and officials at these clubs. 3pm on a Sunday is the preferred choice of supporters, this allows junior players to attend after their own games all over the area on a Sunday morning. with Friday evening the second favourite. These people are not just customers who pay plenty to attend but are the future of Bristol Rugby similarly to Bristol City and their supporters. It seems no one actually supports Bristol Sport! https://www.facebook.com/groups/961841163909906/permalink/1688587521235263/ It's almost like they want as many people in BS3 around 5pm on a Saturday so they could fill something like a basketball arena... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Wow! Bristol Sport in Not listening to their customers shocker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 hours ago, cheshire_red said: Not listening to the Rugby crowd either. The Rugby club has announced Saturday at 3pm will be the preferred choice for games, much against the evidenced of what the supporters actually wish and here is a poll which prove it. Saturday games stop the players in Combination games (who Bristol Rugby have stated they want to work closely with) from attending as well as all the supporters and officials at these clubs. 3pm on a Sunday is the preferred choice of supporters, this allows junior players to attend after their own games all over the area on a Sunday morning. with Friday evening the second favourite. These people are not just customers who pay plenty to attend but are the future of Bristol Rugby similarly to Bristol City and their supporters. It seems no one actually supports Bristol Sport! https://www.facebook.com/groups/961841163909906/permalink/1688587521235263/ do bristol sport have the authority to tell the RFU when Kick off times take place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 When was the consultation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: I'm trying really hard to be shocked. Me too. Just sad. With every decision like this I find I'm caring less and less. I was furious, but after the complete apathy regarding action post ST prices, I'm resigned to the fact that the vast majority of people in AG don't care about being a club, just about the team. They'll get the club they want in 10 years when we are a mid-table Premier League club in the mould of Arsenal, or what Man City is fast becoming. Good football but no character. Just now, Monkeh said: do bristol sport have the authority to tell the RFU when Kick off times take place? No, but they can state when they'd prefer the games to be played. Obviously City fixtures and the TV schedule will still move games all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: They'll get the club they want in 10 years when we are a mid-table Premier League club in the mould of Arsenal, or what Man City is fast becoming. Good football but no character. Mid-table Premier in the mould of Man City/Arsenal?? Well, yes......I'll take that. I'm intrigued as to what this "club" with "character" means or even looks like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Dave Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 59 minutes ago, frenchred said: Wow! Bristol Sport in Not listening to their customers shocker! Not a fan then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, RedRaw said: Mid-table Premier in the mould of Man City/Arsenal?? Well, yes......I'll take that. I'm intrigued as to what this "club" with "character" means or even looks like? Well we've already seen that some people are unable to renew their STs due to the higher prices. Just like there are many North Londoners priced out of Arsenal, as Arsenal would rather have tourists who'll spend more money. The question is, are you willing to sacrifice atmosphere and community, in favour of on the field success? And a club which character...well literally every football club outside the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 For balance, my (and thousands of others) season ticket in real prices is cheaper than a decade ago. Not sure there’s any other leisure activity, or other routine expenditure that the same can be said about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Me too. Just sad. With every decision like this I find I'm caring less and less. I was furious, but after the complete apathy regarding action post ST prices, I'm resigned to the fact that the vast majority of people in AG don't care about being a club, just about the team. They'll get the club they want in 10 years when we are a mid-table Premier League club in the mould of Arsenal, or what Man City is fast becoming. Good football but no character. Minus the Premier League mid-table thing, I'd already say we're well on our way. Entirely predictable deep down, the ST thing. To expand, I was genuinely surprised at Millwall- given it's a really common, almost unwritten rule- in football, that away fans tend to stand and be noisy, how many were sat (in the block which I was in! As for the rugby thing. Overall, it is the common kickoff time in rugby- 3pm on a Saturday, but TV will pull that here, there and everywhere- to say nothing of us being at home too, with a common kickoff at 3pm Saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Current vote is 220 Sunday 3pm 130 Friday evening 60 Saturday 3pm and they reckon they consulted supporters groups before deciding on Saturday being the preferred option. Yeah right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 12, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 57 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: For balance, my (and thousands of others) season ticket in real prices is cheaper than a decade ago. Not sure there’s any other leisure activity, or other routine expenditure that the same can be said about. Excuse my ignorance @BRISTOL86 but how have you worked this out? Cheshire Red where are your results from? These are the latest from here http://www.rugbynetwork.net/boards/read/s100.htm?102,16296140 Response Votes Breakdown Percentage Friday (7.45pm) 12 14.29 % Saturday (3pm) 24 28.57 % Sunday (3pm) 29 34.52 % Don't mind 19 22.62 % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 12, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Interesting numbers Attendance in numbers (Championship matches only): Friday Nights: 11,184 (Christmas fixture); 7,728; Saturday: 8,429; 8,184; 6,789 Sunday: 7,045; 6,509; 7,170; 9,208; 8,018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Well we've already seen that some people are unable to renew their STs due to the higher prices. Just like there are many North Londoners priced out of Arsenal, as Arsenal would rather have tourists who'll spend more money. The question is, are you willing to sacrifice atmosphere and community, in favour of on the field success? And a club which character...well literally every football club outside the UK. Why do they have to be mutually exclusive? I want both as I am sure most fans, coaches, players, management want. You can't compare us with the likes of Arsenal or any of the top 6/7 Premier League clubs.......they are in a different world compared to the rest of the premier league and are seen as "global" clubs who can and will do whatever it takes to retain that status knowing somebody will pay the price of a ticket. You probably have to look at the likes of Southampton, Stoke, Brighton et al when comparing where we want to be. In todays football world, these clubs also have to implement pricing structures/changes in order to compete and retain their status that no doubt may aggravate sections of their support. At the same time, they will work to retain community / fan links and look to enhance "club" character / atmosphere etc. As far as I see it, the club retain good "community" links albeit the interaction with fan groups could be improved, and we still produce good atmospheres (Tuesday proved that with a lower crowd, on a bad run etc) and have/can produce fantastic atmospheres (Man U in particular) I really don't see the issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, RedRaw said: Why do they have to be mutually exclusive? I want both as I am sure most fans, coaches, players, management want. You can't compare us with the likes of Arsenal or any of the top 6/7 Premier League clubs.......they are in a different world compared to the rest of the premier league and are seen as "global" clubs who can and will do whatever it takes to retain that status knowing somebody will pay the price of a ticket. You probably have to look at the likes of Southampton, Stoke, Brighton et al when comparing where we want to be. In todays football world, these clubs also have to implement pricing structures/changes in order to compete and retain their status that no doubt may aggravate sections of their support. At the same time, they will work to retain community / fan links and look to enhance "club" character / atmosphere etc. As far as I see it, the club retain good "community" links albeit the interaction with fan groups could be improved, and we still produce good atmospheres (Tuesday proved that with a lower crowd, on a bad run etc) and have/can produce fantastic atmospheres (Man U in particular) I really don't see the issue You are correct that they don't have to be mutually exclusive. However the club, with their aggressive ST policy, the response to the policy and now removing FAN shows that they have little intrest in what fans think, or who they are. The vibes coming from BCFC is that they'd rather have a new fan who will buy a ticket in the Lansdown, buy the shirt and a drinks every week, over a fan of 20 years in the SS, who has supported us even whilst bottom of L1. That is the comparison with Arsenal. As for the atmosphere, it's easy when you're winning or playing Man U. When was the last time AG was rocking whilst we were behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Well we've already seen that some people are unable to renew their STs due to the higher prices. Just like there are many North Londoners priced out of Arsenal, as Arsenal would rather have tourists who'll spend more money. The question is, are you willing to sacrifice atmosphere and community, in favour of on the field success? And a club which character...well literally every football club outside the UK. Handy for us then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, phantom said: Excuse my ignorance @BRISTOL86 but how have you worked this out? Cheshire Red where are your results from? These are the latest from here http://www.rugbynetwork.net/boards/read/s100.htm?102,16296140 Response Votes Breakdown Percentage Friday (7.45pm) 12 14.29 % Saturday (3pm) 24 28.57 % Sunday (3pm) 29 34.52 % Don't mind 19 22.62 % My first season ticket as an adult was 07/08 and I believe the cost was £329 In today’s prices, £329 in 2007 is worth £439. So a season ticket in the South Stand at £345 is considerably below inflation at 4.9% up on 2007 vs inflation of 33% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: You are correct that they don't have to be mutually exclusive. However the club, with their aggressive ST policy, the response to the policy and now removing FAN shows that they have little intrest in what fans think, or who they are. The vibes coming from BCFC is that they'd rather have a new fan who will buy a ticket in the Lansdown, buy the shirt and a drinks every week, over a fan of 20 years in the SS, who has supported us even whilst bottom of L1. That is the comparison with Arsenal. As for the atmosphere, it's easy when you're winning or playing Man U. When was the last time AG was rocking whilst we were behind? Yet, it can rally when the chips are down. QPR at home? Down to 10, Baker red card half hour in. Thought the fans were good, noisy. Thought Fulham was likewise a decent atmosphere- and we fell behind in that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: My first season ticket as an adult was 07/08 and I believe the cost was £329 In today’s prices, £329 in 2007 is worth £439. So a season ticket in the South Stand at £345 is considerably below inflation at 4.9% up on 2007 vs inflation of 33% Which stand was it in though? I'd say a better, closer like for like comparison would be Dolman 2007 v Dolman now. South Stand is a whole new stand, albeit still the cheapest in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Which stand was it in though? I'd say a better, closer like for like comparison would be Dolman 2007 v Dolman now. South Stand is a whole new stand, albeit still the cheapest in the ground. Atyeo, so it’s a pretty fair comparison. No idea what other stands cost at the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: As for the atmosphere, it's easy when you're winning or playing Man U. When was the last time AG was rocking whilst we were behind? Where is it anywhere? Elland Road the other week but that is an exception rather than a rule......that's why the song "you only sing when you're winning" is so popular! It may be me, but I really don't want to pay good money to be part of a "rocking" atmosphere whilst watching my team losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, RedRaw said: Where is it anywhere? Elland Road the other week but that is an exception rather than a rule......that's why the song "you only sing when you're winning" is so popular! It may be me, but I really don't want to pay good money to be part of a "rocking" atmosphere whilst watching my team losing I think that is where we will never agree. For me football is all about the atmosphere and the community. Also that primeval feeling of another group coming to our village and have the audacity to try and beat us. Suddenly you unite with the people around you to cheer on our local champions, who in this case are footballers, for our pride. The result itself is much less important for me, as long as that comradery is there. That's why I value fans who are being priced out Your last point is rather telling though, and correct me if I'm wrong, but would you be happier losing if you paid less? I'm not trying to trap you or make assumptions so I'll explain below. We pay more in this country to watch football than almost everyone else (we may actually pay the most, but I'm not sure). Therefore you expect a certain amount for your money. That's one reason why I feel Arsenal fans act in such an entitled manner, because they're forking out 4 figures for STs, and I sympathise with that. For me if you treat your supporters like supporters, they'll rally when the chips are down. One phrase that gets thrown around a lot in UK football is 'the fans deserve better'. In reality, no set of fans deserves more than another, but because we all pay so much, we all feel like we deserve more. An example I'll give is I had the joy of attending a Galatasary game in December. Paid roughly £10 POTD. I'll link the match report below. You'll see that Galatasary went 2-0 down at home to a poor side, a week after losing 3-0 in an Istanbul derby to Besiktas. The fans were genuinely louder at 2 down than they were after taking the lead. Now you can argue about the culture being different, but the sheer volume was incredible. I'd be much prouder of my club if I could boast about how inclusive we were, how it was accessible it was for everyone over Bristol, no matter their financial status. I'd be proud if away fans left AG thinking 'wow their fans are passionate'. But I can't be as it just isn't true. http://www.skysports.com/football/galatasaray-vs-akhisar-belediye/380471 I'll end with the example of St Pauli in Hamburg. Part of their club constitution is that their club has to be accessible to the communities it represents, and representative of their views. As a result they have never really made an impact on the Bundesliga 1, but instead have a full, noisy ground every week, which receives global recognition. That may not be your cup of tea, and I respect that, but it is mine, and I think there is room for it at AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: I think that is where we will never agree. For me football is all about the atmosphere and the community. Also that primeval feeling of another group coming to our village and have the audacity to try and beat us. Suddenly you unite with the people around you to cheer on our local champions, who in this case are footballers, for our pride. The result itself is much less important for me, as long as that comradery is there. That's why I value fans who are being priced out Your last point is rather telling though, and correct me if I'm wrong, but would you be happier losing if you paid less? I'm not trying to trap you or make assumptions so I'll explain below. We pay more in this country to watch football than almost everyone else (we may actually pay the most, but I'm not sure). Therefore you expect a certain amount for your money. That's one reason why I feel Arsenal fans act in such an entitled manner, because they're forking out 4 figures for STs, and I sympathise with that. For me if you treat your supporters like supporters, they'll rally when the chips are down. One phrase that gets thrown around a lot in UK football is 'the fans deserve better'. In reality, no set of fans deserves more than another, but because we all pay so much, we all feel like we deserve more. An example I'll give is I had the joy of attending a Galatasary game in December. Paid roughly £10 POTD. I'll link the match report below. You'll see that Galatasary went 2-0 down at home to a poor side, a week after losing 3-0 in an Istanbul derby to Besiktas. The fans were genuinely louder at 2 down than they were after taking the lead. Now you can argue about the culture being different, but the sheer volume was incredible. I'd be much prouder of my club if I could boast about how inclusive we were, how it was accessible it was for everyone over Bristol, no matter their financial status. I'd be proud if away fans left AG thinking 'wow their fans are passionate'. But I can't be as it just isn't true. http://www.skysports.com/football/galatasaray-vs-akhisar-belediye/380471 I'll end with the example of St Pauli in Hamburg. Part of their club constitution is that their club has to be accessible to the communities it represents, and representative of their views. As a result they have never really made an impact on the Bundesliga 1, but instead have a full, noisy ground every week, which receives global recognition. That may not be your cup of tea, and I respect that, but it is mine, and I think there is room for it at AG. Condensed version.....If you want cheap football and loud and tribal atmospheres, move to Turkey or Germany. And to answer your question, no, I would not be happier losing if I paid less. You may consider it a bit left-field but regardless of who I am or what I pay, I want to win, simple as. "went to the gate last night, amazing atmosphere....it was rocking" "how did they get on" "Oh, we lost 3-0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, RedRaw said: Condensed version.....If you want cheap football and loud and tribal atmospheres, move to Turkey or Germany. And to answer your question, no, I would not be happier losing if I paid less. You may consider it a bit left-field but regardless of who I am or what I pay, I want to win, simple as. "went to the gate last night, amazing atmosphere....it was rocking" "how did they get on" "Oh, we lost 3-0" But why should we not have what everyone else in the world has? We've got to the point where the Yanks and Aussies can create better atmospheres than us. And that's where we differ, although I feel I'm in the minority though. I'd still be cross when we lost, but at least I'd have had fun in the stands, rather than cross that we lost, and just sat in silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, RedRaw said: Where is it anywhere? Elland Road the other week but that is an exception rather than a rule......that's why the song "you only sing when you're winning" is so popular! It may be me, but I really don't want to pay good money to be part of a "rocking" atmosphere whilst watching my team losing Hang on, so you'd rather it was quiet if we were losing than loud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 hours ago, phantom said: Interesting numbers Attendance in numbers (Championship matches only): Friday Nights: 11,184 (Christmas fixture); 7,728; Saturday: 8,429; 8,184; 6,789 Sunday: 7,045; 6,509; 7,170; 9,208; 8,018 One of the Saturday games was a free ticket for City fans was it not? During an international break. That would have artificially inflated the crowd. When tomorrow's crowd is about 12,000 it will make even less sense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 hours ago, ZiderEyed said: Hang on, so you'd rather it was quiet if we were losing than loud? No, the point being made was that I’d just rather we weren’t losing. By all means create an atmosphere whenever you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 6 hours ago, phantom said: Interesting numbers Attendance in numbers (Championship matches only): Friday Nights: 11,184 (Christmas fixture); 7,728; Saturday: 8,429; 8,184; 6,789 Sunday: 7,045; 6,509; 7,170; 9,208; 8,018 The opposition as well as the period of the season should also be taken in to account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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