Monkeh Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Cowshed said: He is eighth - eleventh depending on whatever you measure and who measures it. His passing accuracy is a low 56%. You can do all sorts with these stats. Do you want a Keeper to dominate the box? Angus Gunn bosses that, Frank Fielding is eleventh. Lots of saves? Frank Fielding is 2.17 … Fulham's Bettellini makes 3.49 .. Even these seemingly simple stats can be skewed by how a team defends - Low block more saves due to more shots from distance. Interventions outside of the box? Claims? Ultimately it is about what you want your Keeper to do, what is the team need and so what is it that the Keeper needs to excel in? Fulham for instance pass it consistently and frequently and their Keepers had far higher passing accuracies than Frank Fielding because its the team need. Looking at football in general its clear teams use a myriad of approaches, its not a game of 4-4-2 matching up v 4-4-2 anymore. And if your Keeper does not have a high technical ability the tactical flexibility of the team can only suffer. I would ask him to roll it out to the fall backs because of his distribution, him kicking to the bylines was an instruction from the head coach, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Monkeh said: I would ask him to roll it out to the fall backs because of his distribution, him kicking to the bylines was an instruction from the head coach, Even if it was a instruction he should be able to do it? Not hard. What's training for all week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Monkeh said: what points did he cost us?, his mistake? what about flint pretending to be a striker which caused frankie to get a red card in the first place? Frankie won us far more points then he cost us, his only issue is his distribution and then he's the 8th best keeper in terms of distribution in the league Hull, Preston, wolves, Barnsley all points he cost us at the top of my head. FF was solely responsible for the red card against wolves. If you thinking or go by stats that make FF the 8th best keeper for distrubution you must be mad. Stats don't tell the whole story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 19 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Edt- No idea how much we got for Engvall, seems not to be included on the incoming. If I was having a guess, I'd suggest in cash terms our current profit on transfer business this summer, purely cash terms £8-9m at this stage. Because it was nothing? We are probably committed to pay at least some of his wages for the rest of our contract, too. Once we take the Flint sell on into account and assume the reported £5m (up front rising to £7m based on unspecified clauses) is correct, I reckon we are about £6m up on the summer transfer fees so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 19 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Because it was nothing? We are probably committed to pay at least some of his wages for the rest of our contract, too. Once we take the Flint sell on into account and assume the reported £5m (up front rising to £7m based on unspecified clauses) is correct, I reckon we are about £6m up on the summer transfer fees so far. Probably a free transfer or a nominal fee tbh- so as good as nothing. Yep, sell-on means we're probably as you say £6m up so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 20 hours ago, Spoons said: No but I would have signed a keeper first. I'm happy with the signings already made. But why does it matter if new goalkeeper comes in first or last? If he's added to the squad he's in the squad. What benefit is it you add a goalkeeper specifically first? Should we have told other players we're looking at signing and have signed to hold off because we need to get the goalkeeper through the door first? It makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Trueredsupporte said: Often fifty per cent of the time he kicked it went to the opposition. if it was an outfield player??? that is all errors. City spend beans on keepers and it shows. Wasn't there something on here that said his pass distribution was one of the highest in the league? Also its johnson that tells him to kick wide, maybe we should just coach him better? City spend beans on managers and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Spoons said: Hull, Preston, wolves, Barnsley all points he cost us at the top of my head. FF was solely responsible for the red card against wolves. If you thinking or go by stats that make FF the 8th best keeper for distrubution you must be mad. Stats don't tell the whole story! What the 5-5 at hull which was a result of school boy defending not down to fielding, wolves was because we got caught out at the back pushing for a goal hardly fielding fault and the stats do tell the whole story it’s just that you don’t like him which is blatantly obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 I keep seeing complaints about Fielding's distribution. I only get to see a few games a season but we had a number on Sky last season so I got to see a few and one of the things I noticed when Steele was playing was how much we missed Fielding's ability to distribute the ball. He might not be perfect but from what I saw he was significantly better than Steele, so I'd guess that for the level we are at he is not bad. I'm certainly not saying there aren't better goalkeepers out there, and I think it's safe to say we'll sign one, having let Steele and the Austrian lad (completely forgotten his name) go, but I don't think Fielding's distribution is the liability it's made out to be, at least not from the games I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, Monkeh said: What the 5-5 at hull which was a result of school boy defending not down to fielding, wolves was because we got caught out at the back pushing for a goal hardly fielding fault and the stats do tell the whole story it’s just that you don’t like him which is blatantly obvious Two goals were his fault against hull. Watch the goals again if you can't remember!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Spoons said: Two goals were his fault against hull. Watch the goals again if you can't remember!! And three others were the fault of some awful defending... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, JBFC II said: And three others were the fault of some awful defending... But I would except it if that game was a one off but it wasn't!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numbeast Posted July 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 The only problem I have with Frankie is consistency with his distribution. Some of his errors may have cost us points but he's also saved us points. I'm not saying he's a great keeper but he's good enough for this league although I do admit to calling him fragile Frankie give the number of games he has miss through injury. Thing is do we spend big bucks on an upgrade or bring in someone with potential who may be good enough if ff is injured or suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 6 hours ago, jj77 said: Just my opinion but I think City need another striker to play instead of/as well as Diedhiou. Even more so as we appear to be selling Djuric who is apparently looking to move back to Italy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 36 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: Even more so as we appear to be selling Djuric who is apparently looking to move back to Italy And with FD suspended for 6 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said: And with FD suspended for 6 matches. They’re before the season even starts though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryans Left Peg Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 I find it funny that people are suggesting Stockdale and Bialskowski as alternatives whilst slating Frankie's distribution.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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