BS4 on Tour... Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, GoodridgeandGoater said: Doesn’t Sam Allardyce have the best ever win ratio as England manager ? Yes he does.....but as you know, he was manager for only one game. But surely the number of wins a manager achieves is relevant to how he is judged in a longer, more significant spell as a manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIPLEY RED Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 21 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said: I'm with @RedDave on this one. In 2017, a prof in economics John Goddard - an expert in the economics of professional sport - crunched the numbers and found that, from 92/93 to the end of the 2015/16 season: - in the Prem League, overseas Johnny Foreigner coaches, averaged 1.66 points per game. While our homegrown Brit and Irish Ron managers averaged 1.29 ppg in the PL, over the same time. - the difference averaged out at 14 more points for overseas managers over the 38 games. Ah, you say: but they would, wouldn't they, being manager of Chelsea or Arsenal etc, not a fair comparison. But Prof Goddard also found that: - in the Football League, over the same period, overseas managers averaged 1.49 ppg, the Brit/Irish ones 1.36 ppg, an average of 6 points more for Johnny Foreigner over 46 games. - over the period studied, the Big 6 (Man U, Man C, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs) were managed by Brit/Irish managers for more than half the games (54.9%), demonstrating that the success of overseas managers is not down to financial clout and associated advantages of managing the Big 6. The overseas guys are just better, on average. Prof Goddard also studied the impact of an overseas coach succeeding a Brit/Irish ones at the same club, and found that: - it was 1.42 ppg for Ron manager, and 1.58 ppg for their overseas successors (a lot of this was down to Wegner's record following Bruce Rioch, but even allowing for this the stats for Julio Foreigner are favourable). Anyone at the club reading this? Hi! Let Uncle Steve know, will you? Cheers. Prof Goddard also found that: - between 92/93 and 2015/16, there were 1,170 managerial spells by 544 different Brit/Irish managers in English football, with the average spell lasting 86.3 matches. Over the same spell, there 115 spells completed by 80 foreign managers, with the average duration only 58.2 matches. Ron got more chance - or Windows - to get to where he wanted to be than Johnny Foreigner. And still got fewer points. Ron Manager 0 Johnny Foreigner 1.2. Anyone not convinced yet? It would seem that having a Nige Farage good ol' Blighty they don't like it up 'um Brexit bulldog local owner keeping the coaching work for local lads "who know the division/game here/what it takes at Stoke on a wet Wednesday" are shooting themselves in the foot. On average. According to the Prof and his pesky numbers. The overseas owners know there is a lot more managerial/coaching talent across the globe than there is in the small talent pool in these islands, and they are not afraid of the swarthy, overseas types. Local owners are great for many things in English football, we all agree on this, but their preference for appointing "one of our own" to the most important roles (we can probably include Chief Operating Smooth Operator here) is their achilles heel, the data appears to show. Whoever it was that appointed Benny was on to something, 20 years ago (City, ahead of the curve! Leading the way!), the only mistake they really made there was to stop at Benny and go back to what we know, good ol' Ron Pulis/Wilson/Jonson/Millen, with his safe pair of hands. The correct thing to do would've been to keep trying overseas. Oh well, another missed opportunity at Bristol City. Plus ca change, as they say overseas. We know overseas players are better, we buy them up as much as we can; it can be no surprise, then, that overseas managers/coaches are better too. Only our "Charles Hughes/Brexit" pride and our prejudice keeps us going back to Ron manager. Prof Goddard by the way was the one that crunched the numbers and showed that the 'new manager bounce' is inaccurate. And now he has shown that "experience of the league" is overvalued. UK clubs owners, on average, just like - this'll ring a bell - "familiarity." Mentioning no names! "Experience feels safe," even though the data shows otherwise. That David Dein, up London, mixing with all them funny foreigners, playing Charades with unknown Frenchies of an evening - cuh! Time to go Dutch, Steve? Or Portuguese, or anything foreign - the world's your oyston. Try a game of Charades -next time you are in need of a head coach, of course...… My desire to help encourage young British coaches above "foreign" coaches is probably more about opportunity and the future of British football than success. Of course above all I want City top be successful and I will support any manager that we appoint but I worry if clubs keep going down the "foreign" root for players and coaches the British game will eventually die. If you look at the national team now too many of the players are not first team regulars at their club because we are not developing home grown talent which I believe is out their. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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