Gibbs Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Really enjoyed it but obviously heavily edited. You could tell the crowd and staff reactions were there for story continuity but didn't fit the timelime. Liked how local the club setup was but as with Man Utd being "rock bottom" sixth in the Premier League I found the whole "back in the Premier League where we belong" and "we're too big" a bit cringey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 3 hours ago, spudski said: Football Clubs are run amateurishly when you compare like for like in the business world. There is still a 'loooking out for your mates ' mentality at many Clubs. There are many people outside the football bubble that are far more qualified to do the job in hand and better at it. To a degree it is starting to see that... especially with analytics and the stats side of things. Trouble is...football clubs tend to pay way below the going rate at many levels. Peanuts by comparison...unless you are at the higher echelons. Scouts in particular...unless head scout, often spend hours working for expenses only. Analysts and coaches poorly paid when compared to other businesses of equal level. No wonder clever people become Agents...easy to manipulate by many degrees. This Club is going in the right direction though. Agree with all all you say on the business side of the game. A boss of mine worked in the 2000's for a mid ranking PL London club. Directors had nice cars. Players had pretty good cars. Who had the nicest, the flashest? Why- the agents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 20 hours ago, Drew Peacock said: That is true of almost any documentary. So many are edited to tell the story the makers want to show rather than tell the truth and let you make your own mind up. Agree - the most famous football doc for me was that Leyton Orient one in the 90s because it really was warts and all, and at a time a club were at a point of extinction and the pressure in the dressing room was insane - doubt they ever make a doc like that again because the lower leagues are further than ever from being relevant. But to your point, the Orient manager at the time, who is now a cabbie, wrote his autobiography recently because he said the documentary misrepresented what he was doing. It's a fascinating read if a little annoyed with what the programme did to him, but who can blame him, by sacking a player at half time it became the focus of the programme and he never got a job after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Just now, Olé said: Agree - the most famous football doc for me was that Leyton Orient one in the 90s because it really was warts and all, and at a time a club were at a point of extinction and the pressure in the dressing room was insane - doubt they ever make a doc like that again because the lower leagues are further than ever from being relevant. But to your point, the Orient manager at the time, who is now a cabbie, wrote his autobiography recently because he said the documentary misrepresented what he was doing. It's a fascinating read if a little annoyed with what the programme did to him, but who can blame him, by sacking a player at half time it became the focus of the programme and he never got a job after. ....and you can bring yer dinner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Anyone remember the Sheffield Utd one when Dave Basset was in charge? United We Stand I think with Sean Bean narrating. That was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 The best one which anticipated triumph but which turned to disaster one surely, pretty unvarnished. Well a few select quotes. Sure you can guess... "Linesman. LINESMAN!!" "What sort of thing is happening here??" "Referee REFEREE!" "Tell your mate he's just got me the sack!" Plus of course, the best (or most overplayed): "Do I not like that!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The best one which anticipated triumph but which turned to disaster one surely, pretty unvarnished. Well a few select quotes. Sure you can guess... "Linesman. LINESMAN!!" "What sort of thing is happening here??" "Referee REFEREE!" "Tell your mate he's just got me the sack!" Plus of course, the best (or most overplayed): "Do I not like that!" `I ******* hate orange` I don`t think many watching thought Graham Taylor was anything like he was in that! The definition of warts and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 On 20/12/2018 at 17:30, GasDestroyer said: Regardless of views on there fans, the Sunderland documentary is excellent - far better than the Man City one IMO. Showed how out of his death Grayson was really well. Quite frankly, also showed how a mismanaged, badly run club can disintegrate fast. The owner bailed out fast! Although they have already presold 40,000+ tickets for the Boxing Day game v Bradford!!! Having worked in the North East for a while, it is an absolute hotbed for football. I would hope that all on here are as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 Matthews- no wonder the decline - amazing documentary Just saw the city 3-3 which I attended , hurts but you do feel the warmth for the Sunderland supporters as a football fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 19 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Agree with all all you say on the business side of the game. A boss of mine worked in the 2000's for a mid ranking PL London club. Directors had nice cars. Players had pretty good cars. Who had the nicest, the flashest? Why- the agents! One of the agents I know, has a car dealership give him cars to use for free. The biggest, flashiest and most expensive. Purely for him to be a driving advert... So footballers see the cars and he then recommends the dealership. To which he also gets a cut on the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 Bump: just got a free month’s sub. Signed up for a free month a couple of years back, so worth getting another month. Watching episode one. No shocks so far, exactly as I expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 I won't be watching this any time soon, in a house with 7 women , is it worth making the effort? I'll look in the new year when they go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 Spoiler alert... they get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 35 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said: 35 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said: Spoiler alert they get relegated. Oh, thanks a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Oh, thanks a lot You think that`s bad - he only told me that the ship sinks at the end of Titanic. Totally spoiled it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Posted December 25, 2018 Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 Interesting to read online that the production company are still filming, with even more access (to the club) than before, granted by the new owners, although series Two not actually confirmed yet. Supposedly waiting to see how popular this series is. Loved it personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 Not sure if there has already been a topic on here about this, but has anyone watched this programme on Netflix? An interesting programme that gives a real insight into a club that is rotten to the core, and how it effects the whole set up in and around the club . I kind of imagine it must have been what we were like back in the McInnes and then O'Driscoll era....we really did seem to be in free fall at one point As for their fans....never let it be said our fans are to harsh. And as for being fickle...I've never seen anything like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 Its beem done already buddy about a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 'Crying on Netflix, we saw you crying on Netflix' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 I’m yet to watch this one, so don’t know too much about it. I thought the Man City one on Amazon was good, it’s relatively easy for them to document publicly, knowing how good they are. I think it’s quite brave and far more interesting for Sunderland to allow coverage, during a period of turmoil and struggle. Looking forward to seeing it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 43 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: I’m yet to watch this one, so don’t know too much about it. I thought the Man City one on Amazon was good, it’s relatively easy for them to document publicly, knowing how good they are. I think it’s quite brave and far more interesting for Sunderland to allow coverage, during a period of turmoil and struggle. Looking forward to seeing it soon. I would thoroughly recommend it, it's much more of a real world view than the Man City version and player profiles / interviews (even though short) are much more revealing about what it's like to play pro football rather than the Amazon airbrushed version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Finished watching it last night, really good. I didn't used to like Chris Coleman but changed my mind after watching this. A real football man who was honoured to manage them, understood the fans and genuinely wanted to do well for them. He clearly felt the weight of the world on his shoulders when it wasn't working out. Sunderland came over as an extraordinary club, and footballing City, where passionate support from all generations seems ingrained. I can't help wish Bristol was more like that but we have so many incomers here ( plus a 2nd team) it never could be. In Sunderland it looked like you could stop more or less any passer- by and have a conversation about your club. In Bristol, no chance. There are many passionate BCFC supporters in Bristol, of course, but Sunderland is a different world - they all support their local team. The other thing I noticed is how 'passionate' Sunderland fans could be in their ground with apparently no censure - no problem with getting carried away with loud swearing and gestures at the Stadium of Light. I reckon the hotline would be buzzing constantly if we behaved similarly at AG. A real eye opener on the football world and definitely worth watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Came across an interesting piece about it on These Football Times. https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/01/15/sunderland-til-i-die-and-the-neglected-communities-reliant-on-football-as-a-means-of-escape/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 On 15/12/2018 at 00:55, BessexRED said: I’m 4 episodes in, City game at the SoL didn’t feature as they focused on the game that followed where Grayson was sacked. Sure the 3-3 will be heavily focused on which will be painful to relive. Yes were in episode six Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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