Davefevs Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 The interview contained within (ignore Brownhill bit). About 7:30 into the interview Lee talks about Callum and his injury. What do others make of this? Doesn’t sound great to me, but maybe i’m Putting 2+2 and getting 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppello Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: The interview contained within (ignore Brownhill bit). About 7:30 into the interview Lee talks about Callum and his injury. What do others make of this? Doesn’t sound great to me, but maybe i’m Putting 2+2 and getting 5. Care to summarise for those of us in work and shouldn't be on OTIB in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: The interview contained within (ignore Brownhill bit). About 7:30 into the interview Lee talks about Callum and his injury. What do others make of this? Doesn’t sound great to me, but maybe i’m Putting 2+2 and getting 5. Impossible to decide what LJ true thoughts are really as you can read what he said in different ways. He did seem a bit annoyed but I think more so that COD wont play through the pain barrier anyway and nothing to do with contract talks or wanting to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Coppello said: Care to summarise for those of us in work and shouldn't be on OTIB in the first place? LJ was asked if COD not playing had anything to do with contract talks and/or wanting to leave. LJ said he didn't know but then went on to say that COD doesn't play through pain and that might come down to him being young and not having many injuries, not knowing what you can play through. He gave opposite example as Maenpaa who is much older and will play through pain as he knows he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Reading between the lines, he's leaving and LJ does not like his attitude. Could be wrong tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 @Coppello Gregor asks whether him not playing is down to contract. Lee replies “you never know, I don’t think so, don’t think he’s that type of lad”, but he’s not very dismissive of the question. Goes on to talk about injury, and although it's healed is getting a bit of pain, that goes away. Also that other players would play with pain, and some are “soldiers”. Also says if Callum is focused and motivated, he brings other attributes to the squad we don’t have, also “I have no problems with Callum as a lad”. Does this suggest he’s not focussed and / or motivated? Just seemed a bit of a weird one in the way LJ answered the Qs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I thought it sounded like we needed him to pull his socks up and play as we need him. He said he was a great lad, good student but feels a bit of a twinge in his ligaments which only lasts for about a minute and only occurs when ligament stretched. He said he has been given an injection to try to settle it down a bit. Lee said he has had injuries himself and sometimes now feels a twinge, same with Maenpaa and you learn with experience to play on. He said he doesn’t know if CoD hasn’t had that many injuries and so hasn’t got the experience. ( I took it to mean he isn’t handling pain very well or thinks there is pain when there isn’t). As I said it was a man up and get out there message, probably with an injection to psychologically help as much as physically. Edit: I have noticed with CoD in the past though that there are no injuries where you only miss one game with him, if he has an injury he is out for weeks if not months. Wasn’t it last season he missed a huge chunk of too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUTOR Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Doesn’t sound like the type of player we want out there for 3 season defining games, one at the den... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, Riaz said: Reading between the lines, he's leaving and LJ does not like his attitude. Could be wrong tho. That is a very pessimistic view of what was said in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Davefevs said: @Coppello Gregor asks whether him not playing is down to contract. Lee replies “you never know, I don’t think so, don’t think he’s that type of lad”, but he’s not very dismissive of the question. Goes on to talk about injury, and although it's healed is getting a bit of pain, that goes away. Also that other players would play with pain, and some are “soldiers”. Also says if Callum is focused and motivated, he brings other attributes to the squad we don’t have, also “I have no problems with Callum as a lad”. Does this suggest he’s not focussed and / or motivated? Just seemed a bit of a weird one in the way LJ answered the Qs. Wouldn’t surprise me if LJ asked them to ask that question so he could say his piece on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, RedDave said: That is a very pessimistic view of what was said in my opinion I think attitude might be he issue because last season Bobby Reid and Joe Bryan were in the same situation and LJ played them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: It was, but didn't he actually quite badly injure his leg diving in for a tackle? He did. A rash tackle by him, can’t remember which game it was. I remember seeing it. I’m not saying the injury wasn’t bad, just he does seem to get long term injuriesor knocks that go on and on. I understand some people can’t take pain, and bodies heal differently but to do a job where you are inviting inuries more than most employment probably takes some mental effort from him even if you have the physical skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zod Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I guess there’s a chance that he wants out in the summer is happy to see out the season in the stands and doesn’t want to risk a long term injury that puts any potential move in jeopardy. I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see COD in a city shirt again. Disappointing if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 His ankle injury was pretty serious and complicated so he may now be more careful or even afraid of another serious injury. As for his contract situation, it would not surprise me at all, if he went to Forest to be with O'Neill who gave him plenty of games with Republic. I wouldn't be too disappointed if he went as I consider that he has not used his talent to the full in his time with us. He promises so much but has rarely delivered. The goal away this season, can't remember which game, is one such event but he can be very frustrating for the rest of the team in games because he rarely passes the ball early enough, preferring to do the "clockwork mouse" routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, General Zod said: I guess there’s a chance that he wants out in the summer is happy to see out the season in the stands and doesn’t want to risk a long term injury that puts any potential move in jeopardy. I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see COD in a city shirt again. Disappointing if true. As you say, if that is the case its very disappointing, sadly if true he'll not be leaving with too many good wishes ringing in his ears... instead he will experience a deserved virtual battering from many of the Ashton Gate faithful. Out of the frying pan into the fryer for COD … but as we all know there are plenty more fish in the sea. Hopefully he will come out fighting, become a regular fixture in the team and go on to earn legendary status as a Bristol City folk hero... We love our heroes at The Gate and life doesn't get much better than that for the few who experience it. Come on COD, it's time to sink it swim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 30 minutes ago, RedM said: He did. A rash tackle by him, can’t remember which game it was. I remember seeing it. I’m not saying the injury wasn’t bad, just he does seem to get long term injuriesor knocks that go on and on. I understand some people can’t take pain, and bodies heal differently but to do a job where you are inviting inuries more than most employment probably takes some mental effort from him even if you have the physical skills. Hull away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: It was, but didn't he actually quite badly injure his leg diving in for a tackle? 37 minutes ago, RedM said: He did. A rash tackle by him, can’t remember which game it was. I remember seeing it. I’m not saying the injury wasn’t bad, just he does seem to get long term injuriesor knocks that go on and on. I understand some people can’t take pain, and bodies heal differently but to do a job where you are inviting inuries more than most employment probably takes some mental effort from him even if you have the physical skills. Away to Hull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 33 minutes ago, General Zod said: I guess there’s a chance that he wants out in the summer is happy to see out the season in the stands and doesn’t want to risk a long term injury that puts any potential move in jeopardy. I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see COD in a city shirt again. Disappointing if true. This. Mind-blowing when you consider he's got a chance to give it his all in these final few games and potentially double his wages and go to the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Won't play through pain, even if medical experts say its OK? A proper wilting flower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, cidered abroad said: it would not surprise me at all, if he went to Forest to be with O'Neill who gave him plenty of games with Republic. I'm not so sure on this. It's one thing to rate him for RoI, but does COD displace any of their current midfield? Big no from me. I don't think they'd want or need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said: I want to say it was Hull away. Was the very first thing I saw on the stream I was watching, early in the second half. If I haven't got the games mixed up Brownhill scored the winner from outside the area. That was the original injury last season. The presser is referring to current injury. 35 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: This. Mind-blowing when you consider he's got a chance to give it his all in these final few games and potentially double his wages and go to the Premier League. For me, COD should’ve signed a new deal here, increased his wages, and given us next season with some mutual agreement that we would accept suitable offers. He properly broke through last season until the injury at Hull. Became established this season as a regular upon return from last season’s injury, and was starting to add end product to his game, albeit inconsistently. Next season I would’ve expected his to become a key player (not just a regular) and I think as a result he would have much better clubs interested in him. City won’t hang onto him this summer in a vain attempt to get him to sign a new deal. They will cash-in, and although they won’t get full value, they won’t be left with nothing either. Callum may find out that with the kinds of teams interested in him, that the grass is t necessarily greener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Cal-lum, Callum O'Dowda, runs down his contract for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 just let him go ffs really not as great as he thinks he is, has achieved very little in his career to try and force a better contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Yes, Hull away, thank you all. I was there and saw it but couldn’t remember which ground it was at. Think it was Millwall away about 6 months later that he made his comeback. I was there too and remember him going off early in the second half, wasn’t that injury too or just a tactical sub. All these games are blurring into one now, I’m getting old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, petehinton said: just let him go ffs really not as great as he thinks he is, has achieved very little in his career to try and force a better contract Sounds like he thinks he's already arrived at the destination when in fact he's only just started the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Massively overrated...if he leaves so be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 hours ago, RedDave said: LJ was asked if COD not playing had anything to do with contract talks and/or wanting to leave. LJ said he didn't know but then went on to say that COD doesn't play through pain and that might come down to him being young and not having many injuries, not knowing what you can play through. He gave opposite example as Maenpaa who is much older and will play through pain as he knows he can. On more positive news, I hope this means Niki is playing tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I cannot go through the huge amount of pain barrier that Gregor whatsisface imposes on me on anything he reports. Probably irrational, but something about the bloke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Thought it was very telling LJ talked so candidly about it at the presser. It was interestingly phrased = a criticism filling in a few slices of praise bread. Surely sending a message, both to the player, any potential new clubs and also to the fans. Just to plant that little seed "he won't player through the pain barrier for the club...." Why else say all that when it could be said directly to the player in a meeting or at the training ground? Doesn't bode particularly well for the players future here, that with the contract signing situation, perhaps Callum's already got his eyes on his next club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, CotswoldRed said: Won't play through pain, even if medical experts say its OK? A proper wilting flower. Didn't we hear similar things about Christian Ribeiro years ago? He ended up retiring at 27! Guess they know their own bodies well enough to know when to play or not. I still don't care if he leaves or not though, never really impressed me. Hopefully we make a few million on him. Perhaps O'Neill will take him at Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Thought it was very telling LJ talked so candidly about it at the presser. It was interestingly phrased = a criticism filling in a few slices of praise bread. Surely sending a message, both to the player, any potential new clubs and also to the fans. Just to plant that little seed "he won't player through the pain barrier for the club...." Why else say all that when it could be said directly to the player in a meeting or at the training ground? Doesn't bode particularly well for the players future here, that with the contract signing situation, perhaps Callum's already got his eyes on his next club. Can't see how sending this message to any potential new clubs does anything other than reduce the fee we might receive for him. Seems a very odd thing to say in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Didn't we hear similar things about Christian Ribeiro years ago? He ended up retiring at 27! Guess they know their own bodies well enough to know when to play or not. I still don't care if he leaves or not though, never really impressed me. Hopefully we make a few million on him. Perhaps O'Neill will take him at Forest. When he signed, rumoured Fee was £1.2m with £0.4m add-ons, plus 30% sell-on (profit). Was a 3+1 year deal, of which we’ve exercised the one year. If we sold him for £4m....we lose £0.8m to Oxford, so probably talking a £2m profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: When he signed, rumoured Fee was £1.2m with £0.4m add-ons, plus 30% sell-on (profit). Was a 3+1 year deal, of which we’ve exercised the one year. If we sold him for £4m....we lose £0.8m to Oxford, so probably talking a £2m profit. Enough to buy another Mo Eisa . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 21 minutes ago, Davefevs said: When he signed, rumoured Fee was £1.2m with £0.4m add-ons, plus 30% sell-on (profit). Was a 3+1 year deal, of which we’ve exercised the one year. If we sold him for £4m....we lose £0.8m to Oxford, so probably talking a £2m profit. If someone offered £3m for him i’d take it, let alone £4m! Here’s hoping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Carey 6 said: If someone offered £3m for him i’d take it, let alone £4m! Here’s hoping! I thought £4m was sensible....there are some that think £10m. Who knows though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I thought £4m was sensible....there are some that think £10m. Who knows though! £3-4 m I reckon like you say, with the usual add ons. £10m is fantasy land even by today’s prices. As someone has said already - seems strange that Lee would discuss his reticence to play through pain as it would surely detract value? Leads me to think it can only mean that a deal is already done. Won’t be sorry to see him go at all, but can only see him improving at his next club. Some players just need to move to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Riaz said: Reading between the lines, he's leaving and LJ does not like his attitude. Could be wrong tho. Massively over rated player in my opinion. Very little end product... Get a decent price for him and move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Calculus said: Can't see how sending this message to any potential new clubs does anything other than reduce the fee we might receive for him. Seems a very odd thing to say in public. Agreed, as I say, must have been calculated because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Andy082005 said: Massively over rated player in my opinion. Very little end product... Get a decent price for him and move on I slightly disagree, i think previous to the last run in the team, just before this contract talk started, he was just starting to put some really good performances together. But yeah, don’t think he’s done enough to earn a big move like Bobby Reid and co Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: This. Mind-blowing when you consider he's got a chance to give it his all in these final few games and potentially double his wages and go to the Premier League. I reckon a deal has already been done...way back in January. Just a hunch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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