Eddie Notgetinya Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 What do we do with him then? Let us go over the facts: COD Refuses initial contract and makes a counter offer BCFC agree to counter offer COD Refuses contract offer because he believed he was going to get a big move (to Leeds, Fulham or Forest) the latter of which is almost laughable. No move materialises. LJ states that he still wants COD but wants him to sign the contract before the 8th so it shows that he wants to be here. COD still not signed contract as of 8th Aug. Even if he signs his contact He’s made it obvious he doesn’t really see his future here. I’m tempted to say we should withdraw our offer and let him train with the reserves until next summer but our only real width comes from him and Eliasson. We could include Weimann and Semenyo in that last statement aswell depending on the system we play (Adelukan does not count because he’s done nothing to convince me he’s good enough and There are no other ‘proper’ wingers at the club). The head says keep him integrated in the squad for reasons already outlined as COD playing in a system which reduces the importance of his defensive responsibility could give us a fantastic player. I’ll be interested to see what LJ actually does and what everyone’s opinion is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 You go one of two ways Tell him he needs to be playing regularly and well to have teams interested in him or he's going to end up at a worse team who won't pay well next season and hope we get a good season out of him Sack him off to play in the U23's all season which is cutting off the nose to spite the face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Had a feeling he wouldn't be off by the end of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Why to me it doesn't make much sense why we let Paterson off on loan to a division rival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Atticus said: Why to me it doesn't make much sense why we let Paterson off on loan to a division rival. Yeah but he doesn’t add width, he’s a no.10 and one that I never felt had the ability to change a game, I liked Pato but I don’t think he’s good enough if we want to move upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Whilst I like COD, I really don't think his heart is here. He also (or his agent) seem to think he is better and worth more than he really is. So best to probably let him go. The problem is that nobody else thinks CoD is worth as much as he and his agent thinks he's worth, so we've had no offers. Also, BCFC clearly have a valuation of COD which is more than he's really worth too. Again, that results in no offers. COD is therefore a bit pissed off and is not giving 100%. Thus hi valuation and worth continue to diminish. Best option for COD is to sign a contract and put some effort into proving his worth. But I think he will just waste another year of his life and career running down his contract and make himself a handsome fee going on a free in a year's time. A shame really and a waste of talent, but it's his life to waste I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 He’ll sign a contract unfortunately. At least we’ll be able to get a fee for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Dont think he have a future in City. Loan to leauge one, dont think he add something to the team. A bit of Paterson he is, good sometimes but not very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brooko Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 6 hours ago, NorwichbasedWurzel said: What do we do with him then? Let us go over the facts: COD Refuses initial contract and makes a counter offer BCFC agree to counter offer COD Refuses contract offer because he believed he was going to get a big move (to Leeds, Fulham or Forest) the latter of which is almost laughable. No move materialises. LJ states that he still wants COD but wants him to sign the contract before the 8th so it shows that he wants to be here. COD still not signed contract as of 8th Aug. Even if he signs his contact He’s made it obvious he doesn’t really see his future here. I’m tempted to say we should withdraw our offer and let him train with the reserves until next summer but our only real width comes from him and Eliasson. We could include Weimann and Semenyo in that last statement aswell depending on the system we play (Adelukan does not count because he’s done nothing to convince me he’s good enough and There are no other ‘proper’ wingers at the club). The head says keep him integrated in the squad for reasons already outlined as COD playing in a system which reduces the importance of his defensive responsibility could give us a fantastic player. I’ll be interested to see what LJ actually does and what everyone’s opinion is. ‘Let’s go over the facts’ you say your facts aren’t facts - they are factitious - fact In fact the only fact we know is that he hasn’t signed - fact. LJ has had plenty to say about the situation - fact COD has said nothing - fact None of us really no what’s going on and why, many don’t care - fact I’m very bored of the inFACTuation with the COD saga and just want to see him back at his best in a red shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casualobserver Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Given the level of speculation and comment perhaps the club should give Callum the opportunity to put the record straight then - by including him in a group press conference for example (covering various aspects of the season/ new squad etc, not under a spotlight). He could then kill all this stone dead and get on with his job. (Or he could use social media to say something). It's gone on so long surely there is no benefit in remaining silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 32 minutes ago, Brooko said: ‘Let’s go over the facts’ you say your facts aren’t facts - they are factitious - fact In fact the only fact we know is that he hasn’t signed - fact. LJ has had plenty to say about the situation - fact COD has said nothing - fact None of us really no what’s going on and why, many don’t care - fact I’m very bored of the inFACTuation with the COD saga and just want to see him back at his best in a red shirt I can’t tell if you’re being factetious or factuous. Now fact off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 7 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said: Whilst I like COD, I really don't think his heart is here. He also (or his agent) seem to think he is better and worth more than he really is. So best to probably let him go. The problem is that nobody else thinks CoD is worth as much as he and his agent thinks he's worth, so we've had no offers. Also, BCFC clearly have a valuation of COD which is more than he's really worth too. Again, that results in no offers. COD is therefore a bit pissed off and is not giving 100%. Thus hi valuation and worth continue to diminish. Best option for COD is to sign a contract and put some effort into proving his worth. But I think he will just waste another year of his life and career running down his contract and make himself a handsome fee going on a free in a year's time. A shame really and a waste of talent, but it's his life to waste I suppose. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 The guy clearly has skill but it's not really working in his usual position so I would have tried him up front similar to Bobby but in the reserves first. You never know, he may be a revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Clearly Lee Johnson still values him otherwise he wouldn't have been anywhere near the team against Leeds. You'd have to presume that at the time, the team against Leeds was our strongest, in LJ's mind. I don't think this will change immediately, especially as none of the new players are in his spot. I don't think about his contract situation, the fact is he is still a Bristol City player, and having had the discipline his entire life to become a professional football player, this is surely something he takes seriously. Now the transfer window has closed, what option does Callum have, other than to knuckle down and play well? If he wants a new club in January or next Summer, then he has to play well to earn it - that's a massive positive for us! There is a very good player there, and I am pleased he is still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Would any "big" L1 clubs be an option for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 He’s a strange one because he has great technical and physical abilities to dominate a game but he seems to struggle to get involved. He’s talk, quick, great left foot but equally comfortable to cut onto his right, quote skilful and can strike the ball with power, reminds me a bit of a lanky Andros Townsend. The problem is he doesn’t seem to inject pace into the game. During the Leeds match the couple of times he got the ball on the touch line and was stood up by Dallas, who isn’t a full back by trade, he should have been running at him, twisting and turning trying to get a cross along the 6 yard box, but he took about 3 steps forward and turned back to Dasilva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brooko Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Casualobserver said: Given the level of speculation and comment perhaps the club should give Callum the opportunity to put the record straight then - by including him in a group press conference for example (covering various aspects of the season/ new squad etc, not under a spotlight). He could then kill all this stone dead and get on with his job. (Or he could use social media to say something). It's gone on so long surely there is no benefit in remaining silent. Why should Callum put the record straight? None of our business what happens off the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Dangerous territory for the player to run his contract down, one injury away from being out the game and out of contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casualobserver Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 45 minutes ago, Brooko said: Why should Callum put the record straight? None of our business what happens off the pitch. I thought you might say that. Previously I've heard LJ talk about how social media affects players, and there have been many reports of him being booed - due to the contractual situation. I've no idea if this impacts on him or his family, assuming they hear or read it. You have very robustly voiced an objection to speculation - I was merely offering up a practical solution. Of course, perhaps neither he nor his family hear anything, or read the Tweets......or OTIB so it might not be an issue. To everyone else on OTIB - This post is nothing to do with who says, shouts or types what, negative or positive. Democracy/free speech and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, reddogkev said: Clearly Lee Johnson still values him otherwise he wouldn't have been anywhere near the team against Leeds. You'd have to presume that at the time, the team against Leeds was our strongest, in LJ's mind. I don't think this will change immediately, especially as none of the new players are in his spot. I don't think about his contract situation, the fact is he is still a Bristol City player, and having had the discipline his entire life to become a professional football player, this is surely something he takes seriously. Now the transfer window has closed, what option does Callum have, other than to knuckle down and play well? If he wants a new club in January or next Summer, then he has to play well to earn it - that's a massive positive for us! There is a very good player there, and I am pleased he is still here. I agree up to a point.....no doubt CoD has significant ability but for me he doesn’t produce his best often enough. In some games at AG I barely notice him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Frustrating as he his I still like O' Dowda. His attitude has undoubtedly been suspect since he knew of interest from other clubs, but Johnson has not always used him well either fuelling a sense of frustration I'm sure. The only thing he can really do now is play as well as he can. He won't get a decent move otherwise. We can only benefit from that whilst he is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Brooko said: ‘Let’s go over the facts’ you say your facts aren’t facts - they are factitious - fact In fact the only fact we know is that he hasn’t signed - fact. LJ has had plenty to say about the situation - fact COD has said nothing - fact None of us really no what’s going on and why, many don’t care - fact I’m very bored of the inFACTuation with the COD saga and just want to see him back at his best in a red shirt You type with an Oxford accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Casualobserver said: Given the level of speculation and comment perhaps the club should give Callum the opportunity to put the record straight then - by including him in a group press conference for example (covering various aspects of the season/ new squad etc, not under a spotlight). He could then kill all this stone dead and get on with his job. (Or he could use social media to say something). It's gone on so long surely there is no benefit in remaining silent. I agree but, unfortunately, the fact he hasn't said anything suggests to me he's behaving like a little sh*t, out for himself and just interested in the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 7 hours ago, James54De said: He’ll sign a contract unfortunately. At least we’ll be able to get a fee for him. If he signs one it won’t be unfortunate. It will be good news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, RedDave said: If he signs one it won’t be unfortunate. It will be good news Not if he doesn’t really want to be here it won’t ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, Slippin cider said: Not if he doesn’t really want to be here it won’t ... It will as it will mean we get a bigger fee when he leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I'm going for the pragmatic approach here. Fact is - whether he likes or we like it - he is with us until January at the very least so, as far as I am concerned, the ball is firmly in his court. He's our player and trains with the squad. I see no reason to punish him or stick him in the reserves but he is competing with five or six other players for places. It's up to him to show whether he is going to give us his all when he gets on the pitch. If so, and he impresses in training, he gets the shirt. If not, someone else does. He is a good player when he wants to be so it comes down to whether he shows that he wants to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, RedDave said: It will as it will mean we get a bigger fee when he leaves. Very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I'm going for the pragmatic approach here. Fact is - whether he likes or we like it - he is with us until January at the very least so, as far as I am concerned, the ball is firmly in his court. He's our player and trains with the squad. I see no reason to punish him or stick him in the reserves but he is competing with five or six other players for places. It's up to him to show whether he is going to give us his all when he gets on the pitch. If so, and he impresses in training, he gets the shirt. If not, someone else does. He is a good player when he wants to be so it comes down to whether he shows that he wants to be. Agreed. He can be quite versatile and we will inevitably get injuries or simply burn out. Unlike some of the lemons in our squad, he has shown that he perform at this level. Possibly a humbling experience for him the past few months when he realises that the whisper in his ear about how great and in demand he is isn't backed up by the marketplace. Ball is in his court. I hope he takes on the challenge and performs consisrently because fans have short memories... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Until he signs there is no benefit to playing him imo. I still hold out hope someone like Rangers or Celtic or a lower Bundesliga club pick him up for 2-3m. More than we’d get in January imo and just sorts the issue out so we can move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 37 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I'm going for the pragmatic approach here. Fact is - whether he likes or we like it - he is with us until January at the very least so, as far as I am concerned, the ball is firmly in his court. He's our player and trains with the squad. I see no reason to punish him or stick him in the reserves but he is competing with five or six other players for places. It's up to him to show whether he is going to give us his all when he gets on the pitch. If so, and he impresses in training, he gets the shirt. If not, someone else does. He is a good player when he wants to be so it comes down to whether he shows that he wants to be. I think this exactly no point cutting our noses off. The only thing I would add is that we use him when it's useful but I'd give other players a slight edge over him - eg. Him and Eliasson have trained well and are in similar form etc I'd be Eliasson as he's committed longer term to the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the red rules Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, screech said: Dangerous territory for the player to run his contract down, one injury away from being out the game and out of contract. That is what worries me. He will want to impress future employers but unlikely to take any risks. Making him less of a team player + one the manager is less able to trust + an easy scapegoat for the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Loon plage said: You type with an Oxford accent. And you do put downs with a Bristolian accent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 9, 2019 Admin Share Posted August 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, the red rules said: That is what worries me. He will want to impress future employers but unlikely to take any risks. Making him less of a team player + one the manager is less able to trust + an easy scapegoat for the crowd. Should then make it a simple option for him to be dropped then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, pillred said: And you do put downs with a Bristolian accent! Ran out of likes ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Get the best out of COD... Gut, Batter, Dip In Boiling Oil for several minutes, Drain, Season with salt & vinegar … Eat Hot . (alternatively, if that doesn't appeal … get your COD to sign, get his head on straight, put on a pair of boots, Pull His Socks Up, put on a Red Shirt, Kiss the Badge (the Robins ass) and mean it.... Get out there onto the pitch and do what he does best... That's all we ask Callum.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Brooko said: ‘Let’s go over the facts’ you say your facts aren’t facts - they are factitious - fact In fact the only fact we know is that he hasn’t signed - fact. LJ has had plenty to say about the situation - fact COD has said nothing - fact None of us really no what’s going on and why, many don’t care - fact I’m very bored of the inFACTuation with the COD saga and just want to see him back at his best in a red shirt Rafa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, Loon plage said: You type with an Oxford accent. I'd say more of an older Irish bloke, hmmmmmmm!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, grifty said: He’s talk, quick, great left foot but equally comfortable to cut onto his right, I agree with everything else that you've stated but imo his right foot is just for him to stand on. He does everything he can to avoid using his right foot - and that's a shortcoming which he has failed to improve upon during his time with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 28 minutes ago, YorkshireSection said: I'd say more of an older Irish bloke, hmmmmmmm!!! Reckon you got a point there YS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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