NcnsBcfc Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I'm struggling to remember a more bizarre display of refereeing down the gate in recent times. Obviously there was the clear red card in the first half. That for he life of me I can't work out how that was only a yellow. Throughout the whole game he appeared to be in cloud cuckoo land. Either failing to let the advantage go after a foul; or not booking players for obvious card offences. After every altercation, he seemed to want to pause in order to catch up. Every booking, the play had to stop for 10 seconds to allow him to write up his notes. At times he seemed more of a social worker than a ref. Almost telling players "it would be awfully nice, if you wouldn t do that etc" Rather than actually enforce the laws of the game. Never actually seen him before, and hopefully never again. Guttless in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TammyAB Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Give me shit refs over VAR any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Normally one of the better refs in Championship IMHO Strange performance today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Whatever happened to the well established concept of the 'homer' ref (Ive been waiting for a while to use that emoji btw - a homage to @Robbored) We have had some stinkers in recent times. How does such inconsistency sit with any notion of professionalism? Bizarre today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Strange it was not. Sh1t it absolutely was. These clowns are supposed to be professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said: I'm struggling to remember a more bizarre display of refereeing down the gate in recent times. Obviously there was the clear red card in the first half. That for he life of me I can't work out how that was only a yellow. Throughout the whole game he appeared to be in cloud cuckoo land. Either failing to let the advantage go after a foul; or not booking players for obvious card offences. After every altercation, he seemed to want to pause in order to catch up. Every booking, the play had to stop for 10 seconds to allow him to write up his notes. At times he seemed more of a social worker than a ref. Almost telling players "it would be awfully nice, if you wouldn t do that etc" Rather than actually enforce the laws of the game. Never actually seen him before, and hopefully never again. Guttless in the extreme. I agree. Said to my lad that I'm glad we won / we're winning so it doesn't sound like sour grapes. Kicking somebody in the cojones is a red or it isn't a foul if he hasn't done it. If he was off then Rowe would not have had the poor reviews he has (perhaps slightly unfairly) had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just now, JamesBCFC said: We had one today according to QPR fans! yes, well...I'm looking for a clear home bias which leads directly to sendings off or scoring opportunities. And the more of that the merrier at the Gate! Sadly not in evidence today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 As said above he’s normally one of the better refs tbf. Everyone’s entitled to a bad ‘un!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, TammyAB said: Give me shit refs over VAR any day Other way around. They might learn to be better so they don't need reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Poor today but normally ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Ref was totally fallible, some of the QPR players should get Oscar nominations for their performances! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 As people are saying, this guy is one of the better up and coming officials.. What has he ****** up today in all honesty? Not a lot really. No real argument for a "the ref was shit" debate tonight Let's save that for when they really ARE crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I thought he was ok. Yes he could have given Rowe a yellow and the QPR lad a red in the first half, but he could see that Rowe was winding the other guy up, so why not let them both stay on the field? I thought he handled the immediate aftermath of Weimann attempting the hand of god quite well. My one complaint (and so many refs are guilty of this) was that he didn’t seem to care where throw-ins were taken from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: I thought he was ok. Yes he could have given Rowe a yellow and the QPR lad a red in the first half, but he could see that Rowe was winding the other guy up, so why not let them both stay on the field? I thought he handled the immediate aftermath of Weimann attempting the hand of god quite well. My one complaint (and so many refs are guilty of this) was that he didn’t seem to care where throw-ins were taken from. So let's face it. if this is our only real complaint.. he was pretty good (He isn't a relation of mine or anything btw I just liked his cool approach ie nothing to see here, let's play football beats the look at me, book everything type bloke every time for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Thought the ref was ok today . Be interesting to see what he missed on the cameras . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: As said above he’s normally one of the better refs tbf. Everyone’s entitled to a bad ‘un!! Thing is though when these Ref’s have their bad un, it’s always us that’s playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Thought ref was fine. A bit lenient at times. Didn’t send their player off but also didn’t book Palmer for throwing a fit after a foul and booting the ball away. Was not petulant about free kick and throw ins. Let the game flow well enough. Not perfect but not anywhere near the worst I have seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 His main crime for some appears to be one of leniency, which as long as it’s applied evenly is no crime at all. He also got next no help from his “assistants”, who were fairly useless. However it could have been much worse. From the Quest highlights, Trevor Kettle was having a “blinder” in League 1 this weekend, awarding penalties like it was going out of fashion. Here’s hoping that’s now his level & we don’t see him in the Championship any time soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Dr Balls said: His main crime for some appears to be one of leniency, which as long as it’s applied evenly is no crime at all. He also got next no help from his “assistants”, who were fairly useless. However it could have been much worse. From the Quest highlights, Trevor Kettle was having a “blinder” in League 1 this weekend, awarding penalties like it was going out of fashion. Here’s hoping that’s now his level & we don’t see him in the Championship any time soon! He's fourth official on Tuesday night at Derby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 8 hours ago, JoeAman08 said: Thought ref was fine. A bit lenient at times. Didn’t send their player off but also didn’t book Palmer for throwing a fit after a foul and booting the ball away. Was not petulant about free kick and throw ins. Let the game flow well enough. Not perfect but not anywhere near the worst I have seen I quite agree. If he had a flaw it was his leniency not only the examples above but when Wieman handled the ball into the net. Two offences that could/should have been a red. Deliberate handball and trying to deceive the referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Robbored said: I quite agree. If he had a flaw it was his leniency not only the examples above but when Wieman handled the ball into the net. Two offences that could/should have been a red. Deliberate handball and trying to deceive the referee. Yes forgot about that. Did fear the worst for Weimann there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Yes forgot about that. Did fear the worst for Weimann there. Why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Why ? Were you there Bob? If you were I’m surprised that you didn’t see Wieman do a Maradona and deliberately handle the ball into the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, Robbored said: Were you there Bob? If you were I’m surprised that you didn’t see Wieman do a Maradona and deliberately handle the ball into the net. I was there Do you know the rules ? (silly question in your case I know) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I was there Do you know the rules ? (silly question in your case I know) I know that deliberate hand ball and trying to deceive the referee are both red card offences. Had a defender deliberately handled the ball to prevent a goal he’d would been sent off and conceded a penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, Robbored said: I know that deliberate hand ball and trying to deceive the referee are both red card offences. Had a defender deliberately handled the ball to prevent a goal he’d would been sent off and conceded a penalty Are they Priceless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Are they Priceless Oh well..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 10 hours ago, JoeAman08 said: Let the game flow well enough. I thought this was the worst aspect of his performance. He failed to do this. Thought he was poor overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Why ? Thought trying to deceive match official and deliberate handball were red card offences. Only the case when preventing a goal I have just found out. And deception I think only applies when successful so if the goal had counted possibly retrospectively banned but have only seen those for dives. Still think it was a silly move on Weimanns part 1 hour ago, Robbored said: I know that deliberate hand ball and trying to deceive the referee are both red card offences. Had a defender deliberately handled the ball to prevent a goal he’d would been sent off and conceded a penalty See above 3 minutes ago, RedSkin said: I thought this was the worst aspect of his performance. He failed to do this. Thought he was poor overall. 22 fouls yesterday. 11 for each side. One of the lowest or even lowest amounts called yesterday in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyhutchscurlymullet Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 10 hours ago, Dr Balls said: His main crime for some appears to be one of leniency, which as long as it’s applied evenly is no crime at all. He also got next no help from his “assistants”, who were fairly useless. However it could have been much worse. From the Quest highlights, Trevor Kettle was having a “blinder” in League 1 this weekend, awarding penalties like it was going out of fashion. Here’s hoping that’s now his level & we don’t see him in the Championship any time soon! Kettle been about for years. Just seen him hand out the penalties yesterday. Think he gave 4 pens in the Gills v newport game in midweek. 7 in 2 games, impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: 22 fouls yesterday. 11 for each side. One of the lowest or even lowest amounts called yesterday in the championship. We obviously disagree, but a low number of number of fouls doesn't necessarily prove things either way. Maybe both teams just came to play football? I just think on a number of occasions, we have managed to get free and had an advantage and he called back play for a foul. Players seem frustrated with it too. Thought he was poor but not atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 15 hours ago, Red Exile said: Whatever happened to the well established concept of the 'homer' ref (Ive been waiting for a while to use that emoji btw - a homage to @Robbored) We have had some stinkers in recent times. How does such inconsistency sit with any notion of professionalism? Bizarre today. We get a lot of homer refs.... When we're away! In truth I didn't think today's ref was too bad. He was prepared to let it be a man's game, as opposed to some of girls who ref in the Premiership. As for the 'red card' incident I'm not too sure how much he saw of it, or how much help or hindrance he got from the lino (supposedly an asst ref) or fourth official. You could argue they got away with one, as we did at Brum when Hunt should definitely have gone for an horrendous challenge. They don't necessarily cancel each other out as they're different games, but no harm done as we got the win yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 15 hours ago, ncnsbcfc said: I'm struggling to remember a more bizarre display of refereeing down the gate in recent times. Obviously there was the clear red card in the first half. That for he life of me I can't work out how that was only a yellow. Throughout the whole game he appeared to be in cloud cuckoo land. Either failing to let the advantage go after a foul; or not booking players for obvious card offences. After every altercation, he seemed to want to pause in order to catch up. Every booking, the play had to stop for 10 seconds to allow him to write up his notes. At times he seemed more of a social worker than a ref. Almost telling players "it would be awfully nice, if you wouldn t do that etc" Rather than actually enforce the laws of the game. Never actually seen him before, and hopefully never again. Guttless in the extreme. Utter ***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 11 hours ago, JoeAman08 said: Thought ref was fine. A bit lenient at times. Didn’t send their player off but also didn’t book Palmer for throwing a fit after a foul and booting the ball away. Was not petulant about free kick and throw ins. Let the game flow well enough. Not perfect but not anywhere near the worst I have seen I thought he was good. As you say, the Palmer one was a clear yellow (although Palmer had a point...). The bizarre one was where he waited an age to kickoff after the first goal. I've read afterwards that he was waiting for the flare to burn out so good referring but seemed odd at the time. Also, 3 minutes extra time? Very low number but as I say, a good referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 12 hours ago, JoeAman08 said: Thought ref was fine. A bit lenient at times. Didn’t send their player off but also didn’t book Palmer for throwing a fit after a foul and booting the ball away. Was not petulant about free kick and throw ins. Let the game flow well enough. Not perfect but not anywhere near the worst I have seen I was about to post exactly this. I thought he was pretty good. He pulled back a couple where he could have played advantage (one in the second half over by the Lansdown was especially odd, as he seemed to have let it go and only when our player was running with the ball did he blow and give us a free kick). But they were very much the exception. Many other refs would have sent off the QPR player just before half time, and quite possibly ruined the game as a result. It was handbags, no really harm done, and a yellow was sensible. Similarly, he was lenient with Palmer's kick away, which was just frustration, less so with the QPR player who deliberately threw the ball away to stop us taking a quick throw. You can criticise for 'inconsistency' (both were the same 'offence') but he was just showing common sense to me. The frustration is that you just know that sometime in the next few weeks we'll have a player do exactly what the QPR player did and we'll have Scott Duncan, and it will be a straight red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 He was coned by the QPR players which he didn't seem to see and I am not sure he saw the sending off offence and got little help from his linesman who was stood very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Chivs said: I thought he was good. As you say, the Palmer one was a clear yellow (although Palmer had a point...). The bizarre one was where he waited an age to kickoff after the first goal. I've read afterwards that he was waiting for the flare to burn out so good referring but seemed odd at the time. Also, 3 minutes extra time? Very low number but as I say, a good referee. I was expecting five as a minimum, possibly six - without anything else, Benik`s goal celebration took at least a minute and a half. I wonder, given all the shenanigans in first half added time, he thought he`d added too much then and made up for it at the end of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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