old_eastender Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 From what I've read does not sound like Nagy fully fit and Afobe can't play, so... Bentley Hunt, Moore, Baker, Rowe Massengo, Brownhill, Eliasson, Palmer Fammy, Wiemann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, old_eastender said: From what I've read does not sound like Nagy fully fit and Afobe can't play, so... Bentley Hunt, Moore, Baker, Rowe Massengo, Brownhill, Eliasson, Palmer Fammy, Wiemann That’s about right I reckon. LJ might start Semenyo ahead of Famara ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97Red Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 I can see LJ going with this, but with obviously Palmer on the left and Eliasson on the right. I'd still like to see us revert to a back 3 though if possible, Boro cut through us a number of times with the back 4 before the international break. Albeit I think we could all see they are a good side, that have had a bit of a slow start, they've got a lot of players that can hurt you. However, we just look that extra bit solid with a back 3, but this obviously does depend on whether LJ thinks Williams is ready for a starting spot. Bentley Moore Williams Baker Hunt Massengo Brownhill Rowe Palmer Weimann Diedhiou Playing 3 at the back also allows us to get Palmer in his best position IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, old_eastender said: From what I've read does not sound like Nagy fully fit and Afobe can't play, so... Bentley Hunt, Moore, Baker, Rowe Massengo, Brownhill, Eliasson, Palmer Fammy, Wiemann With a fit Nagy and an eligible Afobe I'd be really confident. I agree with your line up, but it'll be a close game I think. Can Massengo do it on a mild Saturday in Stoke...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 I reckon I'd risk Williams mind. Bentley Moore Williams Baker Pereira Brownhill Massengo Rowe Palmer Weimann Diedhiou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC OF SWEDEN Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 MOTM from last game must play! I mean dont forget Eliasson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamalagerdrinker Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Bentley Moore Williams Baker Hunt Brownhill Massengo Rowe Palmer Weimann Semenyo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 It's hard to pick the team right now. 4-4-2 means having Palmer out wide unless you drop him for O'Dowda Bentley Hunt Moore Baker Rowe Eliasson Brownhill Massengo Palmer Weimann Diedihou 3-5-2 means no Eliasson Bentley Moore Williams Baker Hunt Brownhill Massengo Rowe Palmer Weimann Diedhiou Perhaps to get our best players all on the field in their proper positions right now it's 4-4-1-1? Bentley Hunt Moore Baker Rowe Eliasson Brownhill Massengo O'Dowda Palmer Weimann I actually prefer Pereira over Hunt, but I think LJ will pick Hunt because of the too much inexperience comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Bentley Hunt moore williams baker Rowe Eliasson messengo Brownhill Palmer Weimann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, Prinny said: It's hard to pick the team right now. 4-4-2 means having Palmer out wide unless you drop him for O'Dowda Bentley Hunt Moore Baker Rowe Eliasson Brownhill Massengo Palmer Weimann Diedihou 3-5-2 means no Eliasson Bentley Moore Williams Baker Hunt Brownhill Massengo Rowe Palmer Weimann Diedhiou Perhaps to get our best players all on the field in their proper positions right now it's 4-4-1-1? Bentley Hunt Moore Baker Rowe Eliasson Brownhill Massengo O'Dowda Palmer Weimann I actually prefer Pereira over Hunt, but I think LJ will pick Hunt because of the too much inexperience comments. I would of agreed before i saw Pereira in the under 21 game , he was so woeful defensively! Makes me think he needs more time to adapt to this league . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathandao Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Bentley Hunt Moore Williams Baker Rowe Eliasson Massengo Brownhill Palmer Weimann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Am I the only person who thinks that Massengo isn’t ready for the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Start Semenyo. Give him a go let him run at a defence lacking in confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Am I the only person who thinks that Massengo isn’t ready for the first team? No I think there is a lot to learn defensively and with everyone fit would be backup to Nagy and Brownhill. But he is the player with the most potential in the squad, that is undeniable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Am I the only person who thinks that Massengo isn’t ready for the first team? IMO he is definitely ready for being involved in the first team. But not to start every game. Pretty sure he wouldn’t of started as many games if the injuries didn’t occur. But for such an inexperienced player he has more than stepped up and our results back that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Bit of a strange one but I wonder if this would work: Bentley Moore Williams Baker Hunt. Brownhill Massengo O'Dowda Palmer Eliasson Weimann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Robbored said: That’s about right I reckon. LJ might start Semenyo ahead of Famara ........ Semenayo not yet ready for Championship football..imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Semenayo not yet ready for Championship football..imo. It’s LJs opinion that matters..............and he should know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 5 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Am I the only person who thinks that Massengo isn’t ready for the first team? Possibly! I think we just need to be mindful of the fact that he played 3.5 league games in a short space of time since arriving, in a very physical league. There have been more than enough positive things from him whether he’s 18 or 28, or 3 games into his time here or 103. He’s more than held his own, but I did think Boro stamped on him and he was also a little fatigued as the game went on. International break at the right time....and hopefully not extended too much by France u19s in that period. Think Nagy will be another week away, and I wouldn’t rush him either. I get that Eliasson was good v Boro, but I think the 5212 with Ashley Williams coming in to help guide Taylor Moore through would be what I’d do. Get that central core nice and compact again....3 CBs shielded by 2 CMs. Moore_______Williams_______Baker _____Brownhill_____Massengo_____ And means we can keep Palmer central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Possibly! I think we just need to be mindful of the fact that he played 3.5 league games in a short space of time since arriving, in a very physical league. There have been more than enough positive things from him whether he’s 18 or 28, or 3 games into his time here or 103. He’s more than held his own, but I did think Boro stamped on him and he was also a little fatigued as the game went on. International break at the right time....and hopefully not extended too much by France u19s in that period. Think Nagy will be another week away, and I wouldn’t rush him either. I get that Eliasson was good v Boro, but I think the 5212 with Ashley Williams coming in to help guide Taylor Moore through would be what I’d do. Get that central core nice and compact again....3 CBs shielded by 2 CMs. Moore_______Williams_______Baker _____Brownhill_____Massengo_____ And means we can keep Palmer central. Williams has to play , will certainly have a point to prove. If Massengo needs a break could look at O’Dowda central alongside Brownhill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Semenyo and 10 others. Keep Fammy on the bench, champing at the bit, to bring on later if it doesn't work or the youngster tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Massengo looked fantastic to me against Boro. Not sure why he needs to be dropped or rested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Massengo looked fantastic to me against Boro. Not sure why he needs to be dropped or rested? Offered nothing except winning 5 fouls. Didn't have 1 interception, clearance or tackle, and it was the same story going forward. I feel like we watched two very different games. It was clear that he was the most talented on the pitch and had the most potential, but breaking it down he actually offered very little. Nagy, Brownhill and Palmer for me with Massengo to come on late for his superb ball retention skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, daored said: Williams has to play , will certainly have a point to prove. If Massengo needs a break could look at O’Dowda central alongside Brownhill Massengo livens up the midfield they all run scared of him cant leave him out especially without Naggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 minute ago, RobintheRed Red said: Massengo livens up the midfield they all run scared of him cant leave him out especially without Naggy. Agree he should play , just replying to @Davefevs post about potential fatigued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, daored said: Agree he should play , just replying to @Davefevs post about potential fatigued Yes fair comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, marcofisher said: Offered nothing except winning 5 fouls. Didn't have 1 interception, clearance or tackle, and it was the same story going forward. I feel like we watched two very different games. It was clear that he was the most talented on the pitch and had the most potential, but breaking it down he actually offered very little. Nagy, Brownhill and Palmer for me with Massengo to come on late for his superb ball retention skills. I thought he was much quieter v Boro too. Wasn’t bad, but nowhere near as good as Derby or Hull (Derby especially). But I think it was a funny game too, where neither midfield controlled the game....the game seemed to be played in each team’s final third, whereas most games seem to be played out in the middle third. Teams will do their homework on both Massengo and Nagy, but (early days I know) I think both have football intelligence to know how to get around this. On the Hull game, Massengo was pressed from minute one and rushed a bit. By the second half he just sucked players in and played first time or let his teammates bypass him. There was one bit in second half where someone played a firm pass. You could see 3 players ready to pounce, even on a good touch....instead, Massengo just dummied the ball, leaving them looking a bit stupid. We do have to allow players off-games or at least less effective games. The “he’s a 7/10 every week” is unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, marcofisher said: Offered nothing except winning 5 fouls. Didn't have 1 interception, clearance or tackle, and it was the same story going forward. I feel like we watched two very different games. It was clear that he was the most talented on the pitch and had the most potential, but breaking it down he actually offered very little. Nagy, Brownhill and Palmer for me with Massengo to come on late for his superb ball retention skills. Thought he was sharp onto the opposition every time they had it. Was noticeably poorer when he went off injured and we lost the midfield battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Wouldn’t be surprised to see O’dowda start after today’s news and new contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Thought he was sharp onto the opposition every time they had it. Was noticeably poorer when he went off injured and we lost the midfield battle. A fair analysis. However, who would you replace or would you leave Nagy on the bench even if he is fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, marcofisher said: A fair analysis. However, who would you replace or would you leave Nagy on the bench even if he is fit? We then have genuine rotation / rest options, with formation options too. Long old season and we aren’t getting much luck with injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 9 hours ago, Shtanley said: I reckon I'd risk Williams mind. Bentley Moore Williams Baker Pereira Brownhill Massengo Rowe Palmer Weimann Diedhiou This for me. We were too open v Boro. Palmer is better centrally. Gives Diedhiou support (at last) from Weimann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, INCRED said: Wouldn’t be surprised to see O’dowda start after today’s news and new contract Think we will need battlers saturday mate they are due a home win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandwhitescarf Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 hours ago, daored said: Williams has to play , will certainly have a point to prove. If Massengo needs a break could look at O’Dowda central alongside Brownhill Think both Williams & O’Dowda will play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 I'd like to see (fitness permitting); Bentley Moore Williams Baker Hunt Brownhill Nagy Rowe Palmer Weimann Semenyo Massengo if Nagy not fit. Seen enough of Diedhiou, time to give Semenyo a run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 10 hours ago, bcfc01 said: I'd like to see (fitness permitting); Bentley Moore Williams Baker Hunt Brownhill Nagy Rowe Palmer Weimann Semenyo Massengo if Nagy not fit. Seen enough of Diedhiou, time to give Semenyo a run out. I just wonder with Szmodics playing in the u23s with Palmer on Monday and Macca referring to him yesterday in the pre-match presser, whether we might see a 2 behind Weimann (5221) at some point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: I just wonder with Szmodics playing in the u23s with Palmer on Monday and Macca referring to him yesterday in the pre-match presser, whether we might see a 2 behind Weimann (5221) at some point? I picked up on that as well but couldn't see how he would fit him in as I don't see him as a striker, but you may have cracked it there. Bentley Moore Williams Baker Hunt Brownhill Nagy Rowe Palmer Szmodics Weimann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I just wonder with Szmodics playing in the u23s with Palmer on Monday and Macca referring to him yesterday in the pre-match presser, whether we might see a 2 behind Weimann (5221) at some point? I did read in somebody’s report (think McGregor) that LJ wanted to see how they would link up. But apparently they didn’t really click together at all. So would be surprised to see them both being given the green light tomorrow if they didn’t look up to much playing together in an U23 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otib118 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Bentley Moore Williams Baker Pereira Brownhill Rowe O’Dowda Eliasson Palmer Weimann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 20 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Am I the only person who thinks that Massengo isn’t ready for the first team? Def a case for leaving him out in some away games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I think Williams will start this one. And O'Dowda should be in the team, now he's signed his new deal it's time to see if he can become a quality, hard-working first teamer. I'd leave Elliason on the bench for tomorrow. He would be lovely to bring on with 15 mins left and see him whip in some of his quality crosses. I'm looking forward to seeing who LJ plays in his attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Regardless if he starts or not, I really want Semenyo to get a goal for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 22 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Am I the only person who thinks that Massengo isn’t ready for the first team? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Is Kalas still injured then? I fear for us if Williams starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrislingtonRed94 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Have decided last minute to make the trip up, has anyone got any spare tickets?£ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 If Diedhiou starts, we must play to his strengths and thats putting high quality crosses into box for him to attack with his bonce. It’s vital that Eliasson plays if Diedhiou is in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Pace, power and pressing should disrupt a shaky Stoke defence. Of all the permutations offered up in this thread I like this the most. It has a tidy and subtly powerful midfield pairing and lethal pace and trickery on both flanks. Massengo, Brownhill, Weimann and the back four all have the required workrate and Palmer can provide some power in the middle. My only change might be to bench Palmer for Diedhiou/Semenyo - with a view to really pressing their CBs in the first half, really trying to force an error and get Butland under some early pressure from a defence that is prone to errors. On 12/09/2019 at 06:19, Prinny said: Perhaps to get our best players all on the field in their proper positions right now it's 4-4-1-1? Bentley Hunt Moore Baker Rowe Eliasson Brownhill Massengo O'Dowda Palmer Weimann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: My only change might be to bench Palmer for Diedhiou/Semenyo Now yous'e gone and spoiled it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Now yous'e gone and spoiled it.... Yes. Yes I know. Trouble is I think a number of formations and player combinations will work against Stoke. Not to underestimate them but genuinely I think there are a few ways to get at them. Diedhiou as a battering ram with COD and Eliasson sending balls into the box and Weimann buzzing around is one option. Another is Palmer as a ten behind one or two strikers. Another again that I think I saw someone suggest was playing O'Dowda, Weimann and Eliasson as a budget Salah, Mane and Firmino in a 433. In the end I expect LJ sill surprise us all tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Tipps69 said: Is Kalas still injured then? I fear for us if Williams starts. Think you are going to be very disappointed when you find out for how long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 13, 2019 Admin Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Tipps69 said: Is Kalas still injured then? I fear for us if Williams starts. No reason to change the defence that played against Boro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, phantom said: No reason to change the defence that played against Boro We looked dodgy at the back I thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 20 hours ago, marcofisher said: A fair analysis. However, who would you replace or would you leave Nagy on the bench even if he is fit? That's a very difficult one. Im even struggling to pick a team when Nagy is unavailable with the Eliasson and Palmer problem or should I say 'good problem to have'. I still have not seen enough of Nagy or Massengo to tell really. I really liked Massengo more advanced when he was getting in the box when he came on for injured Nagy. He seemed more like a Gerrard, Lampard or Alli type of midfielder who makes well timed runs into the box, rather than Palmer type who has a completely different skill set. He wasn't actually more advanced in that 45 minutes in his role. He was mainly very disciplined. But he seemed very dangerous going forward the few times he went for it. It really is amazing how strong we are now that we are debating about do we pick Massengo or how to play Eliasson - as I predict going back to 352 tomorrow. At least we know we will have at least a couple of top quality subs to come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 On 12/09/2019 at 12:47, miketh2nd said: Bentley Hunt moore williams baker Rowe Eliasson messengo Brownhill Palmer Weimann Not bad, but I'd have Bentley more central :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 There is an argument if Diedhiou starts then Palmer is not the ideal player to play behind him. Last season it never looked good. I know Weimann will be up there with Fam, which might make all the difference. But Fam needs runners, which Palmer isn't. Could we for this one game without Afobe play Massengo more advanced? In behind Fam and Weimann in a 352. Nagy and Brownhill holding. Get runners into the box whilst Fam occupies defenders. But then we have the problem of the exceptional Eliasson not starting. It's so hard to pick a team right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, JonDolman said: There is an argument if Diedhiou starts then Palmer is not the ideal player to play behind him. Last season it never looked good. I know Weimann will be up there with Fam, which might make all the difference. But Fam needs runners, which Palmer isn't. Could we for this one game without Afobe play Massengo more advanced? In behind Fam and Weimann in a 352. Nagy and Brownhill holding. Get runners into the box whilst Fam occupies defenders. But then we have the problem of the exceptional Eliasson not starting. It's so hard to pick a team right now. This was possibly why LJ looked at Szmodics as a false 9 in the U23s. By all accounts it didn't quite work out. Maybe Semenyo in front of Palmer? But then can you fit Weimann in? Great problems to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: This was possibly why LJ looked at Szmodics as a false 9 in the U23s. By all accounts it didn't quite work out. Maybe Semenyo in front of Palmer? But then can you fit Weimann in? Great problems to have. Szmodics played up front in the U23s against Barnsley in the game before at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 4 hours ago, JonDolman said: There is an argument if Diedhiou starts then Palmer is not the ideal player to play behind him. Last season it never looked good. I know Weimann will be up there with Fam, which might make all the difference. But Fam needs runners, which Palmer isn't. Could we for this one game without Afobe play Massengo more advanced? In behind Fam and Weimann in a 352. Nagy and Brownhill holding. Get runners into the box whilst Fam occupies defenders. But then we have the problem of the exceptional Eliasson not starting. It's so hard to pick a team right now. And where could O'Dowda fit in? Or should he not be considered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: And where could O'Dowda fit in? Or should he not be considered? I have said all season since Dasilva got injured that O'Dowda should play left wing back. He went to left back against Boro and Rowe moved into midfield and O'Dowda looked very comfortable. I like Rowe, but I think O'Dowda has a lot more than him in that position. So I'd play O'Dowda left wing back in a 352. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1984 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I feel there is a case for fam to play up top on his own. Think he played his best football away from the gate last year given the different tactical approach often taken as the away team. He should also be itching to get a chance. Not saying I would go with one up top nor am I against it if it's thought to be the best approach. just chucking it in the mix as an option I've not seen mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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