Markman Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 well - I had £20 on Max to win so I thought it was a very satisfactory outcome (for me anyway) (I did watch it and thought Lewis still had it in the bag but duffed his re-overtaking chance) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsene's Wanger Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said: I'm not sure you can take the title back off Max, he's not at fault its basically the FIA that needs their teeth pulled, they ruined what would have been a great race by fixing it for Redbull. Massi in my opinion needs to be removed for next season and Mercedes compensated. Why not? I agree it's not his fault, but they arbitrarily changed the rules on the last lap at the request of the team he drives for. They essentially took away Hamilton's title when he is not at fault. Why can you take the title from one but not the other? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsene's Wanger Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 hours ago, TomF said: Like you say its not Max/Red Bulls fault as such although would Masi have let them race if Horner wasn't in his ear constantly? Lewis may well have retired if he won yesterday It absolutely is RB's fault, they requested the situation over the team radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 39 minutes ago, Arsene's Wanger said: It absolutely is RB's fault, they requested the situation over the team radio. Who shouldn't they? Any team would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsene's Wanger Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Super said: Who shouldn't they? Any team would. Ethics perhaps? Sporting integrity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Masi after the 2020 Eifel GP regarding the prolonged safety car on track: "There is a requirement in the sporting regulations to let ALL lapped cars through." But apparently that requirement went out the window yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Has Lewis nailed Bernie Ecclestons wife or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 48 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Masi after the 2020 Eifel GP regarding the prolonged safety car on track: "There is a requirement in the sporting regulations to let ALL lapped cars through." But apparently that requirement went out the window yesterday. Shit I agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said: Shit I agree with you. About time you got something right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: About time you got something right https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-race-director-masi-explains-norris-f1-eifel-gp-safety-car-decision-4978255/4978255/ It's verifiable as well, Massi has to be toast right ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Arsene's Wanger said: Ethics perhaps? Sporting integrity? And even if that argument can be waved at others in the same position, it somewhat reduces sympathy for them if it was overturned! Can’t believe many would be thinking “poor innocent Max/Christian/Red Bull, they’ve been robbed.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-race-director-masi-explains-norris-f1-eifel-gp-safety-car-decision-4978255/4978255/ It's verifiable as well, Massi has to be toast right ? Hopefully he goes after all this. He red flagged Baku as well so it would end under race conditions rather than a safety car, so no reason he couldn't have done the same here if that was the motivation. Admittedly that was a faster section of track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Arsene's Wanger said: Ethics perhaps? Sporting integrity? Like Toto earlier in the race telling Masi not to yellow flag something so Max wouldn't be right behind Lewis? They're both as bad as each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-race-director-masi-explains-norris-f1-eifel-gp-safety-car-decision-4978255/4978255/ It's verifiable as well, Massi has to be toast right ? Imagine what the Mercedes lawyers will do with that? I see litigation after litigation here. Maybe as @TonyTonyTony suggested 'dual' World Champions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Like Toto earlier in the race telling Masi not to yellow flag something so Max wouldn't be right behind Lewis? They're both as bad as each other Agree, but therefore no sympathy if overturned. 6 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: Maybe as @TonyTonyTony suggested 'dual' World Champions? Think problem is that probably comes from the race result being voided, in which case Red Bull say “fine, Max is World Champion on most wins”, to which Mercedes say “we were winning that race comfortably, so shouldn’t be voided”. Can see it going to Court of Arbitration and hope it does, less for who wins 2021 season as feels hollow all round now, more to sort this cluster out for future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsene's Wanger Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: Imagine what the Mercedes lawyers will do with that? I see litigation after litigation here. Maybe as @TonyTonyTony suggested 'dual' World Champions? I too can see that happening. I want to see them both back at the track, 10 laps on supersofts, no limit on DRS. Winner takes all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Arsene's Wanger said: I too can see that happening. I want to see them both back at the track, 10 laps on supersofts, no limit on DRS. Winner takes all. Cue a trademark MV divebomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Arsene's Wanger said: I too can see that happening. I want to see them both back at the track, 10 laps on supersofts, no limit on DRS. Winner takes all. Horner is too snide for that to happen, he wasn’t exactly gracious in victory yesterday even knowing it had been handed on a plate. F1 now has a serious problem, it’s alienated it’s core support and if it backtracks it’ll alienate its new support. So the least worst option i guess is to keep Max as champion. But the very least they need to do is acknowledge how unsatisfactory it is and the role they’ve played in it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted December 13, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 55 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Cue a trademark MV divebomb You’re as much of a troll as you accuse others of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Arsene's Wanger said: I too can see that happening. I want to see them both back at the track, 10 laps on supersofts, no limit on DRS. Winner takes all. Only 1 winner if that happens, given the performance of the 2 camps yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsene's Wanger Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 6 hours ago, TomF said: I think that's his age/maturity and probably also remember what it was like to win it first time himself. He's certainly moved on from the days when Nico won it. The only good thing to come out of this farce is how dignified Hamilton has been. He's handled a situation where 99% of us would have exploded with rage, really well. He's actually come across as the real winner in all of this when you consider how RB were wildly celebrating what the rest of the world could see was a hollow victory. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Arsene's Wanger said: The only good thing to come out of this farce is how dignified Hamilton has been. He's handled a situation where 99% of us would have exploded with rage, really well. He's actually come across as the real winner in all of this when you consider how RB were wildly celebrating what the rest of the world could see was a hollow victory. OR 3 line whip pending legal challenges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 Yeah Hamilton’s response was so mature, there’s not a chance that I could have responded like that. An absolute gent in that regard on Sunday. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 Sir Lewis Hamilton. Very deserved F1 legend 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 On 14/12/2021 at 03:12, nebristolred said: Yeah Hamilton’s response was so mature, there’s not a chance that I could have responded like that. An absolute gent in that regard on Sunday. Absolutely, he did the press etc and showed huge composure and dignity, top man . I’d have been boiling mad ,and he probably was ,but handled it better than I could’ve done ..fair play to him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 Does anyone know if they plan to appeal by tomorrow or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, Rob k said: Does anyone know if they plan to appeal by tomorrow or not? Looks like they have decided not https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/formula1/f1-news-live-hamilton-verstappen-mercedes-b1976365.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 Arise Sir Lewis …. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) Apparently Mercedes F1 and Formula E teams have boycotted the prize giving photos in Paris so they’re still mad about it If they withdraw their protests that shouldn’t let the FIA off the hook but i fear it might, it already seems to be in the too difficult to resolve pile as most commentators seem to have moved onto Max being champion being good for the sport but completely leaving out how it came about Edited December 15, 2021 by East Londoner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 I’d like Mercedes to push this all the way to CAS, but to be honest I don’t see an outcome that awards the race to Hamilton for being in the lead of the penultimate lap. I can see a scenario of the race result being made null and void, but obviously that still ends up with Verstappen being champion on race wins. I think Sunday’s result being stricken from the records and the end of Masi is the best possible outcome unfortunately. We may even see a rule change that says if there is a Safety Car with less than 5/10 laps remaining you Red Flag the race, allow everyone to change tyres and have a restart. Had that happened Sunday it would still have been unfair on Hamilton and given Verstappen a chance he didn’t deserve, but had he taken it, or Hamilton had messed up, then, fair enough, that’s sport, shit happens. What did happen however isn’t sport. At best, it’s WWE, at worst it’s nothing more than a ******* fix. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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